eCanadurr - What is it good for?
Talostastic
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R Here’s a handy chart that tells part of the story I’m about to tell.
It has been a very long 3 months. On Day 2274, the eUS proposed an NE against our neighbors to the North, and since then it has been a back-and-forth battle of taking and retaking regions from eCanada.
Why? The conspiracy theories have their own explanations. The Why is simple. eCanada has been, for a very long time, a Foreign Affairs nightmare for the eUSA. They stepped it up by opening an MPP with Serbia, eUSA’s oldest enemy. Any other explanation for this war is half-truth or entirely made up.
Between Day 2274 and today, the landscape has changed. eCanada has all but gone broke, subsidising their MPP’s with donations of private funds or from other countries. Their war efforts and CO’s, subsidised by private citizens and by the personal pocketbook of DMV. I don’t have exact figures on what eCanada has spent, but thanks to Gnilraps, we know about how much the eUSA has spent. But I’ll get back to that in a moment.
At the time of writing this, the oldest information eGov had available was ~10 days after this war started, from day 2284. On that day, the population of eCanada stood at 764, 303 (39.6% fighters) of which were cataloged as fighters. eUSA weighed in with 2658 citizens and 1068 fighters (40.4% fighters). With this initial phase of the invasion moving forward, an interesting change in population trend emerges. (SEE CHART)
Operation Grey Cup began on Day 2304. Up to this point, both the eUSA and eCanada had definitely benefitted from this confrontation. eCanada gained 33 players and boosted their fighting population by 43. The eUSA gained 336 players, but lost 6 fighters. Then, the funding kicked in.
Since the beginning of Grey Cup, both countries have lost in terms of population and fighters. eCanada has suffered a loss of 185 citizens (or nearly a quarter of their population), with 60 fighters gone (give or take 20
😵. The eUSA has suffered terribly on the population loss front, with our numbers a whole 4 citizens below on total population (0.015
😵, and down 102 fighters (9.5
😵. The lost fighters trend is below the World-Wide totals, showing that this is a slower loss than many other countries, and half of what eCanada has lost.
With Grey Cup, eCanada has been without a Congress twice. In terms of cost, this has taken directly from the pockets of eCanadian citizens 400 gold, and gained the citizens of the eUSA 95 gold (Congress medals). eCanada has been unable to remove any money from their Country Treasury, disrupting any function that requires cash outside of their Treasury. Since tax figures are much harder to track, I had to pull a rough estimate based on available information. The 6 day average when eCanada was wiped brought 1538 cc per day into the American coffers, and cost eCanada at least 3x that much, since they reduced their Work Tax from 3% to 1% when the war began taking (an estimated) 200k CC total out of eCanada’s coffers from tax collection alone.
On the fiscal aspect of this alone, the eUSA has taken about 280k CC away from the eCanadian government and it’s citizens. This is from lost Congress and tax revenue alone, it does not include the money spent on resistance wars and CO’s by the eCanadians. To those who wish to combat this with “Oh lol it cost you hamburgers 3 million to take 280k CC away from us”, that would be incorrect. Per Gnil’s latest article, yes, the eUS Government spent that money, but a vast majority of it went straight back into the pockets of the eUS citizens. The money spent by the eCanadian government either went to Plato in the form of 10k per RW, or outside of the country via open Combat Orders. Most of our money stayed on our soil, a lot of eCanadian money went off into the ether forever.
Given all of this information, should the war with eCanada continue? Absolutely. They still maintain their Serbian MPP, are funding the entirety of their war effort through private contributions and DMV’s pocket, and sure, they’re on the push back currently, but this is the 3rd “liberation” of eCanada that’s occurred, and it will be once again reclaimed. Determination has to be reset at regular intervals to keep long term occupation viable, and eCanada has been spending their money hand-over-fist to assist us with that (Thanks bro’s!).
The only downside for the eUSA is battle-weariness. Most people are sick of the perpetual war, and would be sick of it no matter which country we were involved with. Funny thing about battle weariness, within a week of some sort of NAP with eCanada, many of the people complaining about the perpetual war cycle will be chomping at the bit for another campaign. War is the only real aspect of this game, it affects every other module, (both economy AND political!), and the numbers bear it out.
This war with eCanada has benefited the eUSA. And it should continue. Walking away without any long-term benefit to the States would be an utter and complete waste of everyone’s time.
Sources ;
eUSA Tracking on eGov
eCanada Tracking on eGov
Tax income tracking
Yours,
Talostastic
PS - It seems some people have confused this with some sort of government propaganda piece. It's not. It's just one man's opinion that they don't like, so it's written off as some shady state-sponsored attempt to bolster a population. Literally couldn't be further from the truth, but, whatever punches your clown, Nancy.
Comments
First for "Bring the trolls"
I totally voted this
eChile has stepped up now to backup eUSA by proposing NE law against eCanada.
Why did they need to do that?
This article proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that the US is totally winning everything?
Must be down to US "war weariness"
I can't comment on that, better someone from their govt elaborate this.
Why else would eUSA call for help? because they can't handle it.
I think that might make occupation even easier, and allow us more leeway to help other countries like brazil. Besides, who doesn't like seeing allies closeby?
Is it possible that our occupation of Canada now allows us to donate Canadian regions to our allies for their benefit since we now own them?
Help us Chile! Help us!!! BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!
Maybe Chile wants to lease a portion of eCanada
After all doesn't NE only help if Chile is in war with eCanada?
Well worded and thought out article directly opposing most articles these days...nice work!
Lets go liberate Brazil and take back south africa from lazokrat!
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>Vote yes on them entering our alliance
>Fuck them and hold the backstab that happened several months ago over their head
>The north does not forget?
http://i.imgur.com/CEZFv7f.png
Since WO wanted to delete his comment.
lol nice 1
Actually, yes, that was bad form on my part. I admit that.
Do you wanna build a snowman?
I would love to do that more than read the next Canada article.
This is quality analysis.
Waiting on Hale and Co.
Not first because they`re retards.
Canada is a waste of space.
Same ole "rah rah" from the bourgeois class.
Keep that propaganda machine rolling.
>propaganda
>article filled with sourced information
I know you're high, Jude, but even you can't be too high to know the difference. I spent the more than half the article laying out hard numbers and specifying when I was speculating or estimating, then gave an opinion based upon those facts.
Numbers, sources can be manipulated to fit a certain agenda.
And they pretty much always are.
Sourced information that is poorly analysed and ignores other bits of data, like where the eUS damage would turn battles elsewhere, not to mention completely dismissing Canadian motivation for their MPP with Serbia which you seem to think was just for the laugh,
> "Per Gnil’s latest article, yes, the eUS Government spent that money, but a vast majority of it went straight back into the pockets of the eUS citizens."
> Per Gnil’s latest article
It's still pure bs and unfortunately nothing more than a poor excuse by gnil. Most COs gnil set during his term/s were not set for eUSA citizens only. If that had been the case, I wouldn't have been able to use them.
Given that I saw on IRC how the COs served as an incentive to gather damage from our allies, I can't take (t)his reasoning seriously. It's just a poorly made up excuse.
Many COs were infact set for US only, and you're forgetting that even those that were global were used mostly by those with US citizenship and/or pro-US citizens around the globe.
I think you're forgetting that the US does 80B damage if not more weekly, making it over 10B per day, which is the equivilent of 10,000(daily) battle
Even if all COs gave 5USD per 1m, which is an obvious underestimation even for D4, you'd still get us using up 50,000USD pey day on COs. And since the CC per 1m damage is ALWAYS higher and can get to 30CC/mil damage it's pretty obvious that the vast majority of CO that the US are given, even when they're ALWAYS global, will go directly towards the US citizens fighting against Canada.
Canadians on the other hand have 1/6th our damage if not less at times, making them use up way more merc damage..
They do 1/6th of our damage, yet they win battles that we didn't want to lose. That's cool mate.
Are you trying to say they're not doing 1/6th of our damage? Just look at the rankings.
The win precisely because of massive COs that outnumber ours.
"Massive CO's that outnumber ours."
No, they win because of the FFM effect. They've barely had any COs up the last few RWs and they have still won. They won a direct war against us without these "massive CO's".
And trust me when I say this: The CO's were RARELY set for eUS only. It might have been sometime, but not many.
That's not true, most battles where we lost were because almost no damage was even put in. In the serious battles, there was a billion damage by John Largo or 600 million by Gnilraps(numbers may vary).
Point is that no one was actually trying to keep RWs from winning after the first few.
FFM only comes into practice once you're winning, to start winning you need to put serious COs.
If someone see's Canada winning 6-5, they're not going to go to move, waste their damage right away, they'll much more likely to wait until a more telling score.
Again, to get to this position where you win with 1/6th of damage, you need to have some sort of edge from 0 points.
Denying that is illogical.
I'm sure you know what battles were supposed to be won and lost, and what battles weren't supposed to be won and lost, HeapSeppo, and you're not being honest when you're saying "They won a direct war against us without these "massive COs".
You also missed my point about the COs being set only for the US, I was arguing that it doesn't really matter, since most of the COs would be taken by US citizens rather than mercs such as Canada has offered.
Let me sum up;
1. Canada has 1/6th of the damage the US has - factual
2. Canada starts a resistance war - factual
3. To get FFM damage, they need to start winning - I'm assuming that people don't see a random resistance war and start joining it, especially when chances are Canada will lose.
4. Canada is outdamaging the US due to a different source other than FFMs.
5. That source is Serbian/pro-Serbian MUs from Europe OR massive COs that is mostly used by mercs.
And the first they won with 56k spent on COs. We spent 10k to start the RW and then I think around 10k for COs. Meaning they spent 36k more than us to win back the region which also cost us a bonus. Also the direct war did not have a lot of COs on it, they used strategy to win it mostly, several RWs against us at the same time as the direct war.
Also, you mean this serious battle? http://battle-watcher.com/campaigns/campaign/51618 Yea we lost hard.
Do you think they are spending millions and millions and millions on COs or something? Because what you say doesn't really make a lot of sense.
We've spent 3m CC on CO's - Fact
We've had unstable bonuses due to resistance - Fact
We've lost several battles in Europe because we drain ourselves - Fact
We've ignored allies and signed NAPs with enemies instead of helping our allies - Fact
-They probably spent more, we'd be spending this amount anyways for other wars, just becuase it's Canada doesn't make it special.
-We get pretty good bonuses and pretty solid ones, every now and then they waste tens of thousands of currency to reset the determination.
-We get bonuses which is just great, not to mention their taxes and denying congress.
-Chile lost battles in Europe because it has holdings in France
-Greece lost European battles because it has holdings in Egypt/Saudi Arabia
-Poland lost European battles because it has holdings in Sweden
-I can keep going but it seems as you get the point, every country is "wasting" its damage against enemies of some sort, for bonuses or not.
-The last one isn't really related to Canada and a different subject, that would be a critism of eUS policy that isn't related to Canada.
If you really think that is why they lost battles and that they are all wasting huge amounts of damage then our discussion is pretty much over since you clearly have no idea how the military module work.
Canada hasn't spent 3 million, not even close.
Canada probably spent more than 3 million in those last few months, I mean hell, DMV himself probably spent half a million. You guys are really underestimating your taken taxes and lack of bonuses.
and HeapSeppo, all I was saying is that almost every country in this game is "wasting damage" & causing lost battles because of it. Hell, I'm sure you can trace a battle that Serbia lost closely because there was RW in Brazil back when they were fully occupied.
Canada is an enemy state right now, and occupying it, no matter the cost, is never wasting damage.
Canada will cave eventually.
Never a waste of damage? Of course winning with a 80% wall compared to a 51% wall is not wasting damage. Really, start making some sense. There is a difference between occupying regions in a lot of countries and wasting damage.
You missed my point, there always damage wasted somehow, but winning with overkill is highly common.... everywhere.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/military/battlefield/51794 Look at all this damage wasted by Argentina !! What about Europe?!
That's exactly how you sound like when advocating we're wasting damage.
I assure you that countries overkill as much as we do, especially against opponents that don't get near our damage
It's not even worth discussing. You seem to think that eUS is the greatest military nation there is right now for some mysterious reason. You'll hopefully open your eyes soon and realize that we're actually insanely terrible right now. We sign NAPs with enemies that ravage our allies just so that we can overkill battles in Canada. But hey, that is completely okay.
I seriously don't know what you're talking about, I never said the way US Millitary handles is good, or that we're not overkilling and I never said that we shouldn't stop overkilling. All I was saying is that it happens pretty much everywhere, and it's not a special case to the US, and it's not really a case against fighting Canada, we should be able not to overkill regardless of our enemy.
And again you bring up signing NAPs when it's not even related to Canada, I didn't say I supported the NAPs, did I? Maybe I do, maybe I don't, it's not even on topic.
I was countering /your/ illogical arguments that somehow got into you talking about European battles lost and signing NAPs with our enemies as if it's connected to Canada.
We should discuss this on IRC instead, I get no notification when you reply here.
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Quality shit. Voted.
"but this is the 3rd “liberation” of eCanada that’s occurred"
"The only downside for the eUSA is battle-weariness"
Only yourself (eUSA) to blame for that one.
The fool that expected different outcomes from doing the same thing twice (or in this case. 3 times)
Twice before Canada nearly pushed America back. Two months in a row, Canada is without a Congress. Will the fools get Congress for the month of June? Tune in to the regions on May 26th to find out!
ahhh but the eUS major goal is to get us to drop Serbian/LETO/Asteria MPP's.
No congress is just a means of getting to that goal. How many more attempts will it take eUSA before your all bored?
Infinite. Your people are getting bored, but we're just becoming angrier and more motivated. We will never again ally with the alliance slate that includes the eUS, therefore we will be friends with Serbia forever. Hell, Serbia could kill our moose tomorrow and we'd say "Oh, it's ok, at least you're not pig-disgusting Americans."
take into account that we value congress a lot less then the US does. Before you turds decided to bully us we were wiped by Spain for a year, we are used to it, so bring it
I love kicking eKanada's butt, could do it every day till …. well, forever.