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Od kada igram ovu igru , a ima više od tri godine, nije se desilo da eSrbija i eGrčka ne budu na suprotnim stranama što mi nije baš drago jer sam u SŽ grkofil. Koliko god se mi busali u stilu da je ovo samo igra i da SŽ ne treba mešati ipak to nije u potpunosti tačno. Uvek me je interesovalo kako ovo stanje između nas i grka može biti prevaziđeno A DA SE NE UGROZE INTERESI NAŠIH SAVEZNIKA. Mnoge stvari vezane za tu državu su mi drage, od istorijskog nasleđa, preko njihove kuhinje pa sve do divnog mora sa fantastičnim plažama. Godinama sam letovao, a i poslovno odllazio tamo, upoznavao mnogo Grka pri čemu ta poznanstva i dalje traju, saznavao sve više i skromno mogu reći da imam mnoga saznanja nama interesantna kojima će se mnogi iznenaditi.
Kada je njihov odnos prema nama u pitanju potrebno je da znate jednu veom bitnu stvar, a to je da se i sami Grci dele na južne i severne sa izraženim rivalitetom. Nama su naklonjeni većinski severni Grci ,a Saloniki ( Grci ne vole izraz Solun jer je to bugarski naziv, a dobio ga je kada su ih Bugari napali ) vodeći grad i veliki rival Atini. Južni Grci, na čelu sa Atinom su nam daleko manje naklonjeni uglavnom zbog velikog uticaja Engleza. Neka nepisana linija razgraničenja je grad Larisa. U razgovoru sa jednom devojkom koja je studirala na Atinskom univerzitetu, saznao sam da je njihovo istraživanje pokazalo da su većinski Grci rekli da im je , recimo Hrvatska veći prijatelj od nas, a sve zbog disbalansa u broju stanovnika sever-jug a u korist juga. Setite se zviždanja našim košarkašima u Atini, gde se niko iz tog grada nije izvinio za razliku od gradonačelnika Salonikija koji je to učinio već sledeći dan. Takođe, za vreme bombardovanja Srbije zbio se događaj na Krfu kada je hteo da pristane američki ratni brod u luku a tamo ih masovno dočekali stanovnici na čelu sa gradonačelnikom i ulupali čime su stigli, tako da su ovi morali da se pomere, a gde drugo, negu nešto južnije.
Veliko opterećenje kada su naši eRep odnosi u pitanju predstavlja, SŽ problem na relaciji Skopje-Atina. Uglavnom , svi znate da se radi o nazivu i znamenjima našeg južnog suseda. Mišljenja sam za poboljšanje odnosa na relaciji Beograd-Atina itekako ima uticaj Skopje mada nije jedini . Možda ne bi bilo loše sondirati javno mnjenje u sve tri edržave i saznati koji je to potreban minimum kako bi se eventualno prevazišle trzavice pod uslovom da ima ISTINSKE ŽELJE za zbližavanjem. Ako te želje nema, ma koliko to meni teško palo, idemo kao i do sada, a ako ima onda treba sesti i porazgovarati ,te naći kompromis a da NE UGROŽAVAMO saveznika. Koliko god to zvučalo nemoguće mislim da se ipak može doći do kompromisa a da Beograd, Skopje i Atina budu minimalno nezadovoljni rešenjem , jer složićete se da su u ovom trenutku stavovi vemo različiti. Postoji još jedan problem na koji sam natrčao igrajući eRep koji me je veoma iznenadio. Još uvek nisam siguran da li je to samo sporadično ili generalno mišljenje, ali radi se o tome da Grci u taj eventualni savez tvrdoglavo guraju nikog drugog do Tursku smatrajući da su im odnosi fantastični i sa mišljenjem da su im oni dobri saveznici. Eto, iznenađenjima nigde kraja.
Možda bi naša diplomatija mogla da poradi na iznalaženju kompromisa na relaciji Skopje-Atina ako smatraju za shodno i potrebno jer nas mnogo više stvari veže nego što nas razdvaja. Mislim na sve tri države. Ukoliko se odluče na takav korak rado ću pomoći u tom projektu sa svim svojim znanjem. Svestan sam da bi to bio proces i da ovaj problem nije moguće rešiti odmah, zato pozivam sve na pribranost i odmerenost u svojim izjavama i komentarima kada su ove stvari u pitanju jer i najmanja glupost može ugroziti svako trud, a na kraju tog puta ko zna, možda se I Beograd i Skopje i Atina pozitivno iznenade rešenjem.
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Nema kompromisa na relaciji Skopje-Atina, a i RL ne treba mesati u EL sem u eSrbiji : D
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opet se ne ko usro hahahaha
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Τι λέει ρε παιδιά???
da ti kazem nesto nema izrazenog rivaliteta izmedju severa i juga (ako izuzmemo huligane) cak Atnjani postuju Solunce i kazu da su ljudi jako dobri ljudi i da imaju dusu za razliku od njih jedino se sale sa njihovim tvrdim L u jeziku. Zivim u Atini i vrlo dobro znam jer komuniciram sa ljudima a kakvo je stanje u Solunu to ne znam jer samo prolazim tamo kad idem u Srbiju.
Sa hrvatima su bliski jer su narod koji zivi od mora i turizma itd,itd
Clanak ti je cista PROPAGANDA u eRepublik stilu
Polemidakis
potentially better relations between BELGRADE-SKOPJE-ATHENS
blah blah "brothers" .... in rl and in the game serbs only betrayed Greece , the example or recognizing first of all a so called "republic of macedonia" despite the problems we have with them is characteristic
the serbs in erep were the biggest suporters of the entrance of this country in the game with that name , greeks on the other hand voted for serbian kossovo in the poll .... who forgets the shouts and the swearing at greeks from serbs about the issue ? well some might but most not
if there is a greek serbian "brotherhood" you have betrayed it big time so spare us with the propaganda articles .... so stay with your "macedonian bros"
aristomaxos
tnx for your opinion.
aint an opinion its the truth .... you can publish as many articles you want but thats the only truth , greeks when needed supported serbs for rl reasons but received back only betrayal
ok tnx for your truth.
and thessaloniki aint an bulgarian name , thessaloniki was the sister of alexander the great , her name comes from the greek words thessalia and niki which means victory , it means victory over the thessalians ... bulgarians didnt exist back then neither slavs
damn ignorant propagantists read some history before you open your mouths
I wrote SOLUN is bulgarian name for Thessaloniki and Greeks do not like when someone Thessaloniki call SOLUN.
there is no SOLUN , GOT IT ?
Ono sto Grci ne mogu da shvate a to je da su makedonci nasa braca slicnog mentaliteta ako ne i istog. Meni licno su Grci dragi iz nekoliko razloga. Nisu priznali Kosovo, navijacko bratstvo(iako sam grobar, ne mogu da zaboravim kad su uneli transparent Kosovi je Srbija na Stamford bridz). Za vreme bombardovanja Srbije nisu dozvolili da ratni avioni polecu sa njihovih aerodroma...
Greeks and macedonians are my brothers ! orthodox brothers forever !
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If i understood you correctly (i'm using google translation) you claim that there is a rivalry between northern and southern Greeks and that northern Greeks for some reason like you more than the southern.
I was born in Thessaloniki but for most of my years i live in Athens and i can assure you that this isn't true.
We Greeks know our history. Our nations were allies during ww1, 2 balkan wars, ww2, we have same religion and many common traditions. Most Greeks consider Serbia as a friend.
About GR-FYROM relationships, their are much more complicated that u think it they are. How can we reach an understanding with ppl that use maps as avatars, showing their state reaching up to Katerini?
I won't even mention their claims about being descendants of the ancient Greek macedonian tribe, cause they are ridiculous.
Solun does not mean anything bad in serbian language.
БЈРМовци су обичан шљам који краде туђу територију и историју. О Грцима све најбоље !
MarkoniBG ne znaci nista lose ali je jako ruzno prevoditi vlastite imenice na bilo koji jezik isto kao kad bi umesto PRIJEDOR rekao PREDOR nema logike tako se Grci vredjaju kad im neko Tesaloniki zove Solun
MarkoniBG ne znaci nista lose ali je jako ruzno prevoditi vlastite imenice na bilo koji jezik isto kao kad bi umesto PRIJEDOR rekao PREDOR nema logike tako se Grci vredjaju kad im neko Tesaloniki zove Solun
There is no north an south Greeks... All Greeks like the Serb people for many reasons. I have many Serbs friends and I believe in this Friendship. I am from Athens 😁
Сергеики Што се тиче тога не видим ништа лоше у томе што ми Тесалоники називамо Солун... Имамо исто тако је и случај за Беч ( Wien ). А Немци исто користе своје речи за друге градове на пример : Аграм ( Загреб ), Марбург ( Марибор ), Нојзац ( Нови Сад ). Не видим шта је ту лоше, то се практикује у целом свету.
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Yes. I wrote that obout rivalry between Athens and Thessaloniki. I was in Greece many times talking with lot of friends. Serbs got much frinds from north than south of Greece. Of course, not saying that they hate us down but certainly Serbs enjoy greater sympathy in the north.That is my opinion.
About GR-FYROM relationships
Тoo complicated, and I hope yоu will find a Solomonic solution at least in this game and I see eSerbia as an intermediary.
@Tilemachos69 tous ekshghsa sth Serbikh glwssa
@sergeiki to stoji al kad si naucen da se Tesaloniki zove Solun. Do sada nisam znao da ih vredja naziv Solun. Moje misljenje je da treba biti neutralan oko spora Makedonije i Grcke. Neka rese problem sami, ne treba se mesati.
Why should somebody get offended by Solun? In italian the city is called Salonicco, I aint seen anyone complain about that.
So Im proud to say i am from Solun, Salonicco, Selanik, or Thessaloniki, pick your choice...thats what matters 😃
Greek people like Serbs.
We are closer to the Serbian New Year. another 8 hours. I want our southern neighbors, and their southern neighbors, good luck and health in New 2013.
RL Greeks who actually live in Greece are a OK. But the ones who live in the US and playing eRep are no different from any other stupid Yankee who thinks Serbia is Siberia. They are the ones who prefer to be allies with Croats based on all of the BS that plays in the media in the US. They think we ought to be carpet bombed every other month in RL disregarding the fact we fought terrorist even before they knew Bin Laden existed.
Respect to all Greek brothers from Greece who fought in Republic of Srpska as volunteers. We are forever grateful.
@MarkoniBG nemaju Grci problema sa Makedoncima jer su Makedonci grci to je kao da kazes Srbi imaju problema sa Bacvanima ili Banacanima. Ovi FYROM sto je tito oformio kako bi jednog dana probao da otme Makedoniju oni su vec drugo
I really love Greeks and Greece.
Od jezika, preko klime i svega ostalog. Ne znam kakvo je stanje trenutno tamo, ali bih voleo da budemo blizi njima.
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Greece and Serbia are Orthodox Brothers. The problem between Greece an FYROM has nothing to do with Greek-Serbian relations. Turkey recognized FYROM but guys like ARISTOMAXOS doesn't care about this recognition and at the same time use this argument against Serbia. Maybe they do business with Turkey, who knows.. It's just a game after all. For me, Serbs are my brothers and FYROM region belongs to Serbia. \o
The issue of Skopia is the same to us as you will never accept Kosovo we will never accept Skopia as they want. There will never be brotherhood between Skopia+Greece. Greece and Serbia are friend in RL and i have friends from there.
Also, there is no hate between Thessaloniki and Athens as you say, maybe hate between Olympiakos (south) and Paok (north)..
Strahinjiću, ti li si? : ))))
Dorus88 turks arent "bros" in rl so it was typical to recognize fyrom , serbs on the other hand are "bros" so when a bro backstabs you its called a betrayal .... turks arent bros in the game they are allies , get that difference in mind for next time
and yes i am an secret agent of MIT and do business with them
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now you are not secret. you are public agent from now.
sure "was" secret agent .... as you are "bros"
Sumnivi
nemo da vredjas
I don't want relations with a nation who has 30000 soldiers in Cyprus. You have a different way of thinking than me. It's OK. You said your opinion, I said mine.
noone forces you .... i fight for greece and EDEN allies , you dont have to do it if you dont want to
And by the way. Skopje and Kosovo belongs to Serbia. \o
I am sorry but I heard that:
In Cyprus they say for Greeks from Greece that they are "wu**es", is this true?
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Maybe because they didn't help enough Cyprus when they fought for freedom against Turkey?
So? 30000 enemies soldiers on the island are Greeks? The people who hold the gun against them are Turks.
@Radivoj NS Isto to kazu Kosovski Srbi za nas iz Srbije i zato nemoj da diras tu temu jer nas vise ce da boli Kosovo nego Grke Kipar
I sad that as a proof that Greeks are different on the North-South axis.
Hail Fyrom o7