[Dáil Éireann] Preliminary Investigation Into Commune Investment
Seanan
Citizens of The Republic,
(Sounds officially official)
Last term when I managed to wiggle into the Dáil thread, despite not being elected, where I volunteered to look into the potential for the rental money to be invested into the Nation's commune systems. At present, I have found only 4 commune systems and all are military communes;
✯ Irish Army & Bootcamp (State)
✯ Labour People's Army (Private)
✯ Clerics (Private)
✯ CrOmega Ireland (Private)
This was a preliminary investigation to look at potential for investment. With permission from the commune operators, I will give more detailed layouts of the systems to the Dail, if investment is considered an option - however, for public consumption, I will tactically illustrate using my own methodology which represents the capacity of these systems without compromising worker counts, production or anything of particular strategic worth.
Method
Commune operators provided me with worker counts, the Production Companies involved in their system and the Raw Material Companies involved in their system. Information about about additional inputs, such as donors, State or private investment was not collected. Information on offered supply was not collected.
My methodology looks to create a comparable factor between the systems. For this reason, I set the standard baseline supply of each military organization at 10 Q7 Tanks per worker - information about offered supply was not collected nor additional inputs, so not reflective of actual supply of all organizations but it should be considered an aim when looking at the need for investment.
Next Stage:
✯ What production bonuses does the Operator have?
✯ Is there 1 Q7 Weapon Company Placement per Worker?
✯ Does the production of Weapon Raw Material Companies involved in the System meet the RM demands needed to provide each Worker with 10 Q7 Tanks?
✯ What is the highest Q Raw Material Company?
The method expresses the answers to these questions in a percentage under "Capacity" - this indicates the ability of the commune system to provide all its Work Force 10 Q7 Tanks each.
Worked Example
# If 0% bonus Weapon Bonus; each Worker requires 2,000 WRM to create their 10 Q7 Tanks.
# Hence a System which has 10 Workers with a Q7 Company Placement Each
# And WRM Production from the Operator equaling 20,000
= Has a Capacity of 100%
This means without any additional inputs, the system in its current form is capable of providing each worker 10 Q7 tanks. A percentage below 100%, such as 50%, means the system is only capable of providing half its Work Force 10 Q7 tanks each without additional inputs. A percentage above 100%, means the system is able to provide more than 10 Q7 tanks per worker without any additional inputs.
In systems where there are more Workers than Q7 Placements, I substitute their Work Clicks into WRM production. I also factor in high bonus systems, that the Operator might allocate only some of the Work Force to Q7 Placements and the rest to WRM Production, for example if has 10/10 Weapon Bonuses - Hence each worker produces 20 Q7 tanks, so 10 for themselves and 10 another - that another then works in WRM Company.
Results
Remembering this is based on my model of Baseline Supply = 10 Q7 tanks. Others may believe an acceptable baseline supply is below 10 tank, so the capacity would be higher.
This also only takes into account the 'Operators' characteristics and inputs. 'Additional inputs' are not considered, and would require further investigation if the Dail wished to pursue this pathway; The operator is unlikely to be the only input into a system, others will likely add to the system by donating currency from their own production to the Operator to buy more WRM - this becomes more prominent in large systems where if the Operator had to provide all WRM from own General Manager clicks, the Operator may have to buy EBs or Gold Health just to complete Daily Clicks.
Without proper investigation into additional inputs its difficult to know the 'true' capacity, however as a preliminary investigation this sets the tone. Under current figures I'd estimate a rise in capacity by 1% under my Baseline Supply: Irish Army & Bootcamp (6,000-11,000 IEP), Labour People's Army (2000-4,000 IEP), Clerics (1,000-3,000 IEP) - however the room for error without further investigation should be abundantly clear.
Comments
Mail me if you are a Commune Operator who has slipped from my grasp - I will want to probe you thorough.
Do you supply the lubricant or do they bring their own?
He has a pretty dry tone to the article...
With that tone, you'll find yourself handcuffed to a chair soon enough Paddy!
don't be promising paddy things you won't do, i hear he has bought his own handcuffs and has the chair ready.
Only if you wear the leather mini skirt and high heeled boots again, Seanan 😉
And if it is the mini skirt, I'd recommend you wax those gorilla legs first 😛
Very informative thank you. From looking at your past articles I will presume that you are very knowledgeable about the game, might have to interrogate you one day 😃
Very good work Seanan, I'd give you numbers about CrOmega too if you want 🙂
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Does this mean that players belonging to an MU without a commune will see no benefit from the rental agreement?
I hope not, but it seems so.
I doubt that. That'd be wrong.
Hardly, it's state policy to support sustainable weapons production, and non-commune MUs benefit from state stocks from the IA for state-sanctioned combat anyway.
Oh, we're talking about investments in MU communes, then of course I agree that only IA should recieve the state help. I thought it's about this training ground upgrades 😛
Na man, MU production vs membership.
No more benefit to players who don't need to upgrade their Training Grounds with that recent funding decision, depends where you assign value.
Use of commune is more flexible though. Only the receiver of the TG funding gets any benefit, whilst a commune can provide a service to many others - only barrier is that the provider expects the receiver to use that supply in accordance with the military organization's objectives, currently confined to a DO - thats what I mean when I say a "military commune" opposed to a "citizens commune" where its a free to join & free to act economic group (unless its political, like past Labour's Commune).
remember, no one ever promised everyone would benefit from the rental deal, just that we'd all lose from it 🙂
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Tbh, it sounds like the IA needs a major infrastructure upgrade.
The IA has no infrastructure, its communes are all "loans/free to use companys" from citizens who purchased them themselves with their own money/gold, the only option under current game mechanics
the danger of providing citizens with state companys is, if they leave we lose the company/investment as well, not like the old days when Orgs could host state companys.
We have reliable citizens already who host companies, and who would willingly transfer companies. By the logic put forth, we should dissolve the IA immediately, which would be foolish in the extreme.
The situation is not really different to having orgs anyway: Anyone who had access could steal the companies from an org. This way, it's a matter of selecting long term committed citizens to hold the companies rather than having an org.
I would love to see some good ideas for remedying the situation within the current constructs of the game.
unfortunately the only answer is a rollback to Beta/v1 of the game, it was so much better in many ways and state orgs could host companys.
If we could roll back to V1 I wouldn't get anything done in real life. lol
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13,7% is indeed extremely low...at current market levels everything below 60% is quite worrying.
Is the IA Bootcamp lacking access to Q7 weapons factories or where does all the money disappear?
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interesting analysis
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What is funny is that MUFC himself said that if x and y happens they will be self sufficient in his article of today. so how can it be 126% ?
If I set the baseline supply at 15 Q7 tanks, it'd probably be at 70%. Its relative to the parameters I've set, but as it happens, I'm looking at an entire commune system, not individuals - MUFC is likely talking about individual's self sufficiently i.e. the ability of individuals to provide their own tanks without the aid of a commune.
naw he said commune would be self sufficient. You do know he cant count?
Don Cretin said After I recently managed to win Jackpots twice we’re richer for almost 1000 golds ( I spent some on spinning) and it helps us develop our communes. At this moment we’re able to fund more then 30% of our daily needs for raw materials. It gives us great foundation and enable us grow even faster now with current daily profit of more then 800 IEP per day. Since we don’t have supplies yet this profit is automatically re-invested in new raw material companies and Training Grounds upgrades for our members. We’re trying to be completely self-sufficent and we hope we’ll reach that goal in the next two months.
We have donations every Friday and it helps a lot. I made some calculations and it looks like we need 600 more golds to be able to provide ourselves with 100% raw materials. Considering we have 50 members and this Friday donations if every members donates 1 gold per week, every Friday, we’ll be able to be completly self-sufficient in three months.
This is anyway baloney you always supplied 10 tanks to most players so where exactly do you come up with 13% seanan. Do you really think we are that stupid. That would mean about 1 weps per soldier with about 100 at most that would be 1000 weps or 100 q7 weps factories and + what you bought. That means that government would need to provide at most about 2000 IEP . And Bhane said you asked for 1333 iep a day. anyway i never suffered any low supplies so dont think your being honest. just another attempt to take everything offered. How pathetic seanan. And to think I suggested this very same idea and said we should improve the whole armies infrastructure and then you screamed high murder. oh well i think we can see who brings the ideas to the table and who the bullshit.
Get a dictionary, Kakkhead. Look up the meaning of "Preliminary". You haven't understood my method of assessment; ADDITIONAL INPUTS -NOT- CONSIDERED. -ONLY- OPERATOR INPUTS CONSIDERED.
If you factor in additional inputs like State funding, donations and communal sharing - capacity is higher, probably in all systems. Wrap your head around it, the commune operator is not the only factor involved - but they are the most important.
"Preliminary" to establish a broad overview. Then you get with the detailed investigation IF the Dail wants to explore this option more through.
Class over, back to School.
without detailed figures your just lie'ing. Your the spartan of IA so is definitely not objective meaning your a liar as always. provide actual numbers. And your fooling nobody. If government employ your numbers it will show their orcish desire for corruption.
So tell me first off who is your suppliers of Q7 WEPS and how many Q7 factories do they have?
our supply is anyway more like 27 Q7 weps per ask. I seldom ask as I am fighting with fists mostly