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I'm glad there is someone in the UK to explain the situation so we don't have to listen to the propoganda spouted by Keers designed to hurt the country just cos the poor dear didn't get his own way.

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/courtesy-from-wayne-2394440/1/20

So was the exact same thing in UKPP last year a PTO or not?

Because both DC and TUP said not 🙂 I guess now it's to your disadvantage you guys think differently 😛

Whoops, I'm bad at replying. See below.

Plus I'm not saying this isn't a PTO either, but TUP members not voting for TUP will inevitably hurt the country by giving more power to the Serb PTOers. It's their choice to not vote if they don't want DC guys in, but they'll be shooting themselves in the foot.

we don't do PTO's, we do FTO's

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I didn't pay that much attention to that to be honest, I was inactive and not in DC at the time. Ask Wayne, he works the string attached to my mouth.

heil a New Era at TUP

a new dawn has broken, has it not?

To line up the avatars like that as well...nice touch

Vote DC Corps!

sometimes, I don't know what is worse: TUP, serbian PTOers or DC.

Join and vote WRP for a decent , spotless and genuine approach to politics.
There's no need to attack others to make policies or play a game.

indeed, if you have no interest in playing the game join WRP...

I must congratulate DC on how well they have handled this situation and wish them the best of look in the congress elections. If TUP don't like their PP then they shouldn't have voted for him in the first place. They HAVE to admit that this congress list is good for the eUK and if they can't then there is other parties they can vote for (New Era not included). Then next month they can vote someone in who they can control to keep giving them congress medals month after month while providing the eUK with no progression.

You're getting a little bit of annoying. When the Serbians PTOed your party last month, I wonder if you guys also supported the PP then? I mean shouldn't have voted for him in the first place? inb4 they were serbian ptoers, well guess what kid, these ones were non TUP and DC in this case too mainly.

Secondly, eUK has gone fine in hands of TUP, because if being a founder of alliance with the damage we do is not progression, then aren't you one ungrateful kid.

Kid? Yeah okay I'm the one acting like a kid! A Serbian PTO of our party was a bad thing which was done by multis and not UKPP members (you can look at the amount of multis we banned in the party afterwards)

This 'PTO' isn't bad for your party in fact it is the completely opposite. It gives you a fresh prospective and fresh way to pick your congress lists by including to ones who want to make change and not just the ones who constantly fill up congress just for the 5g and a chance to click yes to every MPP which has already been approved by the alliance. An alliance which wasn't founded just by TUP but by the whole of the eUK.

Yes, you're acting like a kid. A PTO is a PTO, whether a multi does it, a person does it or whoever does it. A PTO is a PTO, there is no good PTO.

It is bad for our party, our congress lists is one of the best always. At least it was two months ago when I was PP. This was agreed by Wayne himself. Most activity was by TUP congress members too. We don't need your perspective, you may think we need your perspective, but clearly more people support what and how we do things right now, otherwise they wouldn't vote for us again and again and stay in our party. There are many more parties to go to, yet they stay.

An alliance which the TUP leadership secured us a place into. If we really are so bad, that wouldn't have happened. The person you keep on making fun of for having a lot of congress medals has done a lot of UK behind the scenes, you people are just really fast to forget things.

Why is it a PTO?

Because the people running are not what you expected or wanted?

So if TUP have dominated congress for the recent past why do we have so many MPP's that don't stop us getting wiped, allies that don't fight for us in our time of need?
DC have given you a better set of congressmen, not a load of old hands that for all their claims of knowing whats best produce poor results. and MWC being elected was as much a surprise to us as it was to some of you guys.

Also just because you got in the club with the old TUP members that think they still have influence, doesn't mean you can just say things and them be right or perceived to be, developed quite a "stick up your ass" you have.

Because they're not from our party. No one is almost.

Also, I've offered in the past to run you, I've no problem with you running from the TUP platform, but a full DC party is just not okay.

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They clearly are in the party or they wouldn't be running for congress

Wars and MPP stacks are quite complicated issues. UK is not the only country having a war, and it doesn't help when we've been in a state of perma war almost. Also, our allies have been very helpful. There have been numerous instances where Poland, Spain, USA have itself given it's NE to deal with our problems.

Also, TUP never had 50 % of the congress, usually 13 out of 40 seats and you don't need a lot of maths to figure out if our moves were so ridiculous, they would have had been outvoted to a NO easily.

Gee Sambo, the PTOers also were CLEARLY in the party. Are you guys hit in the head or something?

Almost every 'decisive' battle has been lost, and not by a margin that is unattainable given the amount of damage available from our allies.

Dont hide behind your non majority in congress, you have consistently had enough congressmen to have significant influence, changing MPP's or reducing them is hardly 'ridiculous' and you noting them as that shows how you are also simply following the old party lines regardless of scenario. You should have taken the lead with pushing forward things that were necessary rather than presiding over a near permanent state of mediocracy.

You know what's funny? The current CP is a DC and has full TUP backing. I hate to bring in NWG here because he's a really nice guy but it's his responsibility if we lose important battles as you see. FragUK is also MoD. What's wrong with them? It's basically coming on you. TUP has given you the MPPs possible, no more can be signed. Why aren't they being utilized well? It's no longer our mistake.

Yeah, NWG and Wook to name two DC CP's have and in NWG's case are doing excellent jobs, you have actually provided them with MPP's that drain finances to a greater extent than to provide damage, Saying its no longer your mistake is just typical. Not even aware that there is a problem half the time, and the rest trying to cover the facts to retain power.

Like I said, NWG has TUP's complete backing. If he wants to drop MPPs, he's welcome to do so. He's the one who proposes them, we vote on it usually as per CP's recommendation. Has he done so? No he hasn't! Should go question DC before you pin it on us.

On the contrary, it is the purpose of congress to debate and vote on these things, TUP's monotonous grip of inactive players that vote for anything they are told to, continues to provide us with this situation. Do you even realise why congress is there? to provide ratification of Proposed ideas, not just to sign off everything the CP wants. My issue isn't with the specific singular issues that I would personally change, but the TUP view that sits not even their problem or responsibly to deal with, continuing to provide inactive congressmen

The MPPS at first were debated and then signed. Whenever there's a question of resigning them, we usually do it without a problem. CP's recommendation is important since he's more aware of the current affairs mostly and has the trust of the congress. As long as we win wars, I don't see the problem in changing things. Yes, we've been winning wars mainly. I don't care about battles, wars is what I care about, and so do others I hope. Also, you do realise you're basically just saying allies suck, they don't help us, they should leave their battles and worry for us instead, because apparently we're more important.

I can't say for past month as I wasn't around but before that, TUP had one of the most active congress members. You haven't even been in the congress man, how on earth do you know who's active or not?

Crying for the sake of crying much?

Ive played the game in the past so don't try and call that one. You say there is never a problem with resigning them, that is of course because you all vote like sheep, Congress should be up to date on foreign affairs, why bother choosing candidates if you just listen to the CP, anyone is capable of listening and clicking.
My idea of winning a war isn't being wiped or almost wiped. Not many countries of our size suffer sustained wiping unless bordering a country like the USA or Poland, so of course we will win the war in the end.
our allies could perhaps help us when an airstrike is landing, or when were trying to close a border. with the numerous MPP's we have this shouldn't be an issue at all, yet it is. Would be cheaper to pay mercenaries.

I haven't seen you in congress in past 4-5 months so you've no grounds to assume what congress has done and is whether active or not. There's nothing wrong with our MPP stack, if debating stupid obviously correct things is your idea of congress activity, i can but lol.

You don't really get it... If you think congress debating things is silly i worry that you have had a chance in congress at all.

This isn't a PTO though. A PTO would involve people from outside voting someone from the outside into power. MWC has been in TUP for a while and was voted in by TUP members. DC was busy helping with the ATO unlike TUP who's members didn't come to help (I know Woldy did a lot to help but can't think of anyone else).

Grow up and accept that the party leadership might not always do something that you want. A strong congress (which is what this WILL provide) is better for the eUK than not voting and allowing Serbians and pro-Serbian New Era members into congress. I can't believe how obvious a fact that is yet you're too busy crying LIKE A KID to see it.

Woldy is a PCP member

that's even worse then

Haha, not really. If we decide to PTO you guys the next month, it's still a PTO. PTO does not have to be foreign players. It's a takeover, anyone saying otherwise is really out of touch with reality.

TUP did work for the ATO, ask Woldy if I personally helped or not. Go ahead, I'm sure you will trust his response.

This party leadership was already voted by NON TUP, which was DC, who very happily after the elections claimed to have helped him win.

DC have immaturely tried to cause a divide in UK politics just for their sake of fun while endangering UK. If you don't see it, I wonder who's the kid here.

You can't call sambo a kid, he is basically a pensioner.

Well, my bad then. If he really is so old, fair enough. I take back the kid line.

Once again... MWC was elected by popular demand... not by DC

Once again, DC themselves said they helped him get elected.

Pensioners even worst Zap 😛

PTO: When a highly organized group from a densely populated Country moves into a separate country and gains political power of said country by out numbering other citizens in an election.

Let's change that into this setting which is a party and not a whole country, despite the fact some TUP members think their party is the whole damn country. I still don't understand how TUP voting in one of their own members in a fair election can be considered a PTO.

The definition you used is for the PTO of a whole country. In this case foreign elements came in and PTOed it, so it's still a PTO.

The problem is that the person was firstly elected by non TUP and now is running non TUP. How is this so hard to understand?

I know it's for a whole country which is why I said change it too a party setting. The erep wiki definition doesn't include party PTOs. My bad for not making that clearer for you

mwc was 5 votes behind before we even knew he was running for PP. You can't spin facts LF, it just don't work.

So what? It's still a PTO. It's something generally accepted and when people from other parties run to one party, it's a PTO. Or TO. Whatever floats your boat. . That wiki can be changed by ANYONE, I can go and edit it right now, I've an account.

Wayne you yourself said you helped him win it. 😑

You don't have to show off to us the fact you have a wiki account. You're basically saying that every time a new PP is elected that is a PTO. That my friend, despite any wiki editing you do, is completely untrue

Nope, I'm not saying that. I'm saying when the PP runs EVERY member from some completely OTHER party, it's a PTO then. It's common sense. I know you know this and are just trying to make a fool out of other people who read it, but trust me, they're more intelligent than you think.(I hope)

mwc lead a very public change in UKPP once upon a time, he has gone on to be CP and PP of TUP, clearly he is adult enough to make his own decisions. TUP knew this as did us all and chose him as PP..who he decides is on the congress list is down to him.

And how can TUP PTO a private invite only MU???

TUP did not know this. Last time TUP elected him, he clearly DID not run members of other parties. He was mature then, not sure what suddenly got into him. Also, I wasn't there then myself but from what I heard MWC PTOed UKPP and then spent time trying to fix his broken reputation?