Beyond Death
Day 2,388, 15:36
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by Releasethe Krakken
Comfortably Numb
Bhane studies his meal he is no longer the fighter that he was in his prime. Time has caught up with him and he didn’t possess the eternal lifes of kraken and most of the clerics.
He has lately grown tired of all the politics: Its all the same. The fear of he that lingers in the sea is gone. Its no longer about fear its no longer about protection although they know he is roaming the lands.
Thick as a Brick
They have grown content and have dined them fat of the riches mostly plundered from the poor. The poor is hiding away in the mountains but they have to survive and how do one survive if one cant till the land so they make patches of land in the deep mountains and grow potatoes anything they can quickly harvest and leave at the drop of a knife.
Food is hidden in caves but even that is sniffled out by the orc hounds .
The clerics help the poor in this times. But that eternal order cannot be changed too much. The will to defeat the orcs has to be come from the peasants and the likes. Yet they are weak. The fight is beaten so quickly out of a starving man.
Bhane is not really concerned with this. He has grown old dining and striking deals with the orcs. His factories is full of slave laborers working till the wee hours . And orcs slave drivers that drive them near to death. In fact his trade with them is quite lucrative. But he still has the fear for he that lurks in the sea.
The Island
Krakken his eyes ablaze is at this time walking to the middle of an island a 1000 miles into the sea. He needs to go and look for the signs of the end times.
He saw the blue lady glimmering in a dream but maybe he was wrong.
As he came to the island where the heart of earth was housed he saw that there was a disruption. The heart was growing more grayer he could see that the end times was near. Time to go to the embryonic stage and then be carried to the new earth . Perhaps this time there would be a change. It was yet to be seen.
He know must prepare this world. He quickly made his way to the shores. The other clerics was already there their eyes was ablaze with fire. Indeed the time was upon the world.
The meeting
Bhane stand up and walks to the meeting room. He must discuss the orcs demands to get yet more. Like always each deal must be renegotiated till there is mere fragments of meat left on the bone .
He knows they belief in only 3 things power ,money and evil
As he enters his right hand man seanan cautiously follows him.
The man who sold the world
Orangejuice a fiendishly evil orc who has a tendency to scream in a angry high pitched voice is pacing nervously up and down the room.. He immediately says to Bhane as he enter we will pay now 7 iep per weps and that is all. And if you don’t like it prepare for war brother.
Bhane laughs at him like one laugh at a little child that is trying to beat you up.
Dumb
He walks to the window and look at the courtyard. I am an old man he says but I am not afraid of the likes of you. He curtly turns and walks out of the room.
Seanan runs after him his coattails flapping in the wind. Master he finally caught up out of breath shouldn't we atleast consider this I mean their slaves are working on our factories without them we will have to suffer again on the open market. And the thing is the orcs has grown strong we may not be able to beat them. They are not a match for my forces Bhane says and retires to his room.
Seanan is pacing back and forth he knows he is one of the biggest cowards on a battlefield. He knows as right hand man of Bhane he will have to show his bravery which he has none of. He fall over on himself in cold fear. No he says I cant do this the old man is crazy.
An hour later Seanan creeps into Bhane’s room as he is sleeping. Quietly he moves to right beside him. He quietly takes the knife rolled up in the cloth out of his pocket and then proceed to stab Bhane from the side of his body.
Bhane looks up puzzled as he is wakes up. What are you doing Seanan and then quietly lie down death….
Seanan sneaks out and makes his way to the orcs palace.
Sunbeam
The village
Patrick O Brien isn’t a tall man . He is a little round ball of a man. Food and drink passes intermittently through his fat mouth . If a servant isn't quick enough he will either hit them with a piece of bone or kick them and fall on his ass afterwards .
He is the major of Kent on the Shore . His townsfolk is mostly rich layabouts. At a time they were the Independent Society and actually meant something as a force of resistance against the orcs. But over time the lure of an easy life has taken its toll and they were now supporters of the orcs. They secretly curse at the clerics a force of good that life's in the big mountains and descent to rain down the wrath of God on the heathens and spineless.
The clerics approaches their big black steeds almost as tall as elephants seems to float down from the mountains. Argghhkkk Patrick shouts them meddlesome clerics is here again.
A drunk is screaming at the gates of the local tavern the Scarecrow Inn . She was kicked out by a man named kulkeir a tough fellow who could curse like a pirate but had a good heart and grew tired of the stream of curse words that left her mouth. Her old dress is merely Tatters and she is so drunk that she falls 4 times on her arse as she screams her abuse at whoever is listening. Even flies is scared of by her stink.
Awake
Nix Lynx she was once a respectable woman but time took her toll and her penchant for dark and angry thoughts become ever encompassing. She can no longer form coherent thoughts a constant scream of incoherent angry words with bitterness and strange creatures flew from her mouth.
The few scarecrows that she had as friends also remained the distance bearable for such nose inducing stench.
Bright streams of light flows from the clerics and fall on Nix. She screams and run towards them and hit hopelessly against their tall horses. Krakken alights and grabs her by the head and shakes her a few times. Inside the final sense finally picks her up and with recognition she looks into his soft hypnotic eyes.
Repent he says for the final hours is upon your door.
Nux falls down and starts praying. Her scarecrow friends and Kullkeir follows suit.
Kraken approaches Patrick and says Repent child for this hour is the final hour to make your amends and repent your sins.
Patrick laughs and say Oh I will take my chances in front of the all the townsfolk that has gathered.
Repent the clerics says to the townsfolk who laughs in bear belly cackling. For an hour the clerics just softly says repent.
Then the townsfolk look up like a herd of cattle a tall wave of water is gently flowing to the gates of the town. It stands 50 times the height of a normal house and its tails is as far as the sea.
The time has come kraken says. The wave comes down with a massive violence. Patrick steps back one step and hold his arms in front of his face trying to protect him from the wave. It picks him up and then smashes his body with a massive thud into the ground ending him instantly. The other townsfolk suffers the same faith the legs and limbs is torn against roofs and doors and anything the water can smashes them in.
The group of stench with kullkeir is unharmed as the water flows around them without touching them. So also the clerics.
Lake of Fire
And as the final waves disappears behind the hills the men and woman of the scarecrow inn is huddles together and they have the fear of the one that walks the sea and as they huddle in a group their hearts is thud thudding and their stomach muscles is pulled tight and their hands clench each other as they remember he who commands the sea and his visit.
---THE END---
Bhane studies his meal he is no longer the fighter that he was in his prime. Time has caught up with him and he didn’t possess the eternal lifes of kraken and most of the clerics.
He has lately grown tired of all the politics: Its all the same. The fear of he that lingers in the sea is gone. Its no longer about fear its no longer about protection although they know he is roaming the lands.
Thick as a Brick
They have grown content and have dined them fat of the riches mostly plundered from the poor. The poor is hiding away in the mountains but they have to survive and how do one survive if one cant till the land so they make patches of land in the deep mountains and grow potatoes anything they can quickly harvest and leave at the drop of a knife.
Food is hidden in caves but even that is sniffled out by the orc hounds .
The clerics help the poor in this times. But that eternal order cannot be changed too much. The will to defeat the orcs has to be come from the peasants and the likes. Yet they are weak. The fight is beaten so quickly out of a starving man.
Bhane is not really concerned with this. He has grown old dining and striking deals with the orcs. His factories is full of slave laborers working till the wee hours . And orcs slave drivers that drive them near to death. In fact his trade with them is quite lucrative. But he still has the fear for he that lurks in the sea.
The Island
Krakken his eyes ablaze is at this time walking to the middle of an island a 1000 miles into the sea. He needs to go and look for the signs of the end times.
He saw the blue lady glimmering in a dream but maybe he was wrong.
As he came to the island where the heart of earth was housed he saw that there was a disruption. The heart was growing more grayer he could see that the end times was near. Time to go to the embryonic stage and then be carried to the new earth . Perhaps this time there would be a change. It was yet to be seen.
He know must prepare this world. He quickly made his way to the shores. The other clerics was already there their eyes was ablaze with fire. Indeed the time was upon the world.
The meeting
Bhane stand up and walks to the meeting room. He must discuss the orcs demands to get yet more. Like always each deal must be renegotiated till there is mere fragments of meat left on the bone .
He knows they belief in only 3 things power ,money and evil
As he enters his right hand man seanan cautiously follows him.
The man who sold the world
Orangejuice a fiendishly evil orc who has a tendency to scream in a angry high pitched voice is pacing nervously up and down the room.. He immediately says to Bhane as he enter we will pay now 7 iep per weps and that is all. And if you don’t like it prepare for war brother.
Bhane laughs at him like one laugh at a little child that is trying to beat you up.
Dumb
He walks to the window and look at the courtyard. I am an old man he says but I am not afraid of the likes of you. He curtly turns and walks out of the room.
Seanan runs after him his coattails flapping in the wind. Master he finally caught up out of breath shouldn't we atleast consider this I mean their slaves are working on our factories without them we will have to suffer again on the open market. And the thing is the orcs has grown strong we may not be able to beat them. They are not a match for my forces Bhane says and retires to his room.
Seanan is pacing back and forth he knows he is one of the biggest cowards on a battlefield. He knows as right hand man of Bhane he will have to show his bravery which he has none of. He fall over on himself in cold fear. No he says I cant do this the old man is crazy.
An hour later Seanan creeps into Bhane’s room as he is sleeping. Quietly he moves to right beside him. He quietly takes the knife rolled up in the cloth out of his pocket and then proceed to stab Bhane from the side of his body.
Bhane looks up puzzled as he is wakes up. What are you doing Seanan and then quietly lie down death….
Seanan sneaks out and makes his way to the orcs palace.
Sunbeam
The village
Patrick O Brien isn’t a tall man . He is a little round ball of a man. Food and drink passes intermittently through his fat mouth . If a servant isn't quick enough he will either hit them with a piece of bone or kick them and fall on his ass afterwards .
He is the major of Kent on the Shore . His townsfolk is mostly rich layabouts. At a time they were the Independent Society and actually meant something as a force of resistance against the orcs. But over time the lure of an easy life has taken its toll and they were now supporters of the orcs. They secretly curse at the clerics a force of good that life's in the big mountains and descent to rain down the wrath of God on the heathens and spineless.
The clerics approaches their big black steeds almost as tall as elephants seems to float down from the mountains. Argghhkkk Patrick shouts them meddlesome clerics is here again.
A drunk is screaming at the gates of the local tavern the Scarecrow Inn . She was kicked out by a man named kulkeir a tough fellow who could curse like a pirate but had a good heart and grew tired of the stream of curse words that left her mouth. Her old dress is merely Tatters and she is so drunk that she falls 4 times on her arse as she screams her abuse at whoever is listening. Even flies is scared of by her stink.
Awake
Nix Lynx she was once a respectable woman but time took her toll and her penchant for dark and angry thoughts become ever encompassing. She can no longer form coherent thoughts a constant scream of incoherent angry words with bitterness and strange creatures flew from her mouth.
The few scarecrows that she had as friends also remained the distance bearable for such nose inducing stench.
Bright streams of light flows from the clerics and fall on Nix. She screams and run towards them and hit hopelessly against their tall horses. Krakken alights and grabs her by the head and shakes her a few times. Inside the final sense finally picks her up and with recognition she looks into his soft hypnotic eyes.
Repent he says for the final hours is upon your door.
Nux falls down and starts praying. Her scarecrow friends and Kullkeir follows suit.
Kraken approaches Patrick and says Repent child for this hour is the final hour to make your amends and repent your sins.
Patrick laughs and say Oh I will take my chances in front of the all the townsfolk that has gathered.
Repent the clerics says to the townsfolk who laughs in bear belly cackling. For an hour the clerics just softly says repent.
Then the townsfolk look up like a herd of cattle a tall wave of water is gently flowing to the gates of the town. It stands 50 times the height of a normal house and its tails is as far as the sea.
The time has come kraken says. The wave comes down with a massive violence. Patrick steps back one step and hold his arms in front of his face trying to protect him from the wave. It picks him up and then smashes his body with a massive thud into the ground ending him instantly. The other townsfolk suffers the same faith the legs and limbs is torn against roofs and doors and anything the water can smashes them in.
The group of stench with kullkeir is unharmed as the water flows around them without touching them. So also the clerics.
Lake of Fire
And as the final waves disappears behind the hills the men and woman of the scarecrow inn is huddles together and they have the fear of the one that walks the sea and as they huddle in a group their hearts is thud thudding and their stomach muscles is pulled tight and their hands clench each other as they remember he who commands the sea and his visit.
---THE END---
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" All the king's horses and all the king's men couldn't put Humpty Dumpty together again."
ups, wrong tale ...
"Seanan creeps into Bhane’s room as he is sleeping. Quietly he moves to right beside him. He quietly takes the knife rolled up in the cloth out of his pocket and then proceed to stab Bhane"
et tu, Seanan
lol fiction of course
Part of the issue was that you did consider yourself Caesar, Bhane. Bit of grace in these last days, being vindictive always been your response to criticism but this time you can simply rise above it.
My values have not changed. Part of the issue was you helping validate a false narrative to retroactively justify the endorsement of enemies of the eIrish people. When good men like you join the whitewashing effort to protect e-criminals, then the country is headed for a bad end.
You have made your choice, and you are bringing most of the country with you. You and the clique should get all your hearts desire, and fill the ranks with dozens of little e-criminals. Then eIreland will be drained of all it's wealth, and positive community dynamics as scammers run free in the populace. Maybe then eIreland will learn that very hard lesson about empowering villains... again.
I'll be gone soon, and then you can rewrite whatever history about me they want to tell. You have obliged so far.
how much did you lose bhane ie how much did the orcs steal from you?
No money was stolen from me, RtK
Stop making assumptions, you are always wrong.
Yes, Bhane... I began criticizing the way you were handling Immigration 3 months ago in preparation for the exodus of CrOmega, the founding of The Labour Party and the approvals of Nogin the Nog, Chewchewshoe and Orangejuicemmm so that I could justify the latter approvals.
It had nothing to do with nearly half of applicants not being screened by ImmComm. Nor the lack of focus in seeking Foreign PTO Threats (Free Area? Absolutely no excuse) partly due to the focus on desirability.
/end of sarcasm
Whether its communes or taxes, Bhane, soon as someone pulls you up and scrutinizes your opinion, you come out swinging with personal attacks. Like accusing James and Nogin of fixing a buyer in the Army&Bootcamp supply network, or the selling of their tanks to MoF for overvalue prices. Or this latest "ICA apologist" rubbish. I certainly have views on "desirability", and I certainly retain my neutral stance even when it comes to exICA members but my main concern is lack of measures against Foreign PTO threats and you have not taken it seriously. You failed to accept my criticism was motivated by the performance of the ImmComm three months ago, and recently I've published the recording of ImmComm's activity from 2 months ago so that you can't ignore it.
My values have not changed. I'm consistent in criticizing anyone deserving, including you. You are not above reproach, and for all good you do, butter still does melt.
... and the ImmComm had the narrow focus of "only stop foreign PTO'rs, ignore all other threats to the country and it's citizens."
You know that was never the intention of the ImmComm.
Your report also stopped at half the story, because it better fit the narrative that justified your preference of players like OJ. You can keep writing propaganda that will enable e-villains. I hope you enjoy the results on the community. I can't stay and watch good people like you throw away the values this country has encouraged for the last few years.
I assume you'll be voting "no" to Ian's attempt to re-establish the ImmComm. I noticed the guidelines he wrote that have ALWAYS been part of ImmComm guidelines despite your lies in the rewritten false history you created in the dail.
"In discriminating between applicants, officers should screen first and foremost for any sign that the applicant poses a risk to the sovereignty of eIreland.
Red Flags include but are not limited to:
) A history of election tampering.
) The use of multiple accounts.
) Participation in political takeovers of any kind.
) Evidence of conflicting interests existing between the applicant’s loyalties and the sovereignty of eIreland.
) Comments or article expressing views which are antithetical to the existence of eIreland as a free and sovereign nation."
Policies like that would mean admitting that carte blanche approval for players like OJ was wrong. You have made a stand defending the idea that players like this should be welcome and embraced, and even lifted to positions of power and influence. Endorsing the guidelines above would mean admitting you are wrong for joining this new culture of shielding corruption.
1) I said the primary focus of ImmComm should be to prevent Foreign PTO - as every other Immigration body before ImmCom had always done. "Primary focus". I never completely ruled out desirability, only that 3-man committee which hasn't consulted the wider public what is considered "desirable" is an unsustainable position and a bloody hard one to reach consensus on.
I've made "desirability" criteria before for Immigration with my SERVICE GUARANTEES CITIZENSHIP initiative. Never went ahead as didn't have popular mandate. Just because you didn't put your criteria up for debate in a comprehensive fashion and relying on everyone just trusting you indefinitely is not an acceptable position for any Minister.
2) Half the story. Half of applicants weren't being screened. Three of those who let in unapproved applicants got re-elected high on the list (Frank Dobbs, Uncle Bulgaria, Irishboy). That had been ongoing since 4 months ago, only that I had a complete record for the next month and then you disbanded when Labour turned up.
I won't be voting on Ian's proposal at all because I'm a Minister and not a Dail member.
**But YES, I support it**
Because my stance is NOT what you keep trying force down my throat.
4 months ago, I believed the ImmComm's purpose was to screen for Foreign PTOs -only- as anything involving "desirability" had not been established. When Orangejuicemm's application was rejected, I asked "why?" because he wasn't Foreign. When I was informed that you had desirability criteria... I then criticized THAT.
Between selecting a powerful Croatian player and OJ, Croatian player every time - but regardless of my opinion / assessment of worth of OJ, your isolated criteria was up for debate and I debated it. I have NOT advocated to embrace such players, THAT is your words I will not accept being put into my mouth. My opinion on OJ is that I accepted the State's conclusion regarding him, but doesn't make him worth a citizenship pass.
The purpose of my criticism was to change how the ImmComm was operating because of certain unsustainable stances. The bit which I lobbied for is included under Section 5, which Coleman explains:
"- If the Office of Immigration approves and application but no TD wants to grant them citizenship, then the applicant is out of luck, and that's part of the system too. Btw in the stamps etc there will be details on the applicant so that TDs can decide on them - TDs will be more responsible for the desirability side, while the Officers will focus much more on whether there's a pto threat."
"4 months ago, I believed the ImmComm's purpose was to screen for Foreign PTOs -only- "
You may have "believed" that, but you were wrong then, too.
Your acquiescing to the "only foreign PTO" narrative to justify the approval and empowerment of very real threats to eIrish citizens. Maybe you fail to recognize that you have been indoctrinated into the protecting-corruption culture. Maybe you have just been duped. If that's the case, then all the people you influence will be duped, too.
Read the whole paragraph. Only reading part of the response and quoting the bit you THINK says what you want to hear is a politician's method. I hit you on what you say, and not your sly way of trying to implement invented stances in the argument.
* Yes, I did believe that was the case (because the controlling Immigration did not start when you took on the ImmComm and the precedent out lived you)
AND as I go on to explain...
* When you informed me that was not the case:
---I criticized a 3-man committee determining desirability
---I put forward my concern that you had a lack of focus on Foreign PTO Threats
---I began recording
---Initial observation suggested plenty of un-screened player were getting in, and the ImmComm approval of Free Area (a famous Serbian PTO which even the most MINIMAL amount of investigation would have revealed) confirmed that my concern had merit so I pursued.
YOU keep saying I have a "only foreign PTO" narrative.
NOT me.
I do not have a "only foreign PTO" narrative.
My stance is highlighted in Coleman's explanation:
1) "the stamps etc there will be details on the applicant so that TDs can decide on them"
2) "TDs will be more responsible for the desirability side, while the Officers will focus much more on whether there's a pto threat"
NOTE:
My narrative is that Immigration should be concerned with Foreign PTOs as a primary focus, and TDs should be concerned with desirability (with information from Imm and other TDs provided).
That's MY narrative. Apologies that it doesn't fit your assessment of my stance.
Let's pretend that the ImmComm was set to ONLY look for foreign PTO threats, as you lied in the dail. OJ and PP have a verifiable history of helping one of the most troublesome foreign PTO movements against eIreland. They both started the dominoes by opening the doors with cz approvals for the eBrit leaders of the PTO movement. Even with the very narrow parameters, both should be rejected every time, regardless of all the other red flags they have in the expansive list that the real ImmComm operated by.
Your "desirability" spin is just that... spin. You can keep pretending the approval of some players is totally justified, but you'll still be on the wrong side of this debate. You can rewrite history about the ImmComm and imply corruption to cover for your buddies. But that doesn't make this new kind of community you are encouraging any less dangerous to the average citizens.
"Let's pretend that the ImmComm was set to ONLY look for foreign PTO threats"
LET'S NOT.
Because that is not my stance.
That is the stance YOU have assigned me.
I reject your assessment of my stance.
THIS is my stance;
"Immigration should be concerned with Foreign PTOs as a primary focus, and TDs should be concerned with desirability"
I have NOT said and DO NOT believe the unapproved passes of Nogin the Nogin, Chewchewshoe and Orangejuicemmm were justified.
That is the stance YOU have assigned me.
I have criticized your METHOD of approval.
Your lack of anti-Foreign PTO focus.
Your lack of public consensus on desirability.
Your delusional sense of authority.
My criticism is SOLELY on the performance of the Immigration Committee and the Immigration Committee alone. There are NO other factors in my motivation - that is the part YOU have not recognized at all. Instead, you dismiss all my criticism as an act to justify institutional corruption.
I reject your slander. My criticism has valid points and deserves respect.
"Great minds discuss ideas; average minds discuss events; small minds discuss people."
Seanan
"ImmComm returning to its original purpose as an investigative advisory body against Foreign PTO would achievable by anyone willing to actually do the legwork.
As I said 4 months ago when the cracks began."
😁 Your half-true statement about the ImmComm's purpose being for foreign PTO investigation.
Foreign PTOs like the BCH, and all their friends in in the ICA clique (your new running buddies).
Small minds talk about people? well you have spent plenty of time in the dail slandering me, and my principles. If you want to villainize me, and help shield very real e-criminals, that's your choice.
From all my arguments with you, you know what is a common theme? Your inability to differentiate between criticism of your actions and attacks on your character.
I have never said your character is bad nor your intentions, but your method.
I have criticized your method/performance. Not you as a person. I can't not criticize a trait to promote the Irish cause, nor protect our sovereignty... I can criticize that you have slacked in anti-PTO measures.
You spent a great deal of time in personal PM trying to convince me to join the ICA effort to sweep past e-crimes of their members under the rug. Stop pretending you are somehow against the approval of players like OJ, when you spent so much time in PMs and the dail defending them
Even if I was best buddies with OJ, Bhane, even if my motivates were as sinister as you want to believe, the criticism would still be valid. I pick my battles well, the criticism of slack in anti-PTO measures stands up by itself.
But on the topic:
No, I was attempting to undo your bias. You saw my argument in your own light. When you asked how else you could see it, I told you I was trying to provide apathy. I trying to show that it was not black and white. I was trying to provide a holistic description from a time you two-clicked through. Not "defend" or "promote". But to establish true neutrality. Because you lost it, you isolate yourself and warped prescriptive come about.
You hold grudges against those who your criticized your ability to perform in the economy modules, yes from OJ but also from Nogin. I've observed your interactions with Nogin many a time.
The way you retreat into an argument... I've observed.
You were not present during the civil war. You were e-alive, but you weren't an involved partner. Your information is secondary. You say its valid because you were informed by an ICA member. As if the ICA were ever a single hive of thought. Neutrality in my mind involves the understanding of your own limitations.
Winstion etc weren't either. The thieves/scammers narrative from them isn't from experience, but adopted in response to a dislike of the eICA faction. All the conflict comes down to the incompatibility each person's visions of their version of Ireland. The eICA have their "ICA is Ireland" and you, among others, have your own.
Mine is that your version(s) will never exist. You cannot win the game, that is a message of Dio.
Personally, part of the reason I accepted the State's conclusion was because I was ashamed of my own faction who hated so much, and ashamed of OJ who continued the hate. We eventually sought to rekindle the lost pride, to re-establish that Ireland is not a single version.
The Ireland I have been helping for the last few years encourages inclusiveness of everyone (even the ICA). Our community has valued honesty, and integrity, and responsibility. Our community has asked everyone to show personal and social responsibility. Don't liken that to the ICA's "ICA is Ireland" mindset.
I'm not biased against any group. I opened my arms to Conway when he wanted to make amends and seek some sort of path of redemption for his minor role in the Marcus/SAWC theft. I would do the same for OJ if he ever showed an inkling of desire to rehabilitate. But he enjoys being a villain and a troll and a scam artist. As long as he wants to be the bad guy, then we should respect that decision and treat him like the bad guy. Not provide cover for him, so he can scheme without consequences. The leaders of eIreland want to shield him from being held accountable, and enable his bad behavior by making sure he suffers no consequences.
I am not biased for expecting all players to be accountable for their actions and behavior (regardless of faction). This new protection culture of allowing a chosen clique to be immune from the rules of society is biased. I hope you enjoy it.
You know what is the equivalent of what you just described?
"I'm not racist, I have black friends!"
I liken that you have a version of Ireland in the same way ICA have a version of Ireland. Libertad have a version of Ireland aswell, it doesn't include borders. Most person's version of Ireland differs from yours in that it also includes fun. My version of Ireland I'm hoping for is one where everyone stops thinking their version is superior.
There is an interesting point here. You say he wants to be the villain. I don't doubt he will oblige to be -your- villain, as you think so little of him. In the thread, you say to An Sluagh, that (paraphrasing): "of course" OJ doesn't represent a threat to you (An Sluagh) as hes part of your friendship group.
Regardless of your statement of neutrality, you believe OJ is not a threat to everyone but factions which aren't his own. Which by extension, his faction is a threat to you if they accept him. His faction, along with many neutrals (you know the ones who were actually part of this story), acknowledge him as a player in the game of thrones.. for me, a player in an Irish power struggle to have their own version of Ireland enforced.
I promote of culture of less hate and hubris, Bhane.
I'm all for less hate.
I'm not for turning a blind eye to corruption to pretend everything is sunshine and lollipops.
Now you can shout me down with another tsunami of words to drown out my posts.
And when we went through a trial (which you weren't part of and got your information from a secondary source), we didn't turn a blind eye and the State concluded along with those present.
YES, returning to original primary focus.
The primary focus that is Foreign PTO prevention.
In that particular sentence, I am missing the "primary" before the "purpose" as shorthand for the position I have been stating for last 3-4 months.
When we began, I have criticized your performance, your method but NOT you.
Let review the entire arguments in this comment thread, they include my ENTIRE argument.
I have criticized your performance.
In the logs RTK leaked, I criticized your performance.
In the logs still available, I criticized your performance.
Did I say your principles were immoral? No.
Did I say your values were sinister? No.
Did I attack who you are as a person? After being bombarded with the comments below which were present in both logs before this comment thread, where YOU assigned me immoral principles and sinister values based on a narrative YOU assigned me... Yes, I called you vindictive and unable to handle criticism.
Re-state: Unable to handle criticism.
Which is trait everyone bloody knows, but one of the few who will not hesitate even if you have to whine about it.
My favourite in the threads: "ICA apologist"
"Part of the issue was you helping validate a false narrative to retroactively justify the endorsement of enemies of the eIrish people."
"You and the clique should get all your hearts desire, and fill the ranks with dozens of little e-criminals"
"You have made a stand defending the idea that players like this should be welcome and embraced, and even lifted to positions of power and influence"
"Your "desirability" spin is just that... spin. You can keep pretending the approval of some players is totally justified, but you'll still be on the wrong side of this debate. You can rewrite history about the ImmComm and imply corruption to cover for your buddies"
Based on a narrative I did not say.
As I laid out in the comment above.
You really can't accept victory, can you?
You've won. This new toxic community you want to foster will make the game untenable for me. I can't watch the eIrish people used, and taken advantage of, instead of being respected.. You have successfully forced me out. Players like me would be a monkey wrench in the ICA culture that you are helping spread.
You don't need semantic spin and fancy wordsmithing create nobility in your position. You are the victors, you get to write whatever history you please.
This is the problem with you, Bhane. I'm not trying to win with some imaginary friends, I'm talking directly to you.
I have criticized your method of protecting Ireland. I'm saying your method is going to harm Ireland, we're putting ourselves at risk of a Foreign PTO because your method does not focus on it.
That is the basis of my criticism.
You don't see it. You keep saying it because I want to promote some sinister culture.
What if, I just want the ImmComm to delegate desirability for the Irish community to decide?
What if, I want the ImmComm to put their energy into defending against a very real threat of Foreign PTO?
There is no sinister motive.
I think your lack of focus on Foreign PTO is a problem.
Whether accepting OJ, Nogin and Chewie is going to usher in a new age of trolling and dark skies... I'm less certain of that than a Serbian overlord coming to a country which borders two other countries which they have been trying to PTO.
I do not want you to leave. I think you're a whiny ass baby, who takes criticism as a personal attack and lacks the modesty to admit they can sometimes make some mistakes - but you can recover from that.
I post reply here
Feel free to overwhelm my reply with a volume of text that still does not undo all the support you have given the protection culture in the dail, and PMs.
You have a real need for other's approval, Bhane. Even if I stood alone, I would not stop. I'm confident in my self to be outspoken.
A good proposal does not need a cohort of Yes men to succeed. It just needs an audience who recognizes a good proposal.
Who is it that has been one of the largest advocate for active debate, and respectful disagreement in eIreland's history? Oh yeah, that would be me. I don't expect everyone (or even anyone) to agree with me on issues. But rewriting history concerning the ImmComm to malign a legitimate decision is nothing less than a personal attack on the members. Helping the defense of an immigration violation that allowed the most heinous unredeemed e-criminals in eIrish history to break back into the country is damaging to the community.
But, you can't admit you're on the wrong side of this argument with many false claims you made about the ImmComm in the dail thread. So shout down this post with another wall of text.
that allowed *one of* the most
Advocate for debate... er when you aren't at the end of it.
Actually, Bhane, I agree criticizing your performance undermines your credibility and gives those who actually support Nogin/OJ/Chewie a platform to try justify it. Should I apologize for your slack in anti-PTO measures? Or should I have PM'd privately about it? Funnily enough... you did not recognize my criticism, so I lobbied the Dail for change. Unfortunately for you, Labour then disregarded you completely.
But I have not criticized your decision. I have criticized that you give more thought to a players desirability than Foreign PTO threats... you approved Free Area.. a famous Serbian PTO leader and nearly half of applicants weren't being screened. Which numbers I established by analyzing the inputs into the Dail threads, I haven't made them up, anyone who recorded them would know. If your ministry released reports, then everyone would know.
That's not re-writing. Numbers do not lie.
I'll admit that Free Area slipped through because none of ImmComm members at the time were familiar with his exploits, and the background check should have been more thorough.
Approval violations are just half the story. The ICA approvals will of course never be disciplined, since they hold themselves to be above the standards that they wish the rest of the community to abide by. They are supporting Ian ImmComm proposal, which is just a lot of words recreating the exact same thing it was before.
Just reporting the violations never looks at the followthrough on accountability. Violating players have been named/shamed in articles. Players have been dropped to the bottom of dail lists so they could not get back in for a few terms. Players have been asked not to run at all. Players have left the country before any discipline could be applied, but even that is the equivalent of removing them from dail contention so they could not repeat the offense. Not every time unfortunately, but certainly more often than you seem willing to acknowledge. Stop pretending the ICA is a victim in any way here.
Reporting the percentage of violations helped your defense of the ICA rogue approvals. It was the largest number you could get, and thus helped you protect corruption. If you had reported the number of violators that were never shamed in an article or moved near the bottom of the dail list (or not on the list at all), then certainly your number would be lower.
Numbers can lie, if you know how to manipulate them.
The difference in the Ian's proposal is that its not up to the Immigration Office to reject a candidate based on desirability. IO would provide information about an applicant's desirability, but their "approval" is just to say they aren't a Foreign PTO threat. The authority and decision to grant citizenship is firmly delegated to the Dail. It's a swapping of priorities.
Again, I reject that I was defending anyone's action. I was solely criticizing yours. In that mass of argument in the threads, I actually said to Labour that they did not seek to change the system they supposedly saw an injustice in, instead they just disregarded it which was not acceptable if they wanted to be taken seriously - they weren't victims, they provoked a problem. You might have missed it when you were furiously waving your manhood around, but then you always seem to be addressing a crowd rather than me. Not sure you actually read what I write... or when you do it reads "I'm a puppet of an evil regime which letting in 3 members spells the dramatic >evil change in the community and bringer of the end days"
Either way, I'd accept that including actions against violations would create a better picture of events. The previous month wasn't much better nor the one that followed, so I almost completely confident that this isn't a one off high number - but actions against violations would certainly add another layer to the debate. If such information was readily available to the Dail for me to access, the ImmComm reported their justifications and generally what I said about them being as accountable as any other ministry.
The new system Ian proposes is that Immigration has to report all of that, so this debate can remain in this comment section forever.
And I can say wasn't defending Labour's actions because the argument we had where I criticized you for these same reasons was leaked 3 months ago.
If you want to discuss what makes a complete picture, that's a debate you can convince and inform me on.
bhane I have told you 100 times that seanan goes googoo gaga over the ICA guys. Seanan/ Big Sexy Black Man/Dan Breen perhaps. but she has always gone crazy over them. Tbh I am disappointed in your dealings as well. I mean how many times have I said use the funds of the state for the people . But atleast we know now why government cant use that money. Lol and all of your stories and repeated lies lies lies. Why dont you come clean son. Your no hero . At the least you deceived the people of Ireland.
Personally all money we receive from you will be handed to beggars as its tainted money. And No I don want to receive your lousy 10 gold anymore.
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I hate it when replies just go blank.
The donations have already started, Krak. You are not on the list.
I'm sure I have accidently missed some players because gathering a list of ALL ACTIVE eIrish is not easy. I have used multiple sources, and every one has a few names that aren't on another. But, I have knowingly omitted 3 names... you, Vik, and OJ. I have 188 names that I have donated to, and will send more for tomorrow.
I thank you Bhane for leaving me out of your donations....
Saving me clicking reject button.
You bhane took active part in destroying this country and i find all of your assests toxic and soiled....would not touch it with a stick.
Your fake referendum, illegal rent of irish lands, giving rent money to foreigners and dead players, openly supporting thieves like conway.
You whine now against the very thing you actively supported not long ago
how many times did we say the money was stolen and you knew very well where that money was . I am very disappointed. I know you didnt steal it but still not telling the truth about this whilst we attack the MOF.
keep your money after all we dont need money really. I can play the economic game very well. and dont need money that was tainted.
Got bored after 3 lines of the actual article.
Read the comments section
Congratulations RTK, throw enough of this shit at the media fan, even if it can't stick, it manages to stink up the place.
well if you got bored with my articles I cant help you. thats your problem.
i dont understand you blame me for comments you know what you bunch did. I have full information now . if you want us to remain quiet you will get into contact with us. or this little storm above will be blown into a tornado.
You'd need access to the Dail threads for the full information.
... oh yeah
Actually, I was just congratulating you on actually having comment debate in an article that you didn't have to manufacture yourself
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Hi sorry late to the party can anyone summarise for me in two lines or less? Thanks in advance