Majority-Minority debate
Day 1,360, 01:22
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by Daniel Parker
Konrad tends to overthink things sometimes is my experience, sometimes it´s just a matter of occams razor IMO. I think he is both in a pragmatic and philosophical sense wrong about the No Pain No Gain clausule. Please only respond to the practical part of my contribution, because philosophical discussions might never be finish in our elifetimes.
On a practical level:
I think in this case Konrad is overreacting, and that the No Pain No Gain clausule isn´t unconstitutional. The government or congress is allowed to make policy choices conceirning how to spend the treasury, that may be because it is deemed too riskfull. The NPNG clausule only states that if you deliberatly dont contribute (whatever that may be, it is still open), you aren´t entitled to state subsidies. This is a policy level decision, and not a criminal/justice decision.
I do think a person should be able to appeal such a decision, maybe at a judge... but generally it just involves paying your bills for a change.
On a more philosophical level:
A majority of congress decided for this, and I find it quite lame that within a few days of acceptance people who didn´t debate the topic now try to appeal it.
If people want to have a different lifestyle that conflicts with that of the majority, they should be focusing on becoming the majority themselves, instead of pushing their minority opinion uppon to that of the rest.
Some people find that injustfull that a minority should adapt to the majority, but let me ask them this: isn´t it even more unjust that a majorty has to adapt to a minority opinion? This is what democracy is, the majority decides. Indeed a majority can oppress a minority, but as long as group isn´t ruled out (on basis of their creed, religion, political affirmation) it isn´t discrimination. (gelijke monnikken gelijke kappen)
Concluding
In the NPNG case it will probably end up in a libertanesque kind of discussing surrounding congresstax, and why people don´t want to pay for it. Here the majority can decide against the opinion of the minority that it is in the best interest FOR ALL, to enforce this uppon the minority, because donating it to your own group only serves your own group, and not the entire nation.
Adaption is a skill anyone can master.
Daniel Parker
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hi mom, looks at me! I can contribute to Belgian politics!
WHY YOU THINK YOU CAN BELGIAN YOU NOT BELGIAN YOU DUTCH LOLOL
...says the Dutch guy with American citizenship and a Spanish avatar... 😛
and already a good contribution 🙂
(Congress) mayority can indeed make the laws how they want them. The minority can loose their interest in the eBE community because of such laws. Whenever that happens, eBE will shrink. That is imho the importance of the article of Konrad. Building community is far more important as building a state, because the community is the most important factor for a state like eBE (a nation small and without real important resources).
I think if a part is private, we must protect the debate of the congress. Now,if it's a decision from a member of congress to publish the new, it's a personal decision.
But if a public debate is interesting for population, we can debate here with all ebelgian's.
V+S
@niemand sure, but konrad's case is over the top IMO...
eNL has congress tax, and still hasn't split the community. In eBe it was a tradition to donate your congressgold to the state (a civil communitary effort). It was important because a state hardly has other options to gather gold... Now BCP broke with that tradition (i hardly call that favourable for the (whole) community)... Thus a civil matter becomes a politican matter... Theh communists themselves broke with the community at large IMHO, I find it jsut they now are being forced back to participate and play ball again.
Voted and supported ; )
listen up friends ... (not always agreed with him, but) Daniel's thinking and writing has always been consistent and well reasoned.
if Gramr approves then this article must be either wrong or have a secret code in it that reveals the location of large quantities of alcohol.
^what he says
It is not discriminatory, the law counts for us all... not a single group... you are only singled out if you (deliberatly) break the law.
But you don't hear people who broke the law and are sent to jail whining "you are discriminating me!".
srsly konrad... you lack common sense, this isn't about a high-court issue... it's simply coughing up what you owe (whatever that may be)
Congress decides which punishment the SC can impose. Congress does not punish. All the NPNG Act does (it could indeed be integrated in the CJ Act which handles the SC) is add a minor and almost self-evident law enforcement mechanism.
If in the RL a judicial branch expresses a sentence, it's still the executive that has to make sure the sentence is executed. No? Just like here.
If you say this law discriminates BCP, that may be true, but only because they choose themself to operate as a state inside the state. Nothing wrong with a state trying to protect itself through majority actions against a rogue minority. That's the essence of a democracy. If you think the rights of minorities are violated, you can still go to the Supreme Court to see if you are right and the SC can then repeal the law. Until then, a vote which passes according to majority rule, well, passes.
I think you lack common sense yourself Parker. All you care about is just to forward your political goals and ignore issues of justice and rights of people. If this is about justice, then we have a law already. This No Pain No Gain is just political. You people on your side never discuss the issue. All you say is mob rule is correct and mob rule is right.
"But you don't hear people who broke the law and are sent to jail whining "you are discriminating me!"."
Poor logic and argumentation. First it has to depend on the crime but why have you not hear this at all? This is a high court issue since CONGRESS is overreaching is bounds and this laws and its supporters are using democracy for illiberal and undemocratic means.
Why do we have to pay for your fun eMilitary that cannot defend itself against anyone even if you pour more money into it. Why do we have to pay for it? It is an luxury item that benefit the select few. While you support oligarchy and "democracy" within the oligarchy, I support policies that secures the rights and liberty for the minority. With that said, no one owes the eBE state or the eBE military anything at all.
Daniel Parker is not associated with the eBelgian military.
But he is for it with his national strength argument...
"Congress decides which punishment the SC can impose. Congress does not punish. All the NPNG Act does (it could indeed be integrated in the CJ Act which handles the SC) is add a minor and almost self-evident law enforcement mechanism.
If in the RL a judicial branch expresses a sentence, it's still the executive that has to make sure the sentence is executed. No? Just like here.
If you say this law discriminates BCP, that may be true, but only because they choose themself to operate as a state inside the state. Nothing wrong with a state trying to protect itself through majority actions against a rogue minority. That's the essence of a democracy. If you think the rights of minorities are violated, you can still go to the Supreme Court to see if you are right and the SC can then repeal the law. Until then, a vote which passes according to majority rule, well, passes."
First that is not true. If it is "an addition" to the NPNG law which means it is amendment, it would be treated as such. No one voted for a change in The Criminal Justice Act. So do not say it is a part of The Criminal Justice Act since it is not. If it is then the vote would be voided anyways since no one knew that it was a vote in changing of The Criminal Justice Act. Also it is not "self evident" as you put it as this whole law has hidden meaning and agenda from many different dimensions.
Also when did BCP become a "rogue minority" First BCP is not a state within a state. It is a party that does not support your "national strength army" of fun. The military does nothing for the country in actual protection and it is your fun at others expense. To be blacklisted and called rogue etc just because the BCP and Bro's have a different world view and we are already blacklisted. This is why this law must be struck down. It is illiberal and undemocratic.
*sigh* If you know my 'political agenda' so well... you might as well tell me, because I haven't the faintest idea what you are talking about
- masterful: "Adaptation is a skill anyone can master"
"Who says organization, says oligarchy." ~ Robert Michels
It´s erep Konrad, not RL... there is no justice, it´s just us.
Then if that is so, then there is no need for taxes. Also this is basic human behavior Parker. Since this is fake so you can do whatever you want etc? If that is so, why have such laws as No Pain No Gain.
This is a game, so do not make laws that restricts at all. Do not force them to pay tax or as you say blacklist them etc. Justice exist everywhere to say justice is not needed in a game is troubling. Since justice also deals with that is fair and what is not etc.
fuck the MPP with eUSA!!