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First for 8%!

1 percent would be better.

While I agree with this, the government kind of needs money. Its tough to find the optimal rate.

We need our population base back if we are going to do that.... a higher population makes up for revenue lost in the lowering of the tax percentage. At this current place in time with the current status of the country, 1% wont be happening for awhile. But if we make conditions better in the country for newer players and we increase our retention rate, I see it being reasonable.

5% would bring me back, 2% would make me happy to come back.

We are working on it. We need to take this one step at a time though. We were one vote short of 7% last time. So we are starting with 8 and we have other plans after that.

Only a 1.30 cc difference per click anon. 5% would put us at a 0.50cc difference.

If that amount is keeping ya away, lemme me know. I will write you a goddamn essay on how this is worth your 0.80.

The original purpose of putting the WAM tax to 10% will soon be fully realized, since the Treasury should be nearing it's goal to have the reserves hit a certain benchmark.

Once we set this month's budget in stone, it'll be very easy to calculate a tax rate that pays for everything and doesn't have a buffer for increasing the reserves, but doesn't include deficit spending.

The quick math I did would land that around 7%, pending the budgeted cost of something that's set as TBD.

Also, the recent spike in prices had nothing to do with any taxes, it had everything to do with demand skyrocketing due to basically unlimited Fights once you reached a certain height of Prestige, combined with the Winter Treats.

With the end of the Winter Treats, prices will normalize again.

As far as WAM tax driving people away... world population drop barely increased it's speed with the implementation of WAM tax. The rate in the eUSA didn't change at all when we were stuck at 25%, didn't budge at all when it went back up to 10%.

People were just a lot more vocal about leaving the eUSA due to the tax.

Tank prices will plummet when this weeks challenge is over, anyway I'm ok with the 10% working tax because our enemies have tax incomes much higher than ours.

They have much more people and bonus earnings, so the tax burden per person is far less. Every other country is actually gaining a lot of ground compared to us.

Can you as a representative please provide proof of the current 10% WAM tax's responsibility for the current economic situation?

This unfortunate situation is caused by gold buyers taking advantage of the 60% damage booster to get some extra levels and whatnot. They are buying up tanks en mass, drying up the market for the rest of us. To imply that your 2% WAM tax reduction would fix this is wrong, at best.

As for the decline in activity and people since the time of the WAM tax, this is not a result of the eAmerican WAM tax being where it is. People have grown bored of the stale, TWO dominated world and generally badly ran admin game. That is why the entire world population has dropped dramatically. Look at Serbia, one of the deepest communities down at least 5,000 players. Brazil, at least 4,000. Again, to imply that eAmerica lowering its WAM tax 2% would fix a game wide decline isn't truthful

Also, I must note that it is not a percentage that one targets when they discuss these things. It is the WAM tax per click, which is at a historic low right now (1.69 USD). That's 1.35 USD higher than Canada's WAM tax per click. A 2% WAM tax decrease would put us to around 1 USD greater than Canada.

Now, to a reason why we need this WAM tax. Currently we are only equal to eSerbia's money raising abilities. eSerbia can oppress as many as 5 of our allies at once. The only way to fight them is with combat orders. Even if we are put back into the winning side of affairs, money will be required to fight the #1 nation in the world who happens to be the eternal enemy of us and most of our allies. As long as they continue their aggression against us, we should continue to prepare our defenses against them.

Not to mention, it's really not that bad ; http://www.ereptools.tk/profit/

The fighting ability this gives us isn't worth the votes any party hopes to earn off handing out literal quarters.

Notice this article was focused at helping our newer players where "quarters" actually make a difference. I dont refute that the damage boosters as well as the snowman treats being a cause for our economic state, but what I am saying is that the WAM tax has been a major point in discussion for, I dont know, 4 months? Four to six months since it has been in discussion every month since I came back to congress. This is also meant to gather public opinion on what they think we should do in concerns to the tax and what the people want to assist and make their stay here more enjoyable.

Quarter, singular. Really a quarter and a half. It is encouraged that newbs do no play the econ in such a way that "quarters" are the margins of their profit. That isn't an actual profit in this game, considering investment costs. They should invest in TGs which yield much greater return. Granted, I am not saying that everyone will follow the proper strategy.

But to say that your the literal one and a half quarters you aim to put back in the player's wallet will help newb retention at all is wrong. WAM tax does not make anything unprofitable. This does not kill newbs.

I'm happy you don't refute the clear logic in the price raises. This being a persuasive article, your mentioning of this situation implies that your position would work to end it. It will not. This implication is a lie and shouldn't be in your article as an honest representative, Stephen. Keeping this in your article takes advantage of uninformed players reading. Not very newb friendly from where I'm sitting, is it?

I encourage greatly the public voicing its opinion. Base needs to get more involved undoubtably. However, this is a persuasive article full of false implications with a political point. I and others have raised concerns with your patchwork argument. I'd appreciate them being answered or acted upon.

The problem is larger than just this week. You seem to only be focused on high prices of this week. And implying that the cause as a whole is wrong because the "current economic climate" is apparently only a week long. I suspect that is simply because you have to find something to attack on the idea. Which is an admirable way to shoot down any idea before giving it a chance.

The economic climate is not such. It has been an issue for some time. Your assumption that there is only one "proper strategy" is flawed. Your premise goes on the basis that everyone in the game has the same goals within the game. This is not the case. There is no right way to play this game. There are methods that some people view as easier, but that is not really the case. The argument here is to make things better for the two-clickers and those who are not involved deeply enough in the game to access the meta-game support team.

It may be a hard concept for those entrenched in the meta-game aspects to understand, but the vast majority of people that play are the un-involved two-clickers. Those are the people that need the money in game, where nickels and dimes make a difference. They are the same people that may eventually be encouraged into the meta game, if they do not quit first. Those are the people we need to cater to. If they leave the game before getting involved further, the whole eWorld loses.

The fact is we have nearly hit the numbers that were set as a goal, which was the justification for having the tax at 10%, we have peace and reasonable surety it will remain for the immediate future, we have citizens asking for lower taxes (if you have not gotten the messages I would be surprised. I have gotten two this week.), and we have the ability to lower the taxes and still profit.

I fail to see why we should not lower taxes, except for greed.

8% is way too high. The "elite" leaders of the eUS are very short-sighted.

right now we are at 10%. We are trying to bring it down as much as we can without getting completely flamed

1.69 USD per click mate. All stays profitable and we remain on equal footing with the Serbs. Further on the note of all industries being profitable, the WAM tax isn't a newb killer. As an unintended side affect it may even encourage people to ask questions and get involved considering its awful appearance.

Bang for buck wise, this is a tax worth defending.

Now, as for the accusation of "elitism" you throw around...dear god Cubby. I make fancy PMs with 20 explanation points and text hearts for newbs (AU Mentoring). The "elites" may be getting weaker, but I sincerely doubt I'm in the club just yet.

Really though, Elitism is the disconnection from base to elected leader. Considering the media and elected rep. attention this has gotten, most of the players involved in this escape the title of "elite".

A huge amount of people despise the tax. It's our job to represent the wishes and needs of the whole, not what we personally want. The small profit difference is nothing to us, but it makes all the difference to new players. The point of the Fiscal Solvency Protection Act (10% WAM tax) was only to rebuild the treasury, not to make a 10% tax permanent. Now that we have nearly saved up the 10 million agreed upon, 8% is a more than reasonable permanent tax.

I have posted arguments to stephen in an earlier comment. If you can give merit to this argument presented here, with all its rather misleading implications, feel free to.

Till then, I'm going to continue taking the position that if we're going to pretend to be Congressmen, I'm going to be a proper fake Congressman. That means leading, informing people and acting on their wishes. Not doing what they want without letting them see the full picture.

Your "huge amount of people" (Proof?), Rep. Index, isn't something I'd argue off of. Show them the full picture, not just the argument here, and we'll see where they stand.

It stopped me from running my businesses. No question of the whys or hows, because the congress spam from those in favor of the tax basically just tell everyone that disagrees that they are stupid and should shut up.... Basically like your comments on this page...

sale price almost tripled... therefore WAM revenue increased dramatically... therefore it is oppressive to pay the same tax as before???

Unless you clear that up a little for me, Im interpreting that you are in favor of lowering the WAM tax to 8% as opposed to keeping it at 10%.

your analysis is irrational... you say that decreasing the WAM tax a few cents will motivate players to WAM their production... well if tripling the revenue from WAM didn't do it already nothing will. Anyone not WAMing like crazy right now is missing the bonanza. I have no opinion on the correct rate of tax in the eUS.

here is what you say in your article: "We feel that 8% will be a better tax rate because it will encourage all of you to work as manager. "

I definitely make almost nothing now with the taxes as they are. WAM made it impossible for me to profit in the same manner that I did before, so yeah I would say it is oppressive. Every cent does matter to people are truly poor.

Oh Dio. Not this again.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVkUvmDQ3HY&feature=youtube_gdata_player

I do think WAM is and a 8% to 12% tax is worth defending, now the big communes are paying their fair share of the tax burden to supply the funding for the USAF -a lot of whom are 'owned' by the USAF; I see complaints against the WAM as big business trying to dodge taxes and the fight over tax percentage as political....

While it's true population was shrinking well before the WAM tax was hiked, I find it impossible to believe us having one of the highest tax rates in erep can be helping us grow our nation. The government is currently pursuing options to increase bonuses something that will make the eUSA a more attractive community to be a part of. Lowered taxes combined with more players equals more people hitting the WAM button which equals more income (usually at least)

If I thought it had a chance of passing I would be for repealing the Fiscal Solvency Act and replacing it with a 5 to 6 percent rate. As is let's see what 8 percent does. You can try to minimize the effect such a cut would have by saying it's only so much per click but the fact is it's a 20% reduction in what is taken out of a players pocket when they WAM.

well.. i would agree at 8%.. since i have companies... even tho we need money for co, to defeat serbs... hmm it's a hard decision, but with 10% we are paying a lot.and many players left for turkish cz or anything else...
i'd go for a 8% 🙂

8-9% would be cool, if anything it would make newer players stay a little longer, and hopefully bring back more players.

Take off for a little bit to do real life work..........we were talking about taxes.

Come back, and we're talking about taxes.

Anybody stop to think that the reason we can't keep new players is because ALL WE TALK ABOUT IS TAXES, AND THEY DON'T UNDERSTAND IT?

They don't know how it works, or the meta game parts of the tax policy, or any of that. If I were brand new, I would read these articles and gtfo. Seriously. Can we at least have some sort of fun discussion to mix in with the tax discussion? You keep new players with good ole nationalism, party politics, and fun. Not "10% to bolster the national treasury vs. 8% to attract old players that have left to foreign tax havens".

I understand the importance of tax discussions, but honestly, can't we use the forum for it, and leave the in game media to things that newer players will actually give a crap about? If people don't check the forums to find the tax stuff, chances are they don't understand the tax stuff to begin with, or they don't care about it. 😉

To be fair this is the first time in about 3 months that the work tax has taken center stage.

Well, let me stir this pot just a little more. I have in the past been a proponent of a 5% to 8% WAM, however I also want to be able to slap Serbia around like a step child; so not only am I now a supporter of a 10% tax -you might even be able to convince me to raise it as high as 12%....

12% would just about match what Serbia brings in at 1%

Well, currently I am for staying at 10% more or less permanently, before WAM Tax arrived the tax was 20% to 25%....

In that case u should start raising our import tax to at least 20%. U allow our e-ennemys to find a market for their goods !

I have always supported a high Import Tax to discourage such product dumping; I would encourage you to Congress at Public Congressional Proceedings and voice your opinion....

I would like to point the fact that Serbia has 99% Import Tax....

They are right, why import foreign products before selling their stuff?

We should raise the import tax over 50 ÷ at least.

sounds good

It costs me $52.60 at the moment to make $20.48 worth of q3 tanks atm, I'm not sure that altering the tax 2% is going to fix what seems to be an entirely broken economy.

Nothing short of Admin will fix the economy, you live with what you have....

Reduce as much as you can. Lighten up on gov't MU supplies if you can.

I am a Federalist. I stand by our 10% current rate.

lol i might have just grown tired of this cya xd

Go back to being brainwashed by PseudoReagan

no i mean i'll be coming back permanently to comment on every dumb thread your puppet masters make and to start working on taking down your gov again 😃 i'll cya around 😃

Who exactly are my puppet masters?? I got together with a couple other congressmen and we decided to pursue this.

10 % is way too high .. I'd say 3% is reasonable..