Notes on Portugal and Slovenia: official reply to Iain Keers
Ice Killa
Dear friends,
I find Iain's article to be extremely deceiving as it does not represent a neutral point of view, his other articles generally do. First of all, I believe it solely focuses on presenting Slovenia as the bad guy and offers no reasons why for example the Portuguese MPP was even proposed.
"Spain recently went to war with Portugal, and during the conflict Slovenia lent moral and military support to Portugal."
Slovenia never offered military support to Portugal, moral support was although offered as the main Spanish goal by attacking Portugal was to meddle with CUA-TWO relations. And meddling with that is against TWO's interest (I don't presume Spain is the definition of TWO?).
Iain Keers in his article questions himself what precisely is a legitimate casus belli; I for one think being in the opposite alliance is. Comparing Serbian occupation of Bosnia, Albania or Croatia in that matter to the occupation of Portugal from Spain is deceiving and incorrect as PT shares friendly ties (or it did) until Spain decided to convince TWO Portugal is the bad guy.
"Added to this of course is the inevitable hypocrisy of Howly. Both Switzerland and Italy are long term occupied nations which are mostly held down by Slovenia."
Onto the next point, Serbia and Slovenia proposed a mutual NAP to Italy, offering a deal that would benefit Italy (it would in other words give control of all resources, except saltpeper in central part of Italy to our rivals). The next day after the negotiations commenced, we were called as "enemies of Italy" in an official government article. Their representatives said they'd rather be deleted than make any kind of agreement with us, even if it benefited them. It was even said, they prefer to have fun and active wars instead of having pointless deals.
On the other hand is Switzerland, I have for ages now wanted a deal with Switzerland, although I get a lot of negativity from opposition in Slovenia trying to undermine my efforts. Today, an official referendum was called for, whether the Slovenian community wants to accept the deal with Swiss people is yet to be seen.
The Swiss agreement
To continue my thoughts on the article, he begins to compare Italian and Portuguese MPP. First of all, there might be some similarities, but the fact that one is proTWO, other is actively antiTWO is where we have to stop. Any kind of comparisons when we include those 2 facts are impossible.
We must realize that Spanish actions to attack Portugal were actively targeted against CUA. Spaniards are putting full effort into breaking TWO's ties with Argentina, Colombia and Uruguay whilst no one in TWO supports that kind of behaviour (nor is anyone against it publicly). TWO's silence is a sign for Spaniard foreign diplomacy aggression towards our common ally is allowed. Slovenia in that matter signed the Portuguese MPP in sake to prevent Spanish meddling into TWO-CUA relations and to give a clear sign: "Stop, now!".
Spain is currently making active attempts to save Brazilian congress against a friend of TWO; Argentina. To make it clear, Brazil is clearly an enemy of TWO and has proven so in the past, a glimpse at the MPPs the mentioned country has is enough for any bystander to tell; friendly or not friendly. Spanish attempts as well intervene with the Argentinian attempts to get and preserve 10/10 resources.
I would say that for the whole Portugal farce Spain is absolutely guilty, it actively tried to present CUA as the bad guys in TWO's eyes. And Slovenia adequately responded to this Spaniard interference. Spanish MPP to Brazil is no different in comparison to our MPP with Portugal. Our signing of the Portuguese MPP does not make us the bad guy all of a sudden since the move was meant to give a clear sign to Spain - trying to deliberately destroy ties with CUA won't be tolerated by Slovenia.
Sorry, Iain, but your article is full of incorrect facts trying to discredit my view point without knowing the formal details of Slovenian attempts to sign agreements, my personal knowledge what Spain is up to and what Spain has done in the past.
Best regards,
Ice Killa aka Howly
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You kind of mixed countries and periods 😉
Howly, the guy who destroy TWO
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Howly>Iain
Said the CoT guy
@Iain: Am I the CoT guy if I vote it?
Howly, you have my full support here.
Not to mention acts of (some) Spaniards to delete Slovenian bonuses. I feel sorry for Spain.
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Spanish guy trying to organise RW against SLO=evil
Slovenia MPPing a country at war with Spain=fine
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Iain Keers >ice killa
Same here Orinda.
Says the FAR guy
That does not stop me from having a brain capable of deciding who was talking rubbish and who was not.I respect u due to what u have done for eUk and its allies,but that wont stop me from disagreeing with u.
It doesn't stop you having a brain no, that is just a happy coincidence.
Oh ha ha,SPITEING much??
Pillo simio
Miau
Portugal is not an ally of TWO. Declaring yourself to be proTWO does not make it so.
All countries were tol😛 DO NOT MPP PORTUGAL. You choose to ignore this.
The rest of your article doesn't address any significant points.
Better write about Greece too 😉
Greece made a mistake, and admitted it immediately. They said they were unaware of the rule. Slovenia signed the MPP when the NE was in progress, and as Howly said did so deliberately.
PS. Howly, signing a mutual protection pact with a country is giving military support. That's what "alliance" means.
Keers and TWO HQ don't have the balls to discipline the big guys!
I'm not even in HQ BigAnt you trained monkey
I find your attempts to advocate Spanish behavior pathetic. I clearly pointed out what was behind this.
If one cannot win playing by fair rules, one has to play the dirty game and beat the opponent at it.
You have personal issues with Spain and you're trying to use moralfag reasoning to support it.
Not at all. They are in the process of installing Spain's will as TWO will.
Delusional. Arguing that country A is secret puppet masters of the alliance has been the last resort of weak presidents since beta
How do you otherwise explain Spanish activities in Brazil? I sure would not say creating conflicts with CUA is in our interest. Your proSpain stance amuses me, and the fact that you after ages opened your guns in the battle for Spain against Portugal.
Hahaha howly and the hq of TWO after publish an article giving full suport in the war, don't try to make that all the countries of TWO don't sign mpp with spain if spain don't sign a nap with Portugal???
You are naive if you think HQ has any power. I could shoot guns in TWO channels trying to make a turn for better but no one would take you seriously as TWO HQ member.
"Spain is currently making active attempts to save Brazilian congress against a friend of TWO; Argentina. To make it clear, Brazil is clearly an enemy of TWO and has proven that in the past, a glimpse at the MPPs the mentioned country has is enough for any bystander to tell; friendly or not friendly. Spanish attempts as well intervene with the Argentinian attempts to get and preserve 10/10 resources."
Spain is getting the full 10/10 by atacking Brazil. "Helping member countries conquering and defending regions with strategical value is one of the principal aims of the alliance." Chapter of TWO(for the MEMBERS of TWO)
"Spanish MPP to Brazil is no different in comparison to our MPP with Portugal. Our signing of the Portuguese MPP does not make us the bad guy all of a suddenly, but the move was meant to give a clear sign to Spain trying to deliberately destroy ties with CUA won't be tolerated by Slovenia." hahahahahahha ROLF X90000
Let's revise the protagonists:
Spain MEMBER OF TWO
Brazil NOT MEMBER OF TWO
Portugal NOT MEMBER OF TWO
ARGENTINA NOT MEMBER OF TWO.
So Slovenia signing a mpp with a non member of two to fight agains a member of two is equal like spain signing a mpp with a non member of two to fight agains a non member of two....HOWLY'S LOGIC!!!!
Ice killa you and cookies put it in the massmp mmmmm
Howly
-Mpp Spain-Italia
http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/law/Spain/135322 WOW REJECTED
-Mpp Spain-Slovenia
http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/law/Slovenia/134929 Mmmmm REJECTED BY SLOVENIA, INTERESTING
-Mpp Portugal-Slovenia (just drop in the moment that spain send NE to Portugal)
http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/law/Slovenia/134700 Mmmmm ACEPTED
And you cry agains spain for the mpp with italia http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-vlada-ers-slovenia-amp-cua-2343960/1/20#comments hahahaha
I ever love Slovenia, but lately it's have turkish politics
angeldav: "Let's revise the protagonists:
Spain MEMBER OF TWO
Brazil NOT MEMBER OF TWO
Portugal NOT MEMBER OF TWO
ARGENTINA NOT MEMBER OF TWO...."
Let's qualify that:
Spain MEMBER OF TWO ✔
Brazil NOT MEMBER OF TWO [and vehemently antiTWO, especially antiSerbia/Hungary] ✔
Portugal NOT MEMBER OF TWO [and yet proTWO, fighting FOR TWO countries and interests and alongside official TWO states everyday] ✔
ARGENTINA NOT MEMBER OF TWO [and yet proTWO, fighting FOR TWO countries and interests and alongside official TWO states everyday] ✔
There, fixed
Thank you, NFM. Well said.
Portugal-Argentina fight agains Spain(member of two) and against the bonus of Spain.
"Helping member countries conquering and defending regions with strategical value is one of the principal aims of the alliance." Chapter of TWO
Ice killa hates spain everyones knows that.
"Portugal-Argentina fight agains Spain(member of two) and against the bonus of Spain."
Portugal fighting in RWs of its core regions shouldn't really be considered ,,fighting against TWO,, -- a single Portuguese MU fighting to weaken Spain in order to more effectively liberate its own regions shouldn't really be considered ,,Portugal fighting against TWO,, -- neither are done for the sake of it or to intentionally damage TWO, though I appreciate common sense doesn't get a look in here.
On the Arg question, doesn't this go back to CTRL and even before and Spanish relations with BrUSA? In the case of Arg specifically Spain saw a means to secure its flank and gain a valuable ally in Brazil -- this despite the fact of how Brazil perceived other TWO states and how they actively fight against Spain's TWO allies...
Ian,
In the previews months Portugal had mpp's with TwO countries, like Hungary, Serbia, Greece, Slovenia, and a number of countries from ACT like Tawain. Portugal was clearly a pro-TwO country before Spain's attack.
Considering that as part of a new agreement with Spain, in order for Spain to recover Norte they were demanding that we did not sign mpp with TwO/ACT countries, we did not pursue that, but there were a number of TwO countries that usually are open to have mpp with us, since we fight for them.
Differently from Italy, Portugal was not challenging bonus, we accepted to let go of the two regions Spain needed, plus the one they did not needed (Norte, since they had control of Maine). An agreement had been drafted in order for Spain to recover Norte, when Spain demanded that in addition to this, Portugal would cancel their mpp's with Argentina and Colombia, and in case we were accepted in ACT (because that was our request as part of this agreement, our people had voted a pro-TwO stance months ago) we would never be able to support Argentina or Colombia on that.
If Argentina and Colombia were enemies of TwO we would understand that you cannot want to align yourself with TwO and support enemies of TwO. But the are not, They have mpp's with many countries of TwO.
So my point is the following:
1 - In addition to be dealing a pro-TwO country, Spain was asking Portugal to stop being able to choose his friends without any reason apparent (Argentina and Colombia are no threat to Spain as they aligned themselves to TwO).
2 - If TwO accepts that countries may impose limitations to specific voting for new countries entering your alliance, you are opening a pandora box that I struggle to understand how you can support.
Spain attacking Portugal its more or less similar to attacking Argentina. If they to that you will keep the same stance that all countries from TwO have to cancel their mpp's with Argentina ?
Slovenia > Spain
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This just confirms what Iain Keers says on his article. Thank you.
elmengu ainda não te doi o c*?
acho que ele gostou mas é, quer nova dose, aliás, está a levar nova dose neste preciso momento 😃
Croatia has no quarrel with any TWO country save Serbia, the comparison is perfectly valid.
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The argument that Slovenia/Howly are working contrary to the best interests of TWO is funny seeing how Spain did so flagrantly, and continue to do so, in their support of Brazil, Chile and Mexico etc. for months. And are currently fighting here in order to preserve Brazilian congress against proTWO CUA: erepublik.com/en/military/battlefield/46472 Funny move seeing as Brazil are vehemently antiTWO, specifically antiSerbHun