The Annihilation
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The Annihilation; A.K.A The bullying
I am one of those that do not like Canada in this game. My dislike is not based on me disliking the average Canadian, my dislike is based on how their leadership act in closed rooms. I was very open with that eUS best expansion option is to take over Canada and I still stand by that. However, how this was done is purely disgusting. You do not take over an enemy and then mock them with a NAP* that basically makes them our slaves. You do not take over a country and spit in their face. What we did was knocking down the enemy and kept kicking and kicking. How would we in eUS react to such a NAP from Serbia? We would have cursed, spit, called them names, and the list goes on. Why is it that we think that it’s okay to treat our enemies with such disrespect yet expect others to treat us better?
We need to change
The process of making NAPs is not something that should be taken with ease and nonchalance. If we start to push for NAPs that make our weaker enemies our slaves we have nothing stopping stronger enemies from doing the same to us. Have we become our worst enemies Serbia while I was gone? Because quite frankly this NAP is not something that would even have been considered in the cabinets that I have been a part of. The eUS that I knew beat their enemies through war then treated them with respect to get benefits such as increased bonuses through the NAP without making sure that every single person of that country hated us.
But they were bad to us, now it’s our time to be bad back
So basically we leave our morals behind and become little kids in the school yard? “Buhu he started it!” Is this the mentality that we have embraced after just getting free from our TWO occupation? Claiming that we have the morale high-ground is not viable after this “attempt” to make a NAP.
Time to move forward
Do we respect our enemies and demand respect back or do we keep on doing like we just did? To me the answer is obvious, we start over fresh and settle this matter. They know that we are stronger in raw power, there is no need to slap that in their face. We have won the war and now it is time to make sure that we reap as much as possible from this. We will not benefit most from occupying all of Canada long term, that is something that will surely bite us in the asses.
This is not how you fight wars
War in eRepublik is all about profiting one way or the other. The profit of us taking over Canada comes from a boost in economy due to them having bonuses that we need. We benefit if we can go in and quickly secure bonuses and then turn our focus elsewhere. We do not want a long term war with Canada that soaks more and more of our damage in pointless wars. A good commander would have gone in, had a 7 day war with Canada and prepared a NAP in advance dictating reasonable terms that gives us the regions we need, insurance that the Canadian military won’t pursue active RWs against us and then focus elsewhere. How are we supposed to be a good ally if we turn our focus towards ourselves in a fight that is not needed? Foreign affairs in this game comes down to damage. If we choose to spend our damage in pointless wars while our allies suffer then we are not good allies, simple as that.
This is not what I call “Good FA”
When your alliance is fighting an important battle you stick together and do not run around solo. We used to be good at handling that and were never the ones that were behind on updating the CotD.
But we’re still winning so what are you talking about?
Ever noticed the COs? Those are what keep us alive right now. Huge amounts of money is being spent on keeping these regions to make up for bad politics. The congress knows exactly how much but that’s in the private congress forum.
Conclusion
This war should have ended after 7 days, it did not. This wastes the most valuable resource on eRep: Damage. This is not how you run wars and effective operations. This is not how you aid an alliance in becoming the dominant force of the eWorld. Do we want to kick a fallen enemy or do we want to become a top tier nation which runs a top tier alliance?
*The NAP: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-cp-usa-wants-slaves-2385151/1/20
The Annihilation; A.K.A The bullying
I am one of those that do not like Canada in this game. My dislike is not based on me disliking the average Canadian, my dislike is based on how their leadership act in closed rooms. I was very open with that eUS best expansion option is to take over Canada and I still stand by that. However, how this was done is purely disgusting. You do not take over an enemy and then mock them with a NAP* that basically makes them our slaves. You do not take over a country and spit in their face. What we did was knocking down the enemy and kept kicking and kicking. How would we in eUS react to such a NAP from Serbia? We would have cursed, spit, called them names, and the list goes on. Why is it that we think that it’s okay to treat our enemies with such disrespect yet expect others to treat us better?
We need to change
The process of making NAPs is not something that should be taken with ease and nonchalance. If we start to push for NAPs that make our weaker enemies our slaves we have nothing stopping stronger enemies from doing the same to us. Have we become our worst enemies Serbia while I was gone? Because quite frankly this NAP is not something that would even have been considered in the cabinets that I have been a part of. The eUS that I knew beat their enemies through war then treated them with respect to get benefits such as increased bonuses through the NAP without making sure that every single person of that country hated us.
But they were bad to us, now it’s our time to be bad back
So basically we leave our morals behind and become little kids in the school yard? “Buhu he started it!” Is this the mentality that we have embraced after just getting free from our TWO occupation? Claiming that we have the morale high-ground is not viable after this “attempt” to make a NAP.
Time to move forward
Do we respect our enemies and demand respect back or do we keep on doing like we just did? To me the answer is obvious, we start over fresh and settle this matter. They know that we are stronger in raw power, there is no need to slap that in their face. We have won the war and now it is time to make sure that we reap as much as possible from this. We will not benefit most from occupying all of Canada long term, that is something that will surely bite us in the asses.
This is not how you fight wars
War in eRepublik is all about profiting one way or the other. The profit of us taking over Canada comes from a boost in economy due to them having bonuses that we need. We benefit if we can go in and quickly secure bonuses and then turn our focus elsewhere. We do not want a long term war with Canada that soaks more and more of our damage in pointless wars. A good commander would have gone in, had a 7 day war with Canada and prepared a NAP in advance dictating reasonable terms that gives us the regions we need, insurance that the Canadian military won’t pursue active RWs against us and then focus elsewhere. How are we supposed to be a good ally if we turn our focus towards ourselves in a fight that is not needed? Foreign affairs in this game comes down to damage. If we choose to spend our damage in pointless wars while our allies suffer then we are not good allies, simple as that.
This is not what I call “Good FA”
When your alliance is fighting an important battle you stick together and do not run around solo. We used to be good at handling that and were never the ones that were behind on updating the CotD.
But we’re still winning so what are you talking about?
Ever noticed the COs? Those are what keep us alive right now. Huge amounts of money is being spent on keeping these regions to make up for bad politics. The congress knows exactly how much but that’s in the private congress forum.
Conclusion
This war should have ended after 7 days, it did not. This wastes the most valuable resource on eRep: Damage. This is not how you run wars and effective operations. This is not how you aid an alliance in becoming the dominant force of the eWorld. Do we want to kick a fallen enemy or do we want to become a top tier nation which runs a top tier alliance?
*The NAP: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-cp-usa-wants-slaves-2385151/1/20
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Couldn't agree more.
We are a top tier country helping to run a top tier alliance - this last month has seen eUSA at the top of the country tables and our alliance killing the opposing one under the guidance of a USA MC... what more do you want???
Yet we lost to Canada in a simple 3 pronged attack that we actually tried to win? Yet it takes 40 minutes to change orders when WE attack (Hell it wasn't even NSC but an officer from SF that changed it because they were too slow)? Yet we fail to be mobile and change plans according to world events? you apparently had a plan to let Canada take a region so you could kill the shield before congress, this was not fixed so that we could secure the French RW a lot easier when said 3 pronged attack happens?
When you pour millions into COs you will win more, which is the only reason we still have all those regions. We're not top-tier in military decision making, we are top-tier in spending money.
Cool Story Bro
Apparently cool enough for you to be out of ammo. Not even going to try to fight back a bit?
What's the point? You've already made up your mind it seems, and I really can't be bothered with trying to counter you given I worked roughly 30 out of the last 40 hours.
The point is if you comment you should be ready for counter arguments, yet when they come you just toss a nonchalant "cool story bro" and blame that you won't go further due to having worked a lot lately. And how do you know that I have made up my mind? Prove me wrong that we have not wasted a lot of damage lately, that we have had smooth operations and good orders, that we have participated well in our alliance battles.
You need to prove your assertions, not the other way about based on circumstantial evidence that is based on what you wish to be true. You are the "prosecution" in this "case" - it's up to you to provide the proof. From here it's still a "cool story bro" until you can do that., and the evidence I already presented above shows your underlying assertions to be in error... so... I'm not wasting more eBreath on it.
PM'd since it contains infromation not open to public.
Are you even being serious right now? I commented a few gigantic issues 3 comments up from this one. The one you cool storied. Want me to wrap it up all nicely for you?
From IRC to prove that the NSC can't handle orders:
[Redacted IRC logs]
(Note that the event broadcaster is delayed and not real time.)
There you have your asked for proof of the NSC can't even handle orders when we attack. If you want to hear further complaints I am sure that we can find a bunch of people on IRC to confirm this as well.
From Gnilraps own article to prove that there is no mobility in execution of plans:
http://prntscr.com/387fz6
Yet they are incapable of executing this plan at any other time when the chance comes along and urge people to fight for eUS against Canada while we're losing in France.
[Redacted IRC logs]
Proof that we can't handle 3 pronged attacks in RWs right now:
http://battle-watcher.com/campaigns/campaign/50511
Since this battle wasn't meant to be lost we failed to protect it, hence we can't protect ourselves if they really want to attack us. And this is even after using 20 cc / mil with over 40k in budget in D4 alone to try to win it. How long are we going to be able to fight against it? New NE every 2nd day, nice.
Is this proof enough for you that military operations do not run very smoothly? The things that I stated in my first comment with data to back it up.
(Just so people saw what was posted, the IRC logs were all that was removed)
So your "proof" that we aren't very good is a country is that when we have three RWs open against us and we choose to not concentrate on the least important ones to ensure the most important ones win, and we don't ask our allies to move away from more important stuff to help... we lose the third battle? lol
Oh, and losing to Canada in that last example was the choice we made from the above scenario - safe in the knowledge that we could NE them straight back and thus give everyone some nice NE battles for a change. I don't see a problem with that - some NE battles for all - that's a win as far as I can tell 🙂
Are you really trying to convince us that we spent several thousands of cc on a resistance war that we lost on purpose?
We could of course also criticize the fact that orders are outdated 20/7 (like right now, Ireland lost 1780😶 last round - while prio #1 is a battle with 60% walls. Nice one). And CotDs.
> "I don't see a problem with that - some NE battles for all - that's a win as far as I can tell 🙂"
Yes. Draining American damage. Much win.
If there's an NE battle, most people with the respective citizenship fight there to gain TP damage and a +10% bonus. Basically, while Venezuela is losing against PT ( http://battle-watcher.com/campaigns/campaign/50553 ), we don't care and are TP-whoring around. kk.
Now, Artela, would you be so kind as to prove your accusations, please?
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/the-prodigal-son-2389474/1/20#comment35873891
No n0s3. It's only us that have to provide the proof of things, they do not. And when we provide proof they just nonchalantly wave it away. You have proof in there that says that we didn't want to lose the battle and didn't plan to lose it, yet you want to claim that we did. Who am I supposed to listen to, the CP or you?
To paraphrase your opening statement, "I am one of those that do not like the US in this game."
It wasn't always like that, not even remotely. But I am playing the hand I was dealt.
Respect HeapSeppo, you remind me that there are always good people on any team when you look hard enough for them.
We're not all bad of us. I hope we can sort this mess that has been created.
Really good article.
Here I have to contradict you, Seppo. In my opinion you are judging a book by its cover.
Your article starts with the NAP that was proposed to Rylde. Rylde, the biggest troll of eUSA, suddenly asks for a NAP. You can't give him terms he'll accept the first time, it's normal to make him earn respectful terms. Instead, he proves what he's worth, gives up and goes to the media to complain about the big bad Uncle Sam. If I insult someone, I wouldn't expect them to treat me well and would definitely not go back crying under my mum's skirt..
You say the war should have ended in a week or so. First, it did take 10 or more days to conquer all Canadian regions. Second, if you go through Gnilraps' PotUS articles, you'll find one pointing out how much the eUS community has developed in terms of activity in the past months. You cannot deny that the war with Canada played a significant role in this success. I for one would have never thought to see the eUSA topping the empire rankings, and was pleasantly surprised to see us in top5 in population on eRepublik log-in home page. Artela has summarised eUS' other successes quite well too.
I won't comment on the inefficiencies of the military system. It is robust and not agile, which is the main reason of the changes being made over the past half a year. Hopefully, we'll be able to account for the success in the "Horde" by the summer 😁
And what eUSA spends on COs shouldn't be an issue neither. We have money, we spend money. This is what money is for after all ;p
Conclusion: I'm happy with every single aspect of the way Canada war has been conducted.
It was the general eCanadian population who wanted to propose an NAP. We was following up on our request. It wasn't personal for him until the NAP terms were brought forth. They were insulting at best. You may be happy now. But what goes around must always come around.
You've lost a eCountry of ecitizens who would have fought for eUSA under any circumstances. We were wiped by eSpain and we still made it a priority to fight to free you from TWO occupation. I understand that some of you did help us push back eSpain and I appreciate it. I still think we could be friends. Rylde is only CP because he has experience in war. The moment this war ends and we're no longer under occupation. We'll start voting for another CP.
Until then.... MOOOOOOAAARRRRR WAAAAARRRRRRRRRR!
This is how diplomacy normally works:
- Terms are asked for
- Response is made asking for earth
- Counter offer is made which is less
- Haggling continues until you end up somewhere in the middle
How it seems to work with Canada is that the first two steps are taken, Rylde throws a hissy fit and goes off in a tantrum and tears stamping his feet and shouting out about how mean the others are.
Did you see the terms that were brought forth by the eUSA government?
Not pointing out flaws in your point, but we all know the number of active citizens Plato says there are isn't true ~_^
"And what eUSA spends on COs shouldn't be an issue neither. We have money, we spend money. This is what money is for after all"
It is an issue in that the 10% tax rate was to replenish the treasury reserves. Since that 10% work tax was introduced, I've had issue with new things being found to spend money on rather than following through with the stated purpose for the tax rate. If the government keeps spending money over the the norm, then the work tax will never be put back where it was.
So for me, the CO's are a partial issue.
I don't like dominating America's Hat either - but I like Canada hanging out with eSerbia even less. They say we provoked them into it - maybe, but it's like provoking someone to f*** a goat. Provoke away, i'm staying away from that goat 😃
And how exactly did we accomplish to get them further away from Serbia now? If anything we pushed them against Serbia even further.
I'd offer a carrot, but this game is built around using the stick 😃
How many times have foreign affairs been sorted due to bashing someone with the stick to make them change their minds rather than using a carrot?
Probably when the game isn't built around the War Module.
You are ignoring one basic fact: Canada has a Serbian MPP and intends to keep it no matter what. That is the equivalent of arming a nuke and firing it in this game. Unless they drop that MPP, eUS is justified in doing anything to Canada. We cannot let ourselves be endangered by the MPP of our most hated enemy on our back door.
lrn2geopolitics
So how exactly will they be able to use this MPP if we manage our military affairs properly and make sure that our alliance is in the prime position of this world? Think they'll go yolo swaggings on us and just make Canada declare NE on us if there are other things in the world that needs to be taken care of? Right now they can't even get back to their 10/10 and you're worried that they are going to attack us through Canada?
What a weird comment. So you agree that the Serbian MPP weakens us, but counter-argue using the relative and temporary weakness of Serbia as a reason to ignore this fact? (1) It is temporary. (2) Have a look at how enthusiastic the Serbs are to have Cuba added to the game. Do you wonder why? It will be used as another Serbian backdoor. Their enthusiasm proves how valuable these backdoors are.
actually you are completely wrong. I believe the average person would have been fine with losing that MPP until the last few weeks. Now any CP that dropped it would be impeached. Your pres has accomplished one thing. Many cdns will move to an enemy of eUS if Canada makes peace now. That isn't so much because of the invasion as the trolling that followed.
Actually your statement doesn't invalidate mine, and you are just being a prick.
"I believe the average person would have been fine with losing that MPP until the last few weeks."
Extremely Unlikely. Most of the comments and articles from Canadians amounted to "No way in hell we'll drop the MPP. You pushed us over here and you can't tell us what to do."
hmm, im kind of unsure how pointing out that trolling a country you conquer would cause them to find you as a suitable long term enemy is being a prick, but I guess different people are offended by different things
No, your invalid statement "you are completely wrong" is the reason I call you a prick. The rest of your post does not contest the truth of my statement.
The point (and I'm sorry if I wasn't clear in the original comment) is that the way that the war has been handled on the eUS side is exactly why the MPP will likely now never be dropped. It is also the reason why Canadians would welcome and support a wipe of the eUS.
You are probably correct, but what's done is done. I have tried to contact more level-headed people on the Canadian side, but I was told that dropping the Serbian MPP was impossible no matter what. The only way peace could be signed with Canada if Canada doesn't drop the MPP would be an agreement where Canada pays a considerable deposit to a third party which will be given to eUS in case Canada breaks the peace. And I do not see the political leaders who would agree to such an agreement.
Also, it seems like I called you a prick without reason, so apologies for that.
no problem.
They can't use the back doors unless they have total control over other regions. Believe it or not but their number one target is not to fuck over US at any cost. If they can't control Europe the way they did in TWO the back door will mean shit.
Since we now pushed Canada even further towards Serbia like Booleus said they will more likely not leave them now. And in an organized attack they will get a region back no matter what if they decide to go for it, which means that it's a completely useless argument to say that we do it to block them attacking us.
The priority should be gaining control of Europe rather than gaining control of NA. That is how you win these wars.
Game mechanics imply that as long as there is a single Serbian region standing, the Serbs will be able to use Canada as a backdoor through the MPP. You are mixing capabilities with intentions. MPP provides capability. That is sufficient reason to erase Canada. As for intentions, unless you are a diviner you cannot know what they are going to pull. It is wholly possible that they can try to attack eUS even when they are deleted. Remember our counteroffensive during Oblige's terms. We attacked Serbian core regions and our own RWs simultaneously. The division of their forces provided the opening we needed.
The rest of your comment is not worth commenting on.
You apparently fail to realize that if they want a region in Canada free, they will have a region in Canada free. Or have you missed something these last few days? We put all our focus and a ton of CC in COs towards that and yet Canada breaks a region free easily. Are we going to focus on just Canada constantly in fear of having Serbia attack us through them? That seems like a rather weird way to plan our entire strategy. Right now we can't go on offensive, we're constantly fighting in our own regions.
You apparently fail to realize we aren't weak enough to surrender against an enemy which has done the equivalent of firing nukes against us. What do you propose? To surrender to an opponent and let them threaten us indefinitely because... we are weak? Lol.
Lulz, we don't have a Serbian MPP...
If you intend not to have one, go speak with eUS government and try to sign peace. That is the primary obstacle between war and peace.