[eUK] Keith is a scrub
WayneKerr
The Pirates have a long history of being bullied by the 'community'.
The attacks upon the party (at the time it was UKPP) when I joined the game was the sole reason I picked this bunch, I like an underdog. For weeks I sat and watched, taking in the scene, seeing which lines joined to whom, all the while the other parties, being lead by TUP, repeatedly attacked one party, calling them Nazi's and racists, attempting to organise PTO's of the party, blah, blah, blah. You've all seen it a thousand times by now, you understand.
I saw certain members of that group being singled out for most of the abuse, while anybody connected to them or the party were in effect, exiled from the wider community. What was their (and what would go on to be our) crimes against the community? Having a purposefully provocative name in SirNick and being willing to spend money, Alfagrem.
From my point of view as a young fresh player, the rules were set, by high level TUP members, who were propped up by many hundreds of TUP member votes. Attacks upon parties and individuals was fair game. This was the culture I was born into, the dog eat dog environment I was raised in. Say the wrong thing, support the wrong man, vote the wrong way and you'd be set upon and shunned, be that having access to the forums (which at the time was were the meta which ruled the land was played) denied or being permabanned from the IRC channels. Totally excluded from the 'community'.
This was a tactic the 'Establishment' used repeatedly to anybody that stepped out of line and for the most part it worked. Most either didn't bother interacting with the 'community' or played it safe. ESO, UKRP and the original PCP (peoples commie party) were kept in line by fear. TUP played the tune and with very minor dissent, they went along and danced. It was an internal squabble about how to combat TUP's dirty tactics and attacks on UKPP that led to Don Dapper creating New Era. Quite possibly eUK's most 'bullied' man, certainly up there with Goku, anyhow, and we all know what he was finally pushed in to attempting...
So whats the point of this article? Well, Keithunderpants seems to reckon that the eUK's culture and values are that of democracy and inclusivity and not that of bullying and exclusion. Culture and values are learnt behaviours. We pick them up from the norms of the majority that we are surrounded in. As I've shown above and the countless examples that people can find, the culture we have is indeed one of bullying and exclusion.
It's been a repeated fixture of eUK's history books, at the center of every scandal, lies a TUP member. By being the dominant political force in the eUK, simply by sheer number size, it is them that dictate the main overriding culture and values, not the minority. You can't cry out in pain Keith, while at the same time punching someone!
You helped perpetuate the climate we have/had, you are complicit in it, as am I, as is everyone. The difference between me and you though, Keith.
Wayne
Always makes me smile...
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Keith is a commietard
Now just why, oh why, would people call Nick Griffin a racist?
Makes no sense.
So because he used a provocative name, one that he knew would illicit a certain reaction hence why he stuck Sir at the front of it, is justification for hounding him and anyone associated with him?
So he put out some bait and people bit? Don't see why you're complaining, it's the kind of thing that's brought on.
Besides, I spoke to the guy, he genuinely liked Nick Griffin and was racist. Up to the individual if that's the kind of thing you hound people for, or stick to.
I spent a hell of a lot of time with Nick during his tenure here. I didn't find him to be racist. Those around him and the party at the time, of all colours and stripes didn't find him racist. It appears to me that the only ones who do/did are the ones who took the bait.
To me Thedark, people are much more than just what they dislike. So long as your hate is not impacting me or those around me, you can hate whatever you like.
Well everyone sticks by their friends eh
Not in every situation, that would be silly.
If my mate is goose stepping around town showing hateful behaviour to passers by then I'd have a problem with it. If he's privately disliking such and such based on skin colour, eye colour, hair colour, whatever, what the fuck do I give? A man should be free to do as he pleases within his own head. When those thoughts lead to actions that is when it becomes an issue.
Each to their own.
But I mean, the point still stands, if you name yourself after the most infamous racist of the day, do not be surprised when people say you're racist.
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Literally there was always someone attacking someone, since I remember. I mean even the first time I became UKPP party president, ages ago now,, straight away I was attacked by Reform party members for many things. We insulted each other so much :3
Fun times. The game consists of finding things to insult each other over. If we all have to be nice to each other and respect each others feelings, I don't think it's a place I want to hang around.
I often mention the time when I didn't like you or the Dental Corps, especially when you changed the party name to Wanker 😁 We called DC and it's members many different names 😁
Or how much we attacked Addaway, but he is a better player than 90% of current TUP
For all his flaws, Addaway had a massive set of bollocks. He was quite happy to stand up and take his licks and he was also prepared to dish em out. Very few of the guys left nowadays have that 'stick ya head above the parapet' mentality.
DC didn't do things to be liked, we did em cuz they were necessary!
Wayne...you're a prick
>eUK
>democracy and inclusiveness
huh?
commie virtue signalling
So basically you've written an article criticising and blaming everyone else for attacking you and your friends and then at the first opportunity stated that this is exactly what you like :-
"The game consists of finding things to insult each other over. If we all have to be nice to each other and respect each others feelings, I don't think it's a place I want to hang around."
So what exactly do you want?
I haven't criticised anyone. I'm simply pointing out to Keith that he's a hypocrite. You know only too well what I've advocated for, for many years. It's big girls blouses such as yourself and your fellow TUP friends that created such an atmosphere here. We simply looked at the precedent set by TUP members and followed suit. It just happens that Pirates are made of sterner stuff, we don't run away from our battles.
Story of TUP's modern history:
Create situations
Blow up in your face
Run away claiming victimhood
The question is what exactly do you want, Paul?
You leave the country and announce you never coming back, them you come back, then you again leave and say you never coming back, then you join a part, leave it, then go back, then you announce you are leaving the game, then you don't leave, etc...
I jumped on the pirate ship then realised they are so out lost to sea
Yeah, the problem with parties is that anyone can jump in and claim to be a Pirate...
i guess i lost my pirate badge that i understand
I only recently joined the TUP
I really had no choice as a I got sick of the pirates continuously ptoing my party.
I stand by what I said.
Your party was called "ex-PCP" since it "merged" with TUP to PUP and in the description it said "This is a dead party, join TUP", so your argument is invalid.
I voted against joining the TUP and refused to join it when the merge happened
Your party was called "ex-PCP" since it "merged" with TUP to PUP and in the description it said "This is a dead party, join TUP", you were PP during all that time, so your argument is invalid.
You changed your party name long before PCP became ex-PCP but then I never expect you to be accurate!
And the name change is relevant to this how?
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We changed our name around the time TUP became PUP and TUP only became PUP after they had cannibalised oldPCP.
Another lie and here is proof from your own 'Pravda' https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-euk-latvians-are-chickens-2652155/1/20
Keithunder is a pirate cat wannabe, he was told he couldn't be a sailor, that's why he's salty.
The TUP/PCP alliance goes way back... https://www.erepublik.com/en/main/newspaper/dailyworkeruk-199392/4
You had long since given up the right to the acronym before we stumbled upon the epic Pirate theme.
It was an alliance because we were 2 separate parties we were still the PCP and the alliance was to give us seats in congress. We only formed an alliance with the TUP when ESO broke up the old WRP/ESO/PCP alliance
If you join an online game calling yourself Sir Nick Griffin, while openly supporting the BNP, you have to expect a certain level of abuse...
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Whats wrong with being white and proud?
So, what's your point?
If you join a online game sporting a hammer and sickle, while openly supporting Communism, you have to expect a certain level of abuse...
Basically if you join any online community, you can expect some level of abuse. I've been an open supporter of such practices. Rage can often be a great retention tool.
I just find it hypocritical of people to not expect abuse back when they dish it out.
"ESO, UKRP and the original PCP (peoples commie party) were kept in line by fear."
Wayne - much as I do enjoy your ramblings sometimes I do wonder what parallel universe you exist in....
The only fear in the UKRP is one of dozing off and spilling one's Sipsmith and Fever Tree....
I'd agree, but you can see it's kinda difficult for onlookers to know the difference between apathy brought about via suppression and the more common garden variety. I remember those times (part of New Era) and for sure their wasn't anyone who made a convincing stand against the long gone behemoth that was TUP.
When I think back to my younger days, I don't remember you. You weren't an important UKRPer, it's only really after my CP term, which was nearly 2 years into my time here that your name has been cropping up. You guys did what TUP wanted you to do, said the things that would please TUP and pretty much threw your weight behind them 9 times out of 10. I'm talking 2012-13 era. They were the formative years of my eLife, the time when I was absorbing the culture and learning the unwritten rules of the eUK. Yet it was us apparently that created such a culture. Monkey see, monkey do, springs to mind.
The attempt to smear the Pirates is laughable. All we did was do the things that were already eUK norms and do them better than the rest. The Genie don't like going back in to the bottle...
And Wayne - I don't remember you either - but I think that this can be put down to advancing age rather than anything else...
Tbh certacito, he is right, you were absolutely unimportant for UKRP in those days, only when the top guys stopped playing, left or just stopped caring you came into spotlight, but from then it is basically an unimportant (not to say dead) party.
I wasn't being insulting Cert. I genuine only really heard of you since I returned back to the game.
when you pto other parties for fun, when you steal the treasury for fun, when you steal other parties initials for fun. when you scheme to get a village idiot in as CP for fun, Your just a douche with nothing positive to help the UK in this game.