The Economist ~ Notes on the Hungarian question
Spite313
Dear friends,
I’m going to write a very brief article on this, purely because nobody else has. I think Hungary leaving Asteria is probably the major defining event of the opening round of the Asteria war and yet the international media coverage of it has been very poor. I guess that’s because the internal reasoning behind it has been obscured by several people on both sides, and also because nobody wants to offend Hungary by speculating. Fortunately people are used to me being offensive, so I can do what I want. Hurrah for being old.
To set the backdrop for those of you without maps or eyes, the conflict began as a result of Hungary spreading their way across the whole of central Europe in a thin green line from Russia in the East to France in the West. This effectively cut off Poland and the other North European Sirius countries from interfering in the balkans. Whether this was intentional or not I am not sure, but Poland was very unhappy about attacking Hungary because out of all the Asteria countries, they probably like Hungary the most.
In any case, the arrival of Chile meant that war with Hungary was inevitable, and Poland agreed to help mainly to free Slovakia who have been allies of Poland since forever. In addition the intervention of Bulgaria freed Ukraine, another country which has been fighting for Sirius of late. And so there were three NE proposals on Hungary, and several RWs sprang up at the same time. Hungary’s empire looked likely to follow Serbia’s into the black hole of nevermore.
At this point Hungary complained in various channels about the Romanian-Bulgarian NAP (which was ironically signed to prevent RO ending up in a ping pong war in the balkans) because it did not include Hungary. They demanded that the Romanian government declare war on Bulgaria to take them out of the war. Romania refused. So Hungary made an ultimatum that if Romania didn’t launch a successful NE, they would leave Asteria. A few hours later, they did.
Now for a little bit of analysis. Hungary and Romania were never going to work together in a single alliance. I can’t blame Serbia for being optimistic about it, but the problems run much deeper than they thought. I wrote a while ago that it was impossible for this to work, since they would never fight for each other, thus defeating the purpose of an alliance. This was proven when several leading Romanians fought against Hungary for Chile, and shouted for others to do so as well.
But what will they decide?
Romania themselves I guess have been the more conciliatory faction in this, but whether that was because they were genuinely willing to kiss and make friends with Hungary or they just wanted to convince Serbia they could be buddies I’m not sure. Romania's political class is younger than Hungary's, or at least has a shorter memory. In any case the end result is that Serbia is now allied with Romania and merely friends with Hungary- something I guess nobody in Serbia or Hungary imagined would happen.
I will go out on a limb and suggest that the SerHun friendship was the deciding factor for Hungary in which alliance to choose. Serbia (and possibly Slovenia) are Hungary’s only real friends in Asteria, with the rest as allies of convenience. Not that there is anything wrong with that- all friendships begin somewhere- but obviously in terms of emotional pressures on Hungary, it was the Serbian friendship which pushed them to swallow Romanian membership and join Asteria.
Now I watched those battles, and Serbia was there throughout fighting for Hungary. The problem is nobody else was really. SerHun alone was not enough to beat the combined forces of Sirius and Aurora, and so they ended up back in their cores. Serbia alone was not enough to keep them in Asteria, but it’s enough to keep them from joining Sirius or Aurora- so far at least. That friendship binds them, since they can’t fight against Serbia despite the fact many of them don’t care much for their other allies, especially Romania.
Many people have speculated about a possible Hungarian NE on Romania. The problem is that this would mean losing most of their MPPs, also weakening the position of Serbia who would then be forced to choose and lose a friend however they decided to fight. On the other hand, now they have left Asteria Hungary cannot call on allies for help, only friends. As previously discussed, that means Serbia and Slovenia and not many others. So a big Empire seems unlikely.
In conclusion right now the way I see it Hungary is trapped by their friendship with Serbia into supporting Asteria without any real benefit for them. The future of the country lies in the hands of a national elite which is reputed to be deeply divided on the issue. Whilst I can’t see this change having a huge military gain or loss for any alliance, it does have a profoundly negative effect on Hungary itself. How much longer they tolerate this catch 22 situation before they move one way or another is the question at hand.
Iain
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Mrzi me citati, ali samo da kazem da ce Madjarska da ostane uz Asteriju.. 🙂
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If Hungary decides to leave current allies they will be in extremely hostile environment. In that calculation it's not included relationships between Hungary and most of Asteria countries, so this "Hungarian question" is not realistic. Not only because Hungarian friends, but because of geopolitical situation
Not really, Hungary and Poland are friends IRL and nobody in the Sirius/Aurora bloc has anything against them. It would be possible for Hungary to pursue a neutral path or a path with their current enemies. I am not suggesting that is the best decision for them, but that option is open for them.
Open, yes, like it's possible for croatians to leave their homeland in India,but highly unrealistic. Now Hungary is bordered mostly by allies, and every change in course of politics will turn that upside down.
Hungary is bordered by Serbia and Slovenia who are allies, the rest are not.
if Hungary decides to turn back on Serbia and Slovenia, I think that in the long run Hungary will not be so friendly towards old allies. In time, all people change...
Chile haves problems with them. Remember that they were the first TWO country to sign mpp with Arg and attack Chile before the TWO-CoT war.
That act was saw in Chile like treason and many Chileans dosnt forget that.
its not true we hate the fyrocians as much as romanians we never a join alliance where romper is the hero...
Serbia and Hungary have been allies for 5 years. Iain is once again using propaganda to aid his Polish masters just like he used it against Slovenia back in November/December.
at least he is trying
Did you even read the article fool? The bit where i said Serbia was their oldest and best ally, and that they had joined Asteria for them?
You people really are annoying. You can't even read something you just spam your ignorant comments out of instinct.
Iain why do you write then, when you point obvious facts? Propaganda?
It's not obvious to everyone. It might be a bit clearer to you since you are a Serb, but I bet you don't know the relationships of every country in the game. I put that information in because that way people can see why I come to my conclusions.
I find it utterly hilarious that these people worked with me for years, saw that I have never been anyone's puppet and have never given a shit about propaganda, then now they accuse me of it purely to try and cover their asses from the truth. Embarrassing.
Its very confusing for me because as i remember Iain was the biggest romanian fanatic back to 2013...
I don't hate any country IRL and in the game it's only individuals I dislike not countries. I never said Romania were all evil cretins, I just said Romania and Hungary together is a disaster waiting to happen.
really good article in my opinion 😃
u said u'd write a very brief article 😛
That was brief- under 1000 words is brief 😛
That makes me wonder what a detailed analysis looks like.
hahahahahahaha
I seen many, Ian can go really deep 😛
Very interesting, thanks for the analysis.
In the newest article from the serbian MOFA (which is written in cyrillic script and the text is posted as a picture so that Hungary can't read or translate it) Hungary is blamed that all of this even started. According to them, Hungary was trying to convince Bulgaria to attack Turkey and later on join Asteria (lol) but something went wrong because Bulgarian players didn't like an allience with Serbia and etc so they refused any cooperation with Asteria (including Hungary) and them when Chile showed up in Europe and NEs begin to fall on Hungary, Hungary was acting very childish and stupid. It was all Hungarys fault.
Hungary has chosen the wrong alliance from the start. They will be much better with Aurora. Poland, Croatia, Macedonia, Chile, etc they all like Hungary because of the friendship and cooperation from the alliances from the past.
Hail Hungary!
Childish and stupid because Hungary has set up an ultimatum to Romania (to attack Bulgaria - which was not in the alliance plan). Hungary wouldn't listen to Serbian commands although Hungary felt betrayed from Romania for not setting an NE on Bulgaria.
hahaha,yes we wrote it so Hungarians can't read it, it's all Illuminati xDD now licking Hungarian as*? wtf fylolians get some dignity dammit
It's not licking Hungarian ass. It's what's written in the official article from Serbia. It's felling sorry for an old and proven friend of Macedonia, and don't wanting it to be manipulated by Serbia.
oh, you are so full of sympathy for old ally...MPP usa again, backstabbing hypocrite. Go build monument to Philip II or Ataturk in Skopje xD
Felling low on arguments, facts and you can not longer hide the obvious truth? Well we have just the answer you need. Why don't you... TURN TO REAL LIFE!!
So, basic steps:
1) Low on arguments
2) Wanting to insult
3) Turn to Real Life nonsense
4) PROFIT
Low on arguments? Read your first comment, then talk about arguments 😃
go cry somewhere else, you ain't gonna get congress
Kheshig sto ima vrska sega toa dali nie sme firom ili makedonija so ova sto go napisa tiger ? koga nemate popametno nesto da kazete vednas pocnuvate da odite na taa karta -.-
simba ajde ukljuci vijuge,ovaj tvoj dosao da moli za kongres pa nasao da pametuje i moralise xD
that can be easily checked, you little lying fyromian.
Образ. Образ треба да има човек, Дио Максимус. И јас тебе можам да те зезам за Косово ама не сакам. Затоа што имам образ и почит. Да ти служи на чест за ФИРОМ. Фала.
Pa i jeste BJRM, posto je Makedonija regija i anticko grcko kraljevstvo, dok vi imate medjunarodno pravo na ime BJRM, samo ne znam sto vam i to daju kada vi sa Makedonijom imate samo delimicno geografske veze. To nije zezanje i pod*ebavanje, vec jasna istina. Prica o obrazu pripadnik...naroda koji potpise mpp sa amerima uprkos negodovanju saveznika a onda place kada dobije po usima i uvlaci se apsolutno svakoj drzavi u igri kako bi nekako obezbedili kongres u dva uzastopna meseca.
Апсолутно си некомпетентен да со тебе го разглабам името на мојата татковина. Толку околу тоа.
Србија имаше соработувано со Грција уште пред да Македонија потпише МПП со САД. Добро знаеш дека тоа не е никакво оправдување. Требаше да испаднете луѓе и само да кажете „Не сакаме веќе МПП со Македонија, сега сакаме со Грција“. И толку. Никому ништо. Али ај... И Македонија беше скарана со Полска а Србија имаше МПП со нив, па што?! Ништо.
Reci mi, da li je Srbija prvo potpisala MPP sa Grckom ili vi sa Amerima?
what's hangin willow lovers?
Chile dont like them. Remember that they were the first TWO country to sign mpp with Arg and attack Chile before the TWO-CoT war.
That act was saw in Chile like treason and many Chileans dosnt forget that.
We hate Fyroc they are the second worse country in erep after Romania.
You're wrong. A lot of Romanian fought for Hungary.
A lot of us defended CH. The Feeds and chanels where running with shouts for CH.
Thanks, but no thanks. Stay away.
Or what?
From the point I stay I see that Hungary defended succefully its core regions.
And if you say that not ALL the asteria countries done that, you're wrong. I was on the chats this day, I know what I'm saying.
I can't understund why, even after all this you have this superior atitude
Because simply not interested making steps forwards friendship between us. So your help not welcomed. Sorry.
That's no point giving you arguments. It's ok!
BDALTI, there's no point to further discuss this issue.
As long as the general opinion in both countries won't change, an alliance or collaboration between eHungary and eRomania will remain an utopia. The best we can hope for and work toward is neutrality.
I see a lot of Romanians are open to discussion. But not in the way we got them last week.
I think NightwatcherHUN is right, Hungary and Romania became strong countries thanks to their rivalry. I don't care about rl but here we had the most fun fighting each other, why stop?
Asteria helped Hungarian brothers, Iain and his Polish masters tried to erase it.Simple as that. I will write an article complete with logs to stop thiss retarded propaganda attempt from spreading lies. Fortunately i vuse kvirc andd save all logs so this won't be a problem.