Death of an Institution: ISP-IUP Merger
Ronisu
Greeting Citizens,
You may want to check out the original announcement:
Gerald's Announcement of the ISP-IUP Merger
Note: Made TWO Hours after PP Election Confirmations
I have received information that has been highly concerning as pertains to the IUP-ISP Merger. Through the presentation of this evidence I seek to prove that this is nothing more than a mission to take over a longstanding political party without discussion by either party.
First off, let me introduce you to the the ISP Feed, sent to me by a member of the ISP. You will notice no mention of the merger until the article posting. Also, you will notice that Andrew M. Baker is a member of the ISP before the PP elections began.
On the topic of Andrew M. Baker, he himself convolutes the scenario as he is a week-old member of eRepublik, recruited by Gerald Smyth... Really?!
Finally the IUP Stream, provided by a member, demonstrating that is is indeed an undiscussed issue. Andrew M. Baker has no posts in the feed before 2 days ago, wins the election ans in a matter of a TWO hours of confirmation the two of them agree on a merger.
It is astonishing that these two felt they could get by without public scrutiny. Part of what gives eIreland it's strength and interest are the heated discourse and opinions that get voiced. How dare people presume they can simply walk in and force issues the way they like without consulting their constituents. Last I checked we were a Democracy, even on the Party scale, and it desheartens me that a week-old, first-termer who ran unopposed could bring down an institution like the IUP. In addition, how do ISP members and supporters feel about all this? Anyone who has worked in eIre party politics for a while knows that a party is more than it's listed parts.
PS: I highly appreciate an encourage youthful participation, just ask many of our IFP members. It is when that participation moves to control or destroy in which I object.
Thanks,
Ronisu
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From what I know of this merger, surveys were to be sent out before any changes would occur. But to be honest, each party is very inactive, especially the IUP. I heard there's talk of keeping the IUP instead. Nothing I can confirm, though.
Andrews, you are in close association with both Gerald and Andrew. Eliminating either party at this point is a crime. Also, the feed alone doesn't constitute party activity. There is no way due diligence was done in the span of 2 hours. This scheme will fail.
Also, so a merger is announced BEFORE either party is consulted, and then people will be consulted after the signed announcement. That definitely seems equitable, or rather like a dictatorial Napoleonic Plebiscite. "Oh dude, I'm Emperor, you guys opposed?"
I am in close contact with both Andrew and Gerald, yes. No changes have occurred at this point, and none will occur from what I know until there is a survey of how both party's members feel about this. Perhaps Gerald was a bit premature in announcing a merger, yes. The goal was to strengthen both parties and give them a bigger, unified voice. Not to merely destroy a party without any consultation and reign over it like a dictator.
Well, then perhaps Gerald and Andrew M. Baker would like to go ahead and issue a retraction and public apology for their utter mishandling of the situation? Or perhaps even post a comment as opposed to someone "close" to them who supposes to know the details and intent. The fact of the matter, the merger is nothing, even if your dreams come true and there is a merger, all that will happen is you three will be in the same party again and you will have disenfranchised dozens.
Just make your own political party, surely the three of you could have built something competitive and perhaps even a 5th Place party with the amount of effort that went into this debacle.
Lol. You can take up the apology with them when they're online. I thought I might try to shed some light on the situation, in a friendly manner. But it's pure ignorance to say you have the 'facts' and you know EVERYTHING going on, calling it a dictatorship or a scheme to destroy a party. I've admitted the error on Gerald's part for the over-eagerness of his article, but I won't allow someone to talk about something they hardly know much about.
Interesting bits of information here Ron - curious indeed.
A few screenshots of a party feed or two does not explain or shed light on this whole matter, especially with an overreaction from someone who cares so deeply about the IUP but does nothing to help it? Save me your deep love and affection for the IUP. I'm trying to help it and I'm trying to keep it around.
You say "I'm" however you are a member of the ISP. Now you are very similarly named to Andrew M. Baker, the President of the IUP. Sir, are you a multi? You also seem to bash my dedication to the IUP as an independent party, however I do ask you to look at my date of joining eRepublik. I have been in eIreland this whole time, do not suppose to tell me what I have and haven't worked for. I am the IFP PP and if two parties were similar enough to merge it was the IFP and IUP, however...
...we did not merge, as we are two of the oldest standing institutions in eIreland, predating the wipes. Do you "three" even appreciate history? You claim to be trying to save the IUP, however the IUP got more congressmen this last term than even the IIP! Dead?! Try asking Bhane if the membership is inactive or if they are just older players that don't bother with Party Politics anymore. The evidence beat you "all" accept it.
Now I'm a multi because his name happens to be Andrew? Childish. Take it to the people who run eRepublik and let them check our IP addresses. I can promise you I met Andrew about a week ago, along with meeting Gerald. So please, be my guest. You seem to be making as many 'wild accusations' as I am. And if those IUP members care so much, how could someone come in and run for the PP unrivaled? It was my suggestion to keep the IUP around and if anything we switch from the ISP to the IUP.
Also, if you wish for proof, you may have my facebook and twitter and ask Andrew if he has one. I'm no multi. I used to play eRepublik 3 plus years ago. I'm an "old soul" too. I just didn't stick around the whole time unlike you. My first intentions were to either join for IUP or ISP and run for PP until Gerald asked me to be his VP in the ISP if he won.
I agreed to that because Lexone came into the ISP as an outsider and tried to change everything around and make the party into a completely different political party. I wasn't gonna risk taking votes from someone else and let Lexone do what he planned to do. So keep throwing wild accusations around and I'll keep explaining them. Again, don't speak on this current situation with "facts" when you don't have the facts.
Well... let's not defame Lexone, who is a nice guy and a great player. He has been active and involved for a long time and he is reliable.
The facts are in the article above. Anyone can look at it. The facts are, that Andrew M. Baker joined eRepublik a week ago, where he joined the ISP. He then moved to the IUP just before the PP elections to run in an uncontested election (which doesn't prove inactivity, just oldness). Within 2 hours of being elected he and Gerald issue a joint-statement declaring the merger. Due diligence was not met, THAT is a FACT. My true accusation is not that you all brilliantly took over a party...
...but rather that Andrew stumbled into a position and has misused it. Either that or Gerlad is a bit too confident in puppetry. You may or may not be a multi, but generally in the game we err on the side of suspicion when you see 2 characters, one younger than a month, one a week-old, both with similar names, involved in the same high-profile debacle. I'm not going to chase you down on Facebook. You and your team can either try to go about making this right, or you can keep proclaiming...
....that there is nothing to see here. You can take a poll if you like, but most people here would likely agree that I am a mild-mannered and responsible member of this community, so stop trying to discredit me and start trying to rebuild your own credibility. That stands for Gerald and Andrew as well.
I really don't care if you are errr about multi's. I know there are plenty of people in eIreland who probably have multis. I'm sure you know a few of them. I'm no multi. You again, can take it to the admin. Don't accuse me of being something and back off of it when I call you out. I haven't backed down from one accusation you've made and I've done my part to explain the true purpose. You continue to think you have the facts when you have two screenshots that show a small portion.
I do not need to rebuild my credibility either and I don't much care to destroy your credibility. I simply stated you don't have the facts and I tried to explain it to you in a nice way. But I can go back and forth with the best of them, no matter what my in-game age is. But I find it funny how you discredit any explanation, even if it fits and makes sense, and you go with two screenshots that show Andrew joining the IUP and something about a merger.
And I'm not trying to drag Lexone into this, it was only an explanation of why I sided with Gerald in the first place. I don't know much about Lexone except that he tried to take over the ISP and change their political stances all around.
"We are not bailing out on the party to join ISP.
You are a week old account declaring marshal authority, but that cannot force people to listen.
You are more than free to make that decision for yourself, though Andrew.
I wish you well in your new home.
Excellent work on quickly making an alt a week ago to run unopposed in the IUP elections. I don't know who your main account is, but I can hazard a few guesses.
If you want to be a leader of men you must give them something to follow. Your new account has not earned a reputation to convince people to follow you and kill one of Eire's oldest parties."
This is a quote by Bhane, one of the most recognizable names in the IUP and the #1 ranked player in eIreland. He is referencing Andrew M. Baker, but his suspicion is reasonable. I "backed down" because I only asked you if you were a multi, it is hardly important to demonstrating that some sketchy work going on here. Not only that, but you are expending a ton of energy on trying to pick a fight with me, but I am a teddy bear when it comes to press articles, why don't you focus the energy on...
And that means what to me? I was in favor of sending out surveys and keeping the IUP instead. That has nothing to do with me anyway. That has to do with Andrew and someone calling him a multi. So again, I'd like more of your facts please..
...writing a brief to Gerald and Andrew on how that can start to make up for the egregious error.
I was never gonna attack you or even go back and forth like this. As you can see from my first few posts, I was all for explaining it in a friendly manner. Don't try to play a victim role now, please. You throw around accusations, I will respond. I won't back down. It's that simple.
Maybe next time, ask questions that you want answers for. Don't start accusing based on two little screenshots without any chance of an explanation to all your questions or concerns.
In screenshot number two, I can be seen stating that I have big plans for the party.
No further comment at this time.
And as I've admitted, Gerald made an error writing that article in my opinion. I've already stated that twice, and now three times.
My friend, this is what the Press does, we provide information to the general populace. If you think that information is minor and insignificant, then fine, make your own article showing even more evidence. Also, would you please dillineate the accusations in the article? I believe the accusations are that a week-old account signed an agreement to merge the oldest party in eIreland within 2 hours of being confirmed without due diligence in the IUP. Do you care to deny that?
Yes, because "wonderful plans for the party" of the IUP serves as due diligence in notifying and gauging the public opinion of the members on whether or not they should merge with the ISP, a party that has regularly been on the opposite end of the spectrum politically.
Accusations through your comments, not your article. I voted up your article and thought it a nice read, though it lacked quite a bit of information. So I thought I would explain it.. as I've stated many times. I'm not sure that's registering in your brain. You put together a conspiracy, nothing more.
Gerald is a real life friend of mine. I played erepublik in the past and he asked for me to play again last week. We've been discussing the merger since I joined again. I'm on my mobile device, so it's hard for me to comment..
So Andrews, what accusations have offended you? I asked you whether you were a multi, is that it? Care to ask me if I'm a multi? Do you think I would go blitzkrieg on you for asking me? You made a suspicious comment, I really don't think it constitutes a high crime to ask you if you are one...
As an aside, I am not a multi, nor do I have multis. My roommate plays the game, two fraternity Brothers play the game and a friend of mine from a past employment plays the game.
Also, for your information the Administration is surprisingly poor at multi prevention, and also doesn't use IPs in the detection of multis.
Lol you hardly just 'asked.'' It was more of a foregone conclusion in your mind. I also haven't gone blitzkrieg. I can kick it up a few notches, but I'd rather not. And they used to use IP's a long time ago. I suppose that's changed? I remember being banned on my old name because my cousin created an account from my computer, which is the primary reason I just stopped playing altogether. I put a lot of time into my old name and it got removed over something as simple as that.
I wouldn't take this game so serious to make multiple accounts.
As for the accusations, you can skim through your statements and see them. You take your opinion that you see from a few small 'facts' and an ill-timed article, something that I've admitted was an error, and end up stating your opinion as fact. How this is some crime, a dictatorship, how it's oh so suspicious that my last name and another guys first is similar. I came here to explain and answer questions that people might want to know, not have a cyber fight.
Also, I owe loyalty to no one. I do what I think is best for eIreland. You can go read an article I posted earlier. I'm disappointed at the shape eIreland is in. I want what's best for our homeland. I don't crave power or anything of the sort, so for me to scheme to takeover and destroy a political party makes no sense.
I did not call the situation a dictatorship, I referenced it to the plebiscites of Napoleon, using dictatorial to reference the plebiscites. I do think the manner in which this is being done is anti-democratic though. I do feel this is a crime against the IUP and ISP, that is hardly wrong for me to believe. I do think the naming situation added to other facts is a bit suspicious, but much of that is because neither of you have had enough time to form an identity in the nation.
Also, giving you the benefit of the doubt, you may not crave power, but that doesn't mean the other two figures don't.
No. I understand some of the backlash because of the article. I understand that. But all the other conclusions and statements I don't agree with. I've always been one to wait for the full story, not to draw conclusions and conspiracies as to what's happening. I don't speak for the other two figures as to craving power, but I haven't seen any of it personally, and there were plans to take polls and surveys before any plan actually went into place. It wasn't a "do as we say" deal.
And if there was really something to hide, I wouldn't have come out so publicly and discussed it openly. I know how politics work, and that's not something most politicians do.
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The fact he went unopposed says something about the party's activity...
Not reading through 40+ comments x2
IUP has not been highly active within the party MB. But, I am comfortable here, and the peacefulness suits me just fine. I can always wear a temporary banner of another party to run for TD when we slip below the top 5.
Just saying but I doubt it is even going to work very well if you even tried to get this to happen.
I'm not quite sure what the point of the 40+ comments as this is what I got from them:
Surveys were sent out if people wanted this after the apparent "merger" idea was confirmed by the party president.
You're a multi.
Am not!!! Just going to randomly mention Lexone.
Pffft Lexone has nothing to do with this.
You're a multi!!!
Am not!!!
more name calling
degrades more and more etc.
I love popcorn
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