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Bad move. There was a poll open in TUP forums for putting your name up for party president. I don't remember reading anything by you there. You were late, no one other gave his name, and thus Keers was finalised. If someone else would have come up, a primary would have started there and a name would have been finalised who everyone would vote for to avoid the PTO.

Before you even try to say forum access is only for select people, I will tell you that you're wrong. I was given access the day I joined TUP and as PP myself I gave access to anyone who asked for it. Even in the TUP shoutbox I posted numerous time to request for TUP forums in case you don't, not our fault you failed to follow simple instructions.

What you're essentially doing is assisting the PTO by BigAnt. You're attempting to bring a divide in the TUP voter base by starting an argument where unfortunately you're wrong, as explained above. This will only favour BigAnt. While I'm sure your intentions are pure, this will only help BigAnt.

Choose your side wisely, whether you're for TUP's betterment or BigAnt's PTO, because believe me, we will not forget your choice.

Farhan, thats the point- my access has been removed from the forums for no apparent reason. How am I supposed to get a chance to fight my case with the privilege taken away? Did you not read the article?

I read it again and nowhere does it state that your access to the forums was revoked, anyhow I will let whoever removed it answer you - I have no idea and due to being busy will not spend more time into it.

But, if you care a tiny bit about TUP, I would step down because this will play into hands of BigAnt and if TUP is PTOed, you will be held responsible.

Good day.

LF doesn't understand the situation at hand entirely fm, which means his point has come across a lot more hostile than it would have done had he known it more indepth (: Don't hold that against him, hes a p good dude generally!

Then maybe LF should stop butting into things he don't fully understand. Every article criticizing TUP has lengthy arguments involving LordFarhan.

His behaviour and aggressiveness are quite off putting to the neutral. I suggest he keeps his nose out of things he does not understand in future... for the good of the party.

and maybe the WayneKerr should also stop butting into things he's not at all involved with. Every article where I post has a WayneKerr trying to be a smart ass.

I'm actually in the party LF, taking part in the discussions that are going on surrounding fm2008. I am informed on the situation. I correct you when you are wrong, would you like me to show you the articles in which you incorrectly assume things, they mostly revolve around DC, something I am quite informed about?

Quoting what I said a little downwards, you're as much TUP as the PTO Serbians are eUK!

Also, I usually only post on DC articles when it's related to TUP or to UK directly. Fm2008's issue is a party's internal matter which you're using to score political points.

I was in the forums when you were PP yes. It was taken away from me so don't try and lecture me on following instructions. The request to gain access again is still sitting there now. No doubt my name would've gone forward had I the chance to put it forward. You don't know what's going on you're just trying to blindly defend them without taking my situation into account.

Well, you didn't explain yourself properly in the article, not my fault.

And LF it does say "(if you have access to the forums that is)" implying I don't.

"Choose your side wisely, whether you're for TUP's betterment or BigAnt's PTO, because believe me, we will not forget your choice."

That sounds like a threat to me... So democratic eh...

Also in saying he was late when there was no official primary, or even an official opportunity to put your name forward for a primary just puts you in an incredibly bigoted position.

Sure, take it as a threat. People assisting PTOs will not be tolerated.

There was an official opportunity to put his name forward, however what was up with his forum access is not known to me, and there was no official primary because no one came up.

Best part of this all is how the people having most problem with TUP belong to parties other than TUP rather than itself. Lol

Farhan can you still not read? I did not have an opportunity to put my name forward! Meaning there would be no primary as I couldn't do it. I don't want to argue with you, you gave me first term in congress which I am grateful for, you just need to see this from my point of view and others in the party who have no say at all.

Like I said, once you told me about the access thing, the situation changed. I was just defending my previous reply because the situation wasn't fully known to me then.

Still, keeping that in view, it will be in the best interests of TUP to stand down right now and discuss this rather than divide votes. I trusted you by giving you a term in congress back then, it's time you trust me back a little too.

Keers has had his time, the state of TUP is down to the previous PP. It's time for someone new to come in and sort this mess out.

With all due respect Farhan can I ask what length TUP leadership undertook to reach out to non forum users in the build up to the elections? I don't know the details but if fm was unaware a poll was happening on the forums then I do not think he can be blamed

Well apparently his access was removed from forums for some reason, so yeah, turned out to be more complicated than originally stated in article.

However, after what he's been told above, he's still running for PP and I believe such disunity amongst ourselves helps no one but the PTOers.

Don't be quick to show him the door, if he wants to be involved then embrace his enthusiasm in time for next month 😁

I am p sure Keers sent a message to everyone

I was in TUP, I didn't receive a message. Is this TUP's famous selectiveness coming to the fore again?

Me neither LOL

you're as much TUP as these PTOers Serbians are eUK Wayne.

What makes me any less TUP than yourself LF?

It's funny because the PTO Serbians ask the same thing WayneKerr.

"Whatever you do, please do not vote BigAnt as PP."

couple lines down

"At the end of the day this is YOUR game, don't let anyone dictate how you play...

Vote fm2008 for TUP party president, vote for what YOU want!"

Logical consistency at its best. I'm enjoying this election mess a lot... and look at the number of votes in each article. The population of eUK must have doubled.

In the interest of TUP of course.

It'll be for the people who have no say currently and are just going with the orders of the older players

if there's only one gaining anything from it, it's BigAnt.

He's got no chance at all, not sure why he's getting involved to be honest.

Don't underestimate the power of NE multies and Serbs mate, if they see NE is being fully ATO'd, it's very possible they can shift all at TUP. Given how TUP had like 60 votes last 2-3 months for PP, NE can get more votes than that. Their PTOers are more organised and not divided, unlike us!

As I already mentioned on our party feed it was most likely RodneyMckay who banned you from the TUP forums. He has a habit of banning people needlessly from their communities.

Still my request to join again is just sitting there....

Don't worry, I checked the admin log, it was you that removed him

Obviously forged to protect Rodney once again. I did no such thing.

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It is clearly obvious this has been edited.

Don't be a knob cotton, he's done nothing wrong.

Stuff like this makes me think NE have a point...

Lol, all of this is so absurd and pointless... from banning to arguing who banned him. XD

Whilst I do not know the ins and outs if this whole situation I am inclined to side with CP on this one. After all butjam you are the same person that has been caught reading the private sub forums of other parties.

As was pointed out at the time, it was a case of opening the wrong thread in my unread posts and was rectified so that it wouldn't happen again. We have nothing to gain from banning anyone and yet Alice&co have stuff to gain from saying we're corrupt, i.e. getting their own way and preferential treatment once again.

Feel free to message Kumnaa himself and get him to verify it for you, if you won't believe me then you should at least listen to someone who
a. Doesn't play anymore anyway, so has no reason to hold bias
b. Has always been upstanding and trustworthy

Whiplash if it wasn't you, you will kindly accept my request for access...

Well we all know Iain Keers CLEARED the "Sh*t" from the TUP forum groups to stop any spying eyes.

Actually Keers had no need to clear anybody. After changing the group moderators he expected to need to do so and then found there to be no point. I'd have to double check the logs but I don't think he bothered at all

Look, from the Government's point of view I haven't a clue what's been going on inside TUP with nominating their PP, and nor do I want to get involved in it. But, Iain's name was given to us a few days ago, so I assumed that a process to make him the official candidate had been followed, and he will be TUP's official candidate tomorrow.

If you feel you have been mistreated, feel free to cause a fuss after the PP elections and you might even get a decent amount of support from people, but right now, with less than 24hrs to the PP elections, the last thing we need is to be splitting votes from eUK citizens, this will only play into the hands of BigAnt and the PTOers.

For the good of the eUK, please pull out of the race.

fm2008, I would also urge you to withdraw from the elections this month.

I know you are aware that I share your reservations around how the party has handled the nomination process this time round. but now is the time for Unity, I will rally behind Iain and the rest of the eUK and together we will show the PTOers and the traitor what a United eUK can achieve.

Do this this month for Unity !!!

I can see where you're coming from but that would be against the point I am trying to make, why should everyone bow and be told what to do. This is a GAME after all.

Look there is no way a PTO will take place this month, NE have their own party to worry about before they can even think of taking control of others.

The only PTO I see happening is PTO of NE. If people don't like them why not just completely ignore them and vote others in Congress elections? This is all so absurd. You'll always have the numbers. Even if they invite their friends you can give more citizenship etc. It's a non-issue used to divide and rule.

I do not believe for a second that is about excluding anyone in TUP, granted mistakes have been with unintentional consequences, BUT this is really about people at all levels across the eUK banding together to defend what the New Eire "elite" has been trying to destroy for the last two years,

I am putting aside my misgivings and will stand shoulder to shoulder with my fellow eUK citizens to stop this threat to my country.