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Zal ik me dan ook maar verkiesbaar stellen, gewoon omdat het kan.

Gewoon doen epix xd

Uh ja, en dan kun je dit artikel ook posten, maar dan met de laatste twee woorden vervangen door epix.
Uhm, jij speelt dit spel natuurlijk al langer, dus die middelste alinea moet je ook iets aanpassen. 😉

Not this again...

Welkom terug van die dood!

firstly, what was done to the state treasury? and, if i'm assuming correctly...it's a serious allegation. you need to be sure.

The entire treasury was stolen. The people with access were Tonie and myself. It has never been recovered. There have been cheap allegations from a former Dutch player that he and/or I stole it.

yeah, that's a tough one. seems to happen often...never quite sure who's responsible...

˝ The entire treasury was stolen. The people with access were Tonie and myself.˝ This means one of you did it! Excuse me my friend, but I would not trust neither of you two at this moment by providing you the opportunity to repeat the same.

Can't Moderator tell us where the money went and who send it at that time?
That act would give us the culprit and one of you would wash away the taint from his name.

I will vote for Trannsvaal at upcoming elections and I would like to ask all my followers to do the same.
This should not happen if I&W had candidate of its own. Odan did not have the needed time, but we could find another one candidate. If nothing The Valeyard could run again and give us one of our options to vote for.

I thought of running Lord Jale, but I guess that wouldn't be much of a difference. For the record, I had full access to the NL treasury from early 2011 up to November 2013. Not much logic in me robbing it midway. We contacted the game admins multiple times regarding the theft but nothing came out of it.

If you had access for that much time then Tonie looks even more guilty. Because you could do that multiple times if you are such kind of player, and as you did not I doubt that you stole NL treasury suddenly after so much time dedicated to keeping it safe.

If Tonie took it he wouldn't have to create so much multi's 😛
Serious though, I think it was a third party cheating/'hacking' into our orgs.

It doesn't really matter for me who has stolen the money. If it was Tonie, and he will be CP again, I am pretty sure he wouldn't steal it again. Then we will know who stole the money in the past as well. With these accusations I think Tonie is one of the people who can be most trusted with the state treasury.

Not true/incomplete/doubtfull Garmr. You and Tonie had access indeed but were not alone in that.
Also it's likely you didn't have access anymore the moment I started as MoF (july '12 I believe it was) as soon after all passwords were changed when I became KK as well. Unless you were the one holding all e-mail addresses of the orgs. A question asked but never answered which would be suspicious if you now admit being the one. If that's the case you could have forced a password change but that never occurred. I would have noticed ofc as than my access would have been lost.
If you have other means off access you and (some off) you're mate('s) look more guilty than Tonie. And frankly; I don't think Tonie had anything to do with it. He only took responsibility as PM and someone else/others got away with it.

I did have access to org emails until they were changed in November. Only the keykeeper/head of senate (me) and CP (Tonie) had access to DNB at the time it got robbed. Auggy as MoF could not have touched that money. I know I didn't steal it and I don't believe Tonie stole it. As I said then and now again, I believe it was an unnamed third party that somehow managed to illegally access our treasury.

I heard different stories about who had access Garmr. But that'll end up one word against the other so is no use debating. And we both agree it's most likely it wasn't Tonie. I do think however it must have been done by someone having access at the time due to a function (s)he had.

As I was keykeeper at the time I am very certain about who had access at the time. Remember I was there in the front of it, not only talking about it in hindsight.

You claim multiple tickets were sent.
However, the admins refused to deal with anyone apart from the CP at the time of the theft. And NoTie only sent a single ticket, and sent nothing after he got a "standard" reply.

Some big accusations with zero proof, neither Garmr or Tonie stole the treausry because if so a: tonie woukd done it again when he was cp months ago. B: tonie can be trusted, more than the admiral who made this accusation c: garmr and tonie are cool.

On a: That would have been stupid; Twice the same situation with the same person having access would be a sure suspect. Besides the treasure was not that interestingly high at that point.
On b: It's not the admiral accusing him. Don't let you're personal grudge against him cloud you're judgement that obviously.
On c: We have a different taste on what/who is cool 😉

It was mainly vS accusing Tonie way wayyyy after it happened. And him bringing it up again through various 'cousin' accounts.

Sure Week has a point vS wasnt the first critic after the theft. I was one that pushed congress to mandate to open all communication between the former CP tonie and the admins for instance. But Garmr is right that it is indeed vS and ZM that cried wolf many times long after the whole dispute had been resolved, effectively trying to vilify both Tonie, garmr and everyone who was in either government or congress at the time.

There are no accusations in the article. James just states that NoTie was a suspect at the time, and he doesn't know much more. That is a fact.

vS sure had it's share, but several others keep mentioning it. And I don't think there is the possibility to have that many cousins so there must be dozens of others as well I'd say

We all know it was Frerk

Besides you and me, I doubt anyone still remembers that 😛

🙁 We are getting old.

i still remember ;_;

So do I

I also remember Frerk...
There are more "old" people around than you think. 😛

Run for your life, Walking Dead Season 5 is starting!!!! 😛

I was specifically referring to Frerk robbing state supplies from MoD orgs while being MoD to get a BH, followed by the Belgian Party banning him for 6 months from cabinet positions, DanielB paying his debt, and Mitch Rapp working out a way to circumvent that 6 month ban. Those were some amazing great fun times.

A number of articles from the time... Unfortunately the writer of these is no longer with us.

The very first article about the theft:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/massive-robbery-at-dutch-national-bank-1972620/1/20

NoTie resigning as CP, in the aftermath:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/interview-with-notie112--1972958/1/20

After reading the arguments, maybe it’s better that no one has been caught. It’s unfortunate and frustrating to be seriously accused, and not merit it. In my opinion it’s tough to really get comfortable with a potential C.P. as elections are held every month. Tighter control is needed…

Dont worry, the Gastapo watches nearly everyone and is not afraid to reclaim stolen state property in the real world.

they're still around???, I was sure the allies won the war. what we need is an "eye in the sky"...

Hurray for James! 😃

Recycling articles 101

How about presenting a program? Not only something about writing in Dutch please...

I agree, show us actual plans instead of this recycling bullshit. Campagne voeren!

blah blah blah
Same bullshit as usual

Tonie vs. James still isn't really a choice IMHO

eNL verkiezingen... ik weet het wel hoor! http://i.imgur.com/DSqiwbX.jpg

Wat gaan we vanavond doen James?

Hetzelfde wat we elke avond doen Daniel... PROBEREN OM ALLES IN HET NEDERLANDS TE KRIJGEN

Speciaal voor jou: een comment in het Nederlands. 😉

Als PP van Democratisch Nederland zou ik je aan willen raden om op zijn minst een programma te schrijven. Zonder programma hebben we alsnog eigenlijk maar een serieuze kandidaat...

Wat mij betreft zijn de volgende zaken geen reden om op jou te stemmen:
- Er is maar een andere kandidaat
- Die kandidaat is vroeger, ruim 2 jaar geleden verdachte geweest...

Uh, ik geloof dat dat alle redenen uit het artikel waren. Daarentegen heeft NoTie wel een programma geschreven. Daar kun je het mee eens zijn of niet mee eens zijn, maar het schept in ieder geval duidelijkheid.
Een argument om op jou te stemmen zou dus kunnen bestaan uit dat je het helemaal niet met NoTie eens bent. Maar aangezien ik geen idee heb wat jij van de diverse zaken vindt, kan ik eigenlijk ook die reden niet accepteren. "Geen informatie beschikbaar" is niet beter als iets waar je het niet mee eens bent. Het kan best iets zijn waar je het zelfs nog minder mee eens bent.

Not to sound like an ass but we told james to make an actual progress countles times, yet he refuses our advice.

Progress = program.

Waarom moest die oude koe toch weer uit de sloot...