GOSPLAN
Day 135, 13:26
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Published in Norway 
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by Sasha Igorovich
Today, I received the following message from the spokesman of the CPSE:
“Hello,
You are fully within your right to ignore my “authority” and continue on your merry way, however for the betterment of Russia I plea to you. As it is known the majority of Russians have called for Socialism, and the previous party leader Sasha has agreed that Socialism in the economy is what Russia needs before we won the election. As organizer and creator of the GOSPLAN I am willing to give FTM members immunity to democratic elections for a one month period of time (which you will likely be re-elected if you prove to be a good business owner) in an attempt to unify the country. I am not asking that you quit your party and join the CPSE; I am asking that you help us make Russia a better place since both our leadership has a firm agreement when it comes to economics. Now is the time for unity instead of separation, I am not here to make idle threats or remarks about the FTM’s situation, I am here to help make our economy work.
And that means keeping records of businesses losses/gains to determine company subsidy and profit distribution. If you have read through our proposals you know this already.
If you are willing to join us in our endeavor and learn more about how this will work then please contact me at (e-mail address removed to protect Hatebot's privacy) or contact me on MSN at (e-mail address removed to protect Hatebot's privacy).
Thank you for your time
-HateBot”
THIS IS MY RESPONSE:
First… I did not agree before the election that what Russia needed was a socialistic economy. I said what we have is a socialistic economy. My goal would be to see Russia with a free market, but some form of socialism was necessary in the early days of our nation until our companies could be established. My hope would be that eventually this would become unnecessary.
Second… I have never, nor do I now embrace the communistic system that Hatebot’s GOSPLAN represents. I might be persuaded for the nationalization of Healthcare (i.e. hospitals), but not of industry as a whole. Strictly speaking this would be socialism as is found in Europe where key industries are socialized but the market remains free. Although personally, I would prefer a free market, this form of socialism would be acceptable to me since the hospitals cannot be owned or operated by private individuals or companies. Only the government can buy hospitals, so why shouldn’t they own the means of production.
Third… Regarding this statement, “As organizer and creator of the GOSPLAN I am willing to give FTM members immunity to democratic elections for a one month period of time (which you will likely be re-elected if you prove to be a good business owner) in an attempt to unify the country.” Translation, agree to have an election after one month’s time to determine whether or not you should remain as GM of your companies. There is absolutely no way that I will agree to such a plan. The words are here for all to read, the CPSE plan is to take control of my companies away from me! I will never agree to this, and I hope the other GM’s of Russia will refuse as well. I want unity, but not at the cost of injustice.
Fourth… I no longer speak on behalf of FTM now that Yattuwort is our party President, but I seriously doubt that the leadership of both our parties supports this plan!
Fifth… Profit and loss statements for all companies are automatically kept by the game and are viewable for all who wish to see them.
FINALLY… NO, I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF JOINING YOUR GOSPLAN. AND I SINCERELY HOPE OTHERS DO NOT AS WELL!
“Hello,
You are fully within your right to ignore my “authority” and continue on your merry way, however for the betterment of Russia I plea to you. As it is known the majority of Russians have called for Socialism, and the previous party leader Sasha has agreed that Socialism in the economy is what Russia needs before we won the election. As organizer and creator of the GOSPLAN I am willing to give FTM members immunity to democratic elections for a one month period of time (which you will likely be re-elected if you prove to be a good business owner) in an attempt to unify the country. I am not asking that you quit your party and join the CPSE; I am asking that you help us make Russia a better place since both our leadership has a firm agreement when it comes to economics. Now is the time for unity instead of separation, I am not here to make idle threats or remarks about the FTM’s situation, I am here to help make our economy work.
And that means keeping records of businesses losses/gains to determine company subsidy and profit distribution. If you have read through our proposals you know this already.
If you are willing to join us in our endeavor and learn more about how this will work then please contact me at (e-mail address removed to protect Hatebot's privacy) or contact me on MSN at (e-mail address removed to protect Hatebot's privacy).
Thank you for your time
-HateBot”
THIS IS MY RESPONSE:
First… I did not agree before the election that what Russia needed was a socialistic economy. I said what we have is a socialistic economy. My goal would be to see Russia with a free market, but some form of socialism was necessary in the early days of our nation until our companies could be established. My hope would be that eventually this would become unnecessary.
Second… I have never, nor do I now embrace the communistic system that Hatebot’s GOSPLAN represents. I might be persuaded for the nationalization of Healthcare (i.e. hospitals), but not of industry as a whole. Strictly speaking this would be socialism as is found in Europe where key industries are socialized but the market remains free. Although personally, I would prefer a free market, this form of socialism would be acceptable to me since the hospitals cannot be owned or operated by private individuals or companies. Only the government can buy hospitals, so why shouldn’t they own the means of production.
Third… Regarding this statement, “As organizer and creator of the GOSPLAN I am willing to give FTM members immunity to democratic elections for a one month period of time (which you will likely be re-elected if you prove to be a good business owner) in an attempt to unify the country.” Translation, agree to have an election after one month’s time to determine whether or not you should remain as GM of your companies. There is absolutely no way that I will agree to such a plan. The words are here for all to read, the CPSE plan is to take control of my companies away from me! I will never agree to this, and I hope the other GM’s of Russia will refuse as well. I want unity, but not at the cost of injustice.
Fourth… I no longer speak on behalf of FTM now that Yattuwort is our party President, but I seriously doubt that the leadership of both our parties supports this plan!
Fifth… Profit and loss statements for all companies are automatically kept by the game and are viewable for all who wish to see them.
FINALLY… NO, I HAVE NO INTENTIONS OF JOINING YOUR GOSPLAN. AND I SINCERELY HOPE OTHERS DO NOT AS WELL!
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\"The words are here for all to read, the CPSE plan is to take control of my companies away from me!\"
Paranoid much? We don\'t care about your companies - we care about your *workers*. If you\'ve been good to them, they would easily ratify your position as manager since you\'re already the most experienced.
\"the CPSE plan is to take control of my companies away from me!\"
OH NOES! THE COMMUNISTS ARE COMING THE COMMUNISTS ARE COMING!
my response is exactly what SeriyVolk said.
\" Profit and loss statements for all companies are automatically kept by the game and are viewable for all who wish to see them.\"
The laws of supply and demand must be manually changed in a closed economic system, and every bit of information is as valuable as gold.
The visible profits and losses don\'t express the net lose or net gain of a company simply because all industries start out with beginning cash to get going. Filling out the reports I posted (for those who are interested you will see a screen shot) will show exactly how much money you lose a day, and if you require government subsidy.
It also doesn\'t show how much you pay your workers, the production daily, and how much the market buys from you on a weekly basis. There is a lot of information that is missing.
You still aren\'t explaining WHY you are against the GOSPLAN other than us trying to \"steal your\" companies.
HateBot, have you so soon forgotten the discussions about this you had with others? If you honestly do not know what the objection is, here it is for you again: GOSPLAN allows for the minority to be oppressed by the majority. You view this as the majorities right - but not everyone agrees with you that oppression is justifiable.
First of all this isn\'t about you, it\'s about Sasha. It\'s not about your morality or your ideals, it\'s about his. I am asking for his criticism against it not yours. I already know your criticism. But thanks.
Your being completely stubborn, without even considering the option we are offering. We are being fairly generous despite the crap we have been through before.
We are offering to talk to what will happen to accommodate everybody in some way and come up with some sort of agreement for a flexible period of about 1 month. Serily said it exactly, we are not \"stealing YOUR companies\", we want to see them accountable and controlled democratically to people most experienced and work for the common good. All companies are to be publically owned by everybody, and this is the basis for our plans.
It is not generous to give them only the options of \"join now or join by force.\" As I said at the forum, it is laughable that you consider their companies already yours. If you fail to recognize they have a right to stay out of the system, and that it should consist of only those who voluntarilly enter it, you leave absolutely no room for negotiations.
All negotiation attempts you have put on the table consist of a predetermined outcome provided by you, and leave the FTM with only the choice of how they are to get to that outcome. If anything is stubborn, it is this.
No, they are not ours. They are Russia\'s under public ownership. You really have to get over this whole evil scheme idea. Everybody in the party does not have to repeat this again and again.
These industry owners have refused to talk to us about any sort of compromise to the proposal, so how exactly is this a predetermined outcome? Because we have outlined what we want to see done? Russian workers weren\'t given any say with anything, especially with alot of the stuff that went on before. We could very well just go ahead with everything without giving them a chance to at least discuss it
We are willing to be open about many aspects of our plan, but they refuse to talk period.
I didn\'t realize Rangeley was the spokesmen for Sasha. Last time I checked he was perfectly able to defend him self and explain his own reasoning.
Rangeley does not speak for me.
But since Hatebot is obviously a bit dense, here is my reply again: I am opposed to communism, and do not accept the GOSPLAN or any other communistic scheme. I do not recognize public ownership of any of my companies. And beyond that I have nothing more to say.
It seems this is going nowere. The CPSE is obviously trying to mix water with oil.
At least we are trying to make an effort to get people to cooperate.
By cooperate, do you mean you are finally willing to accept people\'s right to stay out of GOSPLAN?
\"But since Hatebot is obviously a bit dense, here is my reply again: I am opposed to communism, and do not accept the GOSPLAN or any other communistic scheme. I do not recognize public ownership of any of my companies. And beyond that I have nothing more to say.\"
Fair enough