There's no need to be confused

Day 2,292, 05:46 • Published in Belgium Netherlands • by Fhaemita The Apostate

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Salut Belgium Citizens,

Recently Boer Jan wrote an article in about our current situation, in this article he placed people in four different categories, the people who are pro PTO, the people who are against the wipe, the PTO'ers and the people who do not exactly know. Boer Jan was eager to place people in categories but I do not believe most people will fit just in one of the other category, it is not all black and white and there are different shades of grey between being pro wipe or against the wipe. There are "extremist" on both side, both in group 1 and 2 who are very vocal in what they believe but for a lot of people it's not that clear. I do not believe we should put each other in categories and divide our community we should stand strongly together against our common threat the PTO'ers.

jdlf wrote an article yesterday about the stances of this so called group 2, the group who do not believe that the wipe and the no congress policy of the current (and previous) governments is a good idea. In his article there are half truths and things that are actually factually incorrect. They point out that the PTO'ers were able to block a ATO action on the PTO'ers main party Liberation Front (not DEFIANCE) and were able to take Res Belgica yet jdlf conveniently forgets to mentions that the next month (the most recent party president elections) we were able to actually take both parties. jdlf commented the PTO'ers have assets because they were able to fund the recent resistance wars, this is also factually incorrect I have a list of (the first nine people) who supported the last RW's and almost all were non eBelgians who were trying to get a resistance medal. In the past some comments where made along the lines of (I don't know the exact comment) that a lot of people must be for freedom because the a lot of people fight for eBelgium in the Resistance Wars and some of the Resistance Wars succeeded, which is also incorrect because more than 90% of the people who are fighting for the resistance are people who fight for for the RW to succeed so they get their resistance war medal and most of the people just fight for their Freedom Fighter Medal.



"the opposition" is easy to quickly to criticize and to point fingers at the government and point out what the government is doing wrong in the eyes of the opposition. There is no problem with having another opinion then the government, my problem is though that they do not give an alternative nor do they take responsibility. Even in jdlf latest article they point out the problems we're having and I can partly agree or at least see the point they are making but nowhere do they really give an alternative. They play on citizens nationalistic feelings that your country should be free but do not really give a plan of attack how to deal with the PTO'ers when the country is free and have congress elections. I think the government would be more willing to listen to the opposition if instead of just pointing what was wrong they had a proper plan something even after jdlf post I still do not see. I do believe that standing on the sideline and pointing out flaws is very easy and a sure way to get support but actually standing up and taking responsibility and doing something that requires actually courage and balls

In JdlF he brings up that the wipe isn't working against the PTO because the PTO'ers are still here and that we are still under PTO threat. I do partially agree but where we disagree is that the wipe isn't working. The goal of the wipe was to make sure no more PTO'ers would be able to let into the country by giving them citizenship. The wipe made sure the PTO situation wouldn't escalate, it made sure not more PTO'ers were (illegally) given citizenship in eBelgium. In that respect the wipe did serve it's purpose. Another thing that jdlf brings up is the risk of continuing the wipe and that it will cause a snowball effect in our numbers and our activity. Like I have already stated in previous article this people is something you see everywhere, most countries you see the number of citizens dropping drastically because of boredom of the game or just because it's become just a battlegame and "pay to win" where you almost have to buy gold with real life money to make any difference on the battlefield. Saying that a lot of people leaving because of our situation is mostly speculative and without any facts. The things that is a fact is that active citizens like Cotarius, MaryamQ, NLSP and other have left because out of frustration with the so called group two people.



Vincent Pain and other who are on his side the people who are in or are for the current (and previous) government(s) the "forum elite". These are basically the same people who've been eBelgium the last 5 years. Vincent Pain and his sidekicks keeps bringing up the same arguments against the "forum elite" over and over again even if they've been proven to be not true. Stories about people's post being removed on the forum and people being banned from the forum something that the forum staff already refuted. They claimed that the current government are the PTO which is ofcourse ludicrous seeing it's the same people who've been in this country for the last five years and I could go on with listing the other arguments that Vincent Pain and cohort have been claiming and repeating but it's of no use beating a dead horse.

Vincent Pain and cohorts have proven time and time again that they are unwilling to work with the "forum elite". They ignore all rules that we as a community has set up over the last 4 years since eBelgium split with the union with the Netherlands. They've been spreading lies, insulting, spreading real life information of people, making derogatory comments to people based on real life nationality, real life age and sexuality. They have broken rules set-up by our community, they accepted Croatians and people from other surrounding countries because they disagreed with the eBelgian community. They were unsuccessful in persuading eBelgian to see it their way so they gave citizenship people who did agree with their idea's in order to get leverage and to grab power.

They believe that everything should be decided ingame and not on a forum, they believe in open immigration where congressman can accept anybody he likes. Both stances will cause a lot of problems, open borders where congressman can accept anybody will only cause more problems as there is no check who is let into the country and in such a small country that can be fatal. Also having discussion not on the forum but ingame is far from practical, having discussion and asking citizens opinions in an article is not ideal because of foreigners easily getting involved. The use of ingame PM's also has it's drawbacks because it's limited to thirty people, not even all congressman can be added to a ingame PM let alone other citizens who are active and interested. They agitate against the use of forum but the ingame options aren't really an alternative.



What do we risk to loose? If we stay unwiped for the congress elections we will surely lose our freedom. jdlf does not believe we lose much when the PTO happens and he believe that eBelgium will fight and that it will increase activity. I can assure people that just like at the start of the wipe people will be willing to fight and it might give activity a temporary spike but in the long term you will see activity drop just to just like it is now. Losing control of your country to a PTO will mean people will leave, they will get tired of living under control of the PTO'ers. The opposition's claims that the wipes limits activity and will make people leave, not having control of your country will do exactly the same thing and maybe worse, I have seen it happen in other countries. It is choosing between two evils and I think still having control of our country is the better one.

Final thing I want to add jdlf comment that some people wonder it it's right that we are governed by citizens from abroad. The only person who actively holds a position in eBelgian government and who does not have eBelgian citizenship is Mittekemuis who was Country President of ebelgium thrice. NLSP also holds a position but is just an advisor and isn't even present in the cabinet channel. All people who hold foreign citizen are not just random citizens they were trusted eBelgians who were citizens of eBelgium for years and years. I do not believe that just believe that just because they change citizenship that it changes their loyalty. Both people who are currently eUK ingame are still loyal eBelgians. I would also reference a point I made before in this article that people should take responsibility instead of just complaining and pointing towards things they disagree with. The same people who complained about these things are also the same people who do not apply for government positions. If you do not take responsibility and apply for a government position a CP has to look through former eBelgians to fill the spots that stay open.



Presidential candidate Jofroi in one of his presidential campaign article suggested a compromise where half the term the country would be wiped and the other half of the term we wouldn't be wiped. This plan was (from what I've read) not well received well with people like Boer Jan and jdlf. Even though we try to compromise the so called group 2 seems to be not willing to accept a compromise but rather throw tantrums like a toddler on the sideline.

My conclusion is that the so called group 1 and so called group 2 have a fundamental difference in opinion about the situation in eBE. Both group one and group two have mean well and have what is best for eBelgium at heart although they differ in their opinion on what it is that is best for eBelgium. This in contrast to the PTO'ers who do not think what is in the best interest of eBelgium but what is in their own best interest. I am hoping that both people who are pro wipe and people who are against the wipe can keep the lines of communication open en hopefully come to a compromise and solve this issue and stand together against the PTO'ers.


Eendracht maakt macht / L'union fait la force


The Valeyard (Formerly Known as Fhaemita Malodorous)
Concerned Citizen