[eBE] Official Statement about the NE and more
eBelgian Presidency
Good day my fellow eBelgians,
I was asked by a lot of people for a statement about the recent activities. As I did not know how to really start the article a conversation with SwaqqCoryn gave me some ideas how to do it.
So let’s start with everything, the things you will be hearing, you may know them or you may not know them. I’m tired of all these things, I’m just here to have fun and as a person, which I already consider as a brother to me, told me, I decided to say everything.
Some people will hate me but I don’t really care anymore. This game is about fun, and what is just happening is sad, really sad. And what happened today just gave me more reasons to say what I have to say.
Before I really start with it a short message to some people:
SHUT THE FUCK UP, seriously. Sadly I have a fucking Life, I go to school, I need my sleep, etc etc. so it’s obvious that I CAN’T IMMEDIATLY START THE ATTACK.
Sorry that I want to have education that I go to school, I see that this game is far more important than everything in my life. I just should give up everything and play this game 24/7.
I’m very disappointed my some messages I got and by some people, who really blamed me for a thing where I can do nothing about it. Let me fucking enjoy my life without constantly having to think about eRepublik.
Now after that’s been said let’s start with the three major points:
1. Is Belgium being PTO’ed ?
After our recent information, yes. We were contacted by several players stating that Belgium is currently in the eye of some PTO groups.
As we can’t tell if it’s true or not, we decided to take this matter very serious. The recent waves and actions of some members of our community increased our suspicion of a PTO.
I consider a PTO a thread but if we are under a PTO attack, I’m not sure about that, in fact there are many voices who say different things.
2. Did Belgium PTO HOPE
I admit it, and you may already know it but yes HOPE was PTO’ed or like other would like to say Taken over in order to support Anti-TakeOver efforts.
A large group of people decided to take over HOPE in order to finally stop the PTO which I mentioned above.
In fact the recent actions of HOPE members had made us suspicious about their plans. The initial idea was, according to my information’s, a spontaneous decision which was developed later on. As you can see on the elections page, every party was asked to only run one candidate as Party President in order to secure the seat there and let mobile voters move to HOPE and vote there. I as CP was naturally included in that group, but being Party President of the ULA I did not move and did not even vote in the elections for Zangetsu-osan (sorry mate)
3. The NE on UK / UK NE on us
The most important matter, so let’s talk about that one. As I said previously, there has been a large group who was debating about possible ATO measures. A wipe by another country was very soon mentioned but due to the fact that new ideas plopped up, it soon was lost in the many messages shared between that group. I was against a wipe; I felt that this was not the best solution to fight this PTO, that this would only delay the problem, not really solve it.
I forgot the wipe idea when suddenly, some days ago while I was in school during informatics I had some time to surf around the web and decided to take a look at eRepublik, during these 5 minutes I trained fought and then went reading my messages when I suddenly saw that the group was planning to launch the NE at 2 pm of that same very day. As I had no time to even write a message and because I would only come home around 4 pm I was pretty unable to do anything. When I came back home, the NE had not been launched yet and I started asking the group what was going on.
I read some more messages, one where tecuvo, our MoFA, had already contacted every CoT SC and the UK CP about our NE. Ofcourse, this was all without my permission as I was unable to connect. The first suggestion was asking France (before talking with UK). I told my MoFA’s that I did not trust France (not remembering that we have no border with them) and asking for an emergency congress vote if they want to get wiped to counter the PTO.
As France was out (due to not having a border with them) the idea was to NE the UK, again I asked for a congress emergency vote on it.
Nothing.
I told them my opinion, that I was against a wipe and that the government would neither support to vote YES on the NE nor NO. Every CM should decide what would be best for our country. There I saw that tecuvo used his powers as MoFA (even though I said that the government would not support voting YES or NO) to inform the people to vote YES on the proposal.
After the NE failed, another one was started short before the NE of the UK on us. Why did the UK NE us?
A PP, Konrad Neumann took this matter into his own hands and contacted the UK CP, Mr. Woldy. He agreed to NE us and soon after our second NE, he NE’d us.
The day the second NE started, people in the group started informing every CM to vote YES on that proposal. But on the next day, the order was: Vote NO or we will have the initiative and have a reduced congress.
Now we are here.
What will happen now ?
The battle will start; I will launch it and let Belgium itself decide where it wants to fight.
But, I urge all our allies to not fight for us, do something useful with your damage and use it where it is really needed, we will not have a chance to last long so don’t waste your damage here, help where it is really needed. Even if wiped, Belgium will support his allies!
To all the young citizens, enjoy the fight; do damage in order to gain some True patriot medals and Battle Hero medals. You will certainly enjoy the gold you’ll get from the medals
Another thing, I would have loved to get informed sooner about a lot of things. At least 1 week before that the NE would happen, so that I would have enough time to contact CoT and our neighboring nations about it.
Then, I would have liked to be informed sooner about the fact that the UK would be NE’ing us, not at the same time then the whole group!
Final step here, as much as I respect tecuvo’s decision as he is clearly doing it because he loves Belgium, I have to make a statement. So from further effect, tecuvo will be fired as MoFA, Maresal Lengas will be put as vMoFA instead of MoFA.
The new MoFA team will consist of Zangetsu-osan and Dan/naD Wilshire as main MoFA’s and el1temkd and Maresal Lengas as vMoFA’s.
That’s it; I hope this was what you wanted to hear. Before I finish a short reminder.
Please no insults in the comments, no swearing, just have a normal discussion. As said before, I know people will hate me, but I don’t care. As CP I have to take decisions which can’t please everyone. If I did something wrong, I’m very sorry for it but I had to do it, not just for every person here but also for myself.
Thank you for reading this and sorry for the huge wall of text, I hope it will not scare you away and I suggest you to read through all of it.
Greetings,
Harley Quinn, Spokeswoman
MCKitkat, Country President of eBelgium
For shouts: [eBE] Official Statement about the NE and more http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2281234/1/20
Comments
tl;dr
it's not a debate today, push on the buttom
Hi, thank you CP for your report.
Just to make it clear one and all: ATO party didn't help to PTO HOPE. And we did not move to HOPE or limit the CP list to one (it's just that we plan CP elections beforehand therefore no one really needs to bother [can easily be pto'ed, and it's something we'll need to take care as it seems some people are doing it).
Just because it bothers me a lot to read all the time rb/ato/uu/trm.
"SHUT THE FUCK UP, seriously. Sadly I have a fucking Life, I go to school, I need my sleep, etc etc. so it’s obvious that I CAN’T IMMEDIATLY START THE ATTACK."
I do agree with what you are doing, the PTO'ers need to be stopped but Wow really? That is kinda a childish responds. It's not that strange that people want to know what is going on right? You are president and yes you have a real life but if you don't have time you shouldn't have become president.
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On a sidenote, isn't it about time you got a CP medal Jofroi 😛
This game is taking people mind.. heh..
Nah, I don't have time for that😁
I usually have enough time, that was one exception but seems that people are getting mad that I am not 24/7 online in order to react to everything.
tbh, that's usually what is expected from a CP and this is why this is a really shitty job (even if I know that in eBelgium we have a lack of candidate problems).
Fhae, I read that part too and all I thought was "EEEEEEMOOOO!!!" Seriously, if the game gets to you on such a level that it evokes such reactions on your part, I suggest you'd quit. I'm not saying this because you're an opponent or anything, I genuinely, for your own sanity, advise you to either go to 2-clicking for a while or quit. Because when an internet game actually gets under your skin like this, you've taken it too far.
Nobody hates you, but I think it can be said quite fairly that it is the lack of activity of this government that has made the situation worse. The information was there, and it was your responsibility to know it. I understand your feelings about having the decision taken out of your hands, but there has been a clear lack of leadership.
Or maybe someone had to stand out... When you think something is needed you have to take a leadership position.
But I agree on the fact this should have been the government. But don't blind yourself, lot of persons had the social/political power to stand out firmly. but eBe heroes are long gone 🙁.
JdlF, there were people standing up and trying to help here, but nobody wanted to listen. They preferred to do nothing. If you want to look at heroes, look at people like who tecuvo, who took initiative even without any direction or support from his CP, and who now is taking the heat for that.
Doing something hidden without explaining your ideas is not an efficient way.
Today, I got the full explanation of the why and how. Today. And it took me one hour and half. You just had to explain it well with a nice post somewhere.
After all these explanations I have to agree with the most of them (not the hope ppto). But as all was sooo well explained, i just got it today.
Politic is a social module, read my article for noobs. And without a good structure or a good leadership all was just blabling (for most of the readers).
When you have an idea: be clear with it. and I agree with your ideas. But it took TONS OF TIME to get through an epic labyrinth of messages.
Thank you very much for your statement
@ I read some more messages, one where tecuvo, our MoFA, had already contacted every CoT SC and the UK CP about our NE. Ofcourse, this was all without my permission as I was unable to connect.
You are lucky that he is active, more like you.
I can do 2 things, but I'll go for the civilized option
See the PM Mckitkat
sorry guys, no popcorn time 😉
Beleived you could be helpfull for the country... HUGE dissapointment
I'm proud of him, he made what the country needed.
What Elynea? He wippe Belgium for a while, it is he only result.
I'm proud of tecuvo too! He showed everyone what one true leader should look like!
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/day-2043-2281219/1/20
I agree with you MCKitkat, however you should have taken a position, be for or against, to be sure. And now as CP, it is your duty to start negociating with UK for a quick end and recovery.
el1temkd contacted me to ask for stoping being against the RW. He told me Belgium was knowing the risks, but it seems not. Therefore, I do not trust him anymore.
Belgium is PTOed since I'm eBorn, and nobody was able to stop them. Sometimes, it is better to organise a congress sniping a Switz do. Past gov did nothing, this one tried but by puting Tecuvo, it failed.
In what is consiting my loggin period of day? Trying to organise RW, NE, supports,... And it is time for Belgium to know that...
Belgium was a safe place, with a great community. Look now what it became.
Now it is too late CP, you are a good guy, so take your responsabilities and stop this stupid NE.
No comment needed, I only give my state of mind.
Greetings from eSwitzerland.
I really thought that eBelgium was knowing the risks, that's why I've done this:
http://goo.gl/wDPd6
But seems not
First of all: WE brought in foreigners after YOU PTO'd our party. If you hadn't done that, you would have been able to continue things as they where. YOU and those who helped in this PTO brought this on themselves. PTO'ing a party is stupid anyway because as you can see already moved all our active members to PANDA and are the biggest party yet again. All you did was give a small annoyance. Never make a pointless move, even if it's of great symbolical value. And never start a war unless you have the means and foresight to win it This was your greatest tactical blunder imo. Even worse than the NE, even worse than the inactivity, even worse than the poor communication. You made a reckless, pointless, purely symbolical move of which you knew it will have no effect whatsoever. You started a chessgame with half your pieces still in the box and no strategy past your first 2 moves.
Dumb, dumb, dumb.
Your second mistake is that you are weak. If this text proves anything, it's that you are a puppet. YOU where elected president. NOT tecuvo, NOT Konrad, NOT Jofroi,... NOT anyone else. YOU take the decisions. And if others step outside of their boundaries, YOU find a way to punish them. Trough the SC for treason and by firing them. The latter you did, but you did it way too late. This only strengthens the image of you as a weak person who gets toyed around and cannot make a decision without the approval of his masters.
Your third mistake, and the only mistake you can still correct is that you make a plan, half-arse yourself to start with it and when you see it will fail, still continue to go on with it, even tho the results will be disastrous and you will gain nothing out of it. When you see that a plan is steering towards failure, abort, come up with a new plan. You clearly don't you don't understand the game mechanics. If you had read the congress wiki page, you would have understood that after the 23'rd all regions lost will still give us congress seats [...]
[...] given that we hold at least one region until the 26th 6:00. Seeing as we're fighting in east midlands today, there is no way eUK can still win 4 battles in less than 2 days. You plan was doomed from the start. Any decent CP would have made a timetable in advance and noticed that you started this plan too late. The 26th we WILL have congress elections and we WILL have 40 seats to divide.
Rather than realizing this, aborting the plan and in the process saving the country from yet another pointless move, you chose to continue going with a already failed plan. This proves yet again what an unsuited person for this job you are. You will sacrifice eBelgium for no results whatsoever. If anything, you have only made us stronger. Many thanks for that.
If you truly are our CP, you would call upon our allies to DO fight for us, to preserve our territories so our new players can use their hard needed bonus, and to arrange a peace with eUK
Unfortunately I think that expecting such a thing from you is utopic. You're mentally too weak for this job, you don't have the stomach for it, you can't make hard decisions and you're a puppet to others and your own insecurity. If the next in line wouldn't be a inactive lulz-candidate (yet another proof we never wanted to PTO you), I would have suggested that you resigned. Unfortunately that's not an option. So you better grow some hair on your teeth, finish the job to the best of your possibilities and hope that the next president is someone capable of cleaning up your mess.
The real mistake was ppto you. From that starting point, the mess is logical.
One can see that the TO of HOPE has damaged us more then anybody else. We now have another party with a respectable amount of members. HOPE is partially with 2-clickers of ex-HOPE who stayed and citizens from other parties. The real HOPE just moved out to a new party and they will continue doing it as many times as we TO their initial party.
Which is kind of normal. I would bite you if you strike me ...
Shadow : if you didn't give CS to croatians, we would not be in this situation !
We did that after you PTO'd our party, my love.
hey wait ! i didn't pto anything. I voted for Maresal.
I'm sorry. By "you", I didn't mean "you" but rather the usual forum folks like Konrad, tecuvo, McKitkat and consorts.
That is a complete lie. The Croatians were admitted on the 23rd of last month and immediatly put at the top of HOPEs Congress list. tecuvo had not even moved into HOPE at that point. HOPE was taken from you because you let in a known PTO group, not the reverse. It is clearly there in the list of approved citizens, including who admitted them, and in the Congress rolls. Try again.
Every time Shad say something, it is 99 percent a lie...
Everything Konrad does, is 99% backstabbing
I'm sorry to say shadow but your party members were bringing in people long before Hope got PTO'ed
MCKitkat, you are a great guy. I know that. But , you were to young for this job. You wanted that medal and now you have to pay for it. My opinion, if you want to clean your name , go talk with UK and stop this nonsense. If we have to fight against a PTO we will do it by asking allies to join us, by bringing our own friends inside, by doing real politics and not only long arguing. We only need to be united. It is a CP role to unite the party`s and the people.
I wanted that medal, ah good joke. Seriously, if someone just goes for the medal he is a total fool. That medal is nothing, but really nothing in for the fact that you have to be either retired, workless or anyhow having a lot of time and still you will get criticized. In the midterm you really feel every other CP who has been before you and you wish you've had never candidated for CP, but hey, I still have - 2 weeks to solve some things.
yes, two weeks to clean this mess and your name. Good luck .
MCKitkat for Re-election!!
Ohgod, you've just given me a great idea for a epic Panda-troll... We just run you, re-elect you and see you completely lose it when we block all attempts to have you impeached.... That would be so so so so sweet
@Nihil.sine.deo: There are far more important things to do than to clean up my name. I first have to clean up my mess and do everything in those next weeks to bring eBelgium to kind of the same state as before.
@shadowukcs: Good Luck with realizing your idea.
PTO?
So,PTO IS WHEN SOME PEOPLE WHO AREN'T FROM BELGIUM AND TAKE OVER A PARTY IN NATIONAL RANK 5 IN eBELGIUM?
THIS IS BAD,TO PTO A PARTY BY STRANGERS
HOW CAN BELGIANS FIGHT PEOPLE OF PTO?
IS ANY WAY?
A PTO is someone from a foreign country, want to lead the country to take money or create problems. The PTO don't want to be part of the comunity.
yes but how can people fight PTO?
Is any way to help i?
Personally I think admins should kick them out of countries since the make a lot of troubles in communities. Look at us for example eBe is now a country with 2 poles: on 1 side we have RL belgians and people who love Belgium/eBe and on the other side we have also RL belgians but they are full off anger and rage towards the other side + people from other countries who don't give shit about eBegium.
And both sides are arguing a lot lately and pointing fingers at each others.
If the CP is reasonable he will stop this war ASAP, I know he was against this war and he doesn't give a damn to stop it.
What is it to be forcer to ignore your own ideas and follows someone else without thinking?