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[New Era] Writing a Constitution - Part II

Dia 1,911, 11:47 por Goku Jones

Hey I would like to announce that I have changed my name from Sage Goku back to Goku Jones - because to be honest it was a little sillier than I thought it was - and I am running for New Era Party President again!

If elected, as PP I will produce a Constitution for New Era so that our members and our rivals all know where we stand on picking people for elections and running the party.

This is my current thinking on what I think the five main areas of party management are. There will be room for your comments and suggestions at the end in the great new comments system - a finished version of this constitution with your comments added will be in my PP Manifesto :)

Party President Elections
The Party President is elected in the game, nothing we can or should do to change that! There are two things we need some basic rules for though:

1. If another Party or Country tries to take us over, we need a way to get a single New Era Candidate.
I would say that if there is a real threat to us, we cancel all candidates and have the oldest/most famous/trustworthy New Era Member run and we all vote for that person to keep the party safe - this is a basic Anti-Takeover Strategy.
This person would then run a vote between the cancelled candidates to pick a Vice President who would run the party as usual.

2. If the Party President quits then we need a way to get a new one.
Automatically the highest experience person takes over; this is usually Hannibal (now renamed Churchill) who is one of our founders and neatly fits the oldest/trustworthy thing.
Again I think that a vote for a Vice President to run the party is the way to go.

I would give the safety PP holder the "Secretary General" title on the party page and the runner up in the PP election/person with the most votes other than the elected PP the "Vice President" title.

Country President Support
Most Parties have a Poll of its members to see who the Party supports for Country President because it's "Democratic". I think that this is wrong!

We vote for the Party President who sets Country President support. We vote for Congress who can sack the Country President. We actually all individually vote for the Country President himself. That is three democratic checks, why do we need a fourth?

I've tried to encourage several parties to work together to make a great joint candidate and manifesto. We cannot do this because between the 25th and 3rd, parties have different dates to have their fourth vote and sometimes fifth which cannot be changed easily. They won't even discuss things before the vote. It is chaos.

I think that the Party President (Vice President if we had a vote for a replacement) should just decide, free to work with other parties. If you don't like the PP's choice then you can vote for whoever you want to anyway!?

When I was last PP I did evidence based candidates - more articles meant that you got higher on the congress shortlist. This worked very well and caused an explosion of New Era media activity which was fantastic to see. Sadly, this was not continued but it must be!

The other thing I did was only put new players on the congress shortlist, those who either had never been a Congressman or were only a few months into the game. This didn't go so well, we didn't really get the teamwork we needed and got some silly laws proposed. Most parties have copied this which has really reduced the quality of congress - New Era is about experimenting and we were right to - but we must also understand when things don't work.

I think that we should have our best guys run and take the seats, doesn't matter if they are old or new - just players who have been active in the last month. They must sign a contract to be active, discuss before proposing laws, follow the citizenship gdoc and to vote together were possible.

I would give our most active Congressman the "Spokesperson" title and have them run our Congress - doing their best to get everyone working and voting together.

New Era is an idea, a feeling, a vision: eUK players can play eRepublik without fuss, without being harassed, without spending hours and hours on IRC/Forums - they can also have a party with HELPS them do better in the game.

A great idea I heard was having small groups brainstorming policies on particular areas - this can be open to everyone with open signups for a mass mail to talk about an area of policy.

I would give the "Councillor" title to the person responsible for running Policy votes using articles and the new comments system.

Our party membership number should be our main measure of success! I put together a recruitment spread sheet when I was last PP which we can use again and keep updated for future PPs too - it shows us who are active recruiters, stops us from PMing the same person twice and has loads of recruitment ideas.

We should be unashamedly HELPING new players and give them the information and in game items they need to have a fast start.

What title should our recruiters get? They should be our Congressmen in an evidence based system :)

If you are reading this and you are not in New Era, why should you join?

New Era is developing its members, not its leadership.

New Era is representing players who play the game, from the game.

New Era is experimenting with new methods and concepts, without fear.

We won't exploit you for votes, we will share with you what we have and you will share with us your new ideas. We don't just say this, we do it. Our Congress is full of new players, players from other smaller parties and we have tons of giveaways:

PM me to get this when you join New Era.

Watch out for these in weekly articles, comment to get supplied.

PM me if you take or want one of my jobs for a raise. This may be reduced soon with wages and gold prices dropping, but it will always be above the top paid job on the Job Market.

We have more from our members in articles and the party shout bar most days!

Get in touch at #NewEra and #BritishArmy on Rizon IRC, Comment or send me a PM.

- Goku Jones, New Era Congressman & Spokesman.


Goku Jones
Goku Jones Dia 1,911, 11:48

Party President Election Discussion

Goku Jones
Goku Jones Dia 1,911, 11:48

Country President Support Discussion

Talon Karrde
Talon Karrde Dia 1,911, 12:05

Trouble is that other parties won't follow suit- UKPP will have their poll irrespective of whether NE do or not, for example. Fine in principal, perhaps a bit lacking in pragmatism though.

Goku Jones
Goku Jones Dia 1,911, 12:44

Lead by example!

New Era will have the advantage if only we are free to negotiate our support in return for our policies being implemented. If nobody follows suit then we can decide any election we wish unless the PP misjudges what the members want and they vote against (Democracy!).

If parties do follow suit then we will have some nice coalition candidates appear rather than the current single party candidates praying for support chaos.

Sven Goran Duran-Duran
Sven Goran Duran-Duran Dia 1,912, 13:25

in rl, when the liberals decided to get into bed with the Tories, they didn't ask the membership which party to support. They worked out what they thought was the best deal THEN asked the party to vote on the deal YES/NO. This option would mean members would get a vote, but the executive would make the informed recommendation (what they think is best for the party) to the members who could then in turn vote yes or no.

Goku Jones
Goku Jones Dia 1,911, 11:48

Congress Discussion

Commander Dapper
Commander Dapper Dia 1,911, 12:00

Congress has been slack this term and does need a rethink there ! all good ideas !

Sven Goran Duran-Duran
Sven Goran Duran-Duran Dia 1,912, 13:21

With the new PR system for elections any issues with congress being slack must be dealt with by the relevant PP. So helping educate congressmen, and then, if necessary warning them and taking them off the list must be the the responsibility of the PP. Of course, the PP answers to his/her own membership.

Goku Jones
Goku Jones Dia 1,911, 11:48

Policy Discussion

Goku Jones
Goku Jones Dia 1,911, 11:50

Hit reply under the discussion area you want to comment on and give us your views, vote all comments you agree with!

Sven Goran Duran-Duran
Sven Goran Duran-Duran Dia 1,912, 13:29

when I left the PCP, they were on the verge of making some changes to their constitution and interestingly, what was discussed was having a constitution AND a manifesto. A constitution would be the bare bones of what we stand for - without going into the micro-management of it. the Manifeso would change from PP to PP and that would be what the PP wants the party to achieve, specifically, in that term - and what specific policies to pursue. I thought this was a good PCP idea and one that we may consider emulating.

Alphabethis Dia 1,911, 12:11

we already have MANY IDEAS:
such as fine tuning taxes, such as import tax, lower it to see if we can get more money.
new things in army, such strategies, such using feed shouts to coordinate damage,
such studying enemy damage to plan campaigns, new ideas such cataloguing existing information more than
creating more

Goku Jones
Goku Jones Dia 1,911, 12:45

These new comments are amazing for discussing multiple topics. We could really easily stick every idea we had in an article like this for a discussion then a vote

Alphabethis Dia 1,912, 07:22

we should do this: propose some policies ( like the ones above), let people vote on they want to discuss it( so no privacy compromised), if more than 15 people want a voting, then we set a private voting. If not, proposed policies are THE POLICIES.

Goku Jones
Goku Jones Dia 1,911, 11:48

Recruitment Discussion

howdyho Dia 1,911, 11:59

sounds gravy baby looks really good

CyberVirus07 Dia 1,911, 12:16

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WayneKerr Dia 1,911, 13:22

Nice to finally see something Goku.

Alphabethis Dia 1,911, 14:38

we have ALWAYS had policies, and this is not the first article about it.

WayneKerr Dia 1,911, 15:02

no, New Era had buzzwords and individual ideas.

You, I don't take your ideas seriously and AW is a congressmedalwhore (love you AW) so will write whatever for whoever will get him that medal.

Goku, on the other hand speaks from experience and knowledge of things that could actually be achievable in the game...

Alphabethis Dia 1,911, 15:13

My ideas are not only achievable, but some of them already implemented LIKE Carlini's detailed BUDGET. ( impossible in august 2012, for many).

WayneKerr Dia 1,911, 15:29

Alpha a detailed MoF budget is hardly your idea. The only reason we didn't have one before was due to lazy MoF. People have been calling for more information from our MoF for as long as I've been playing... It's not your idea and this article isn't in aid of your ego!

Alphabethis Dia 1,912, 07:20

I must admit one thing, you are a better troll than me.

Sir Nick Griffin
Sir Nick Griffin Dia 1,911, 16:19

+5 Points for well written article.

-10 Points for Illuminati symbolism.

Goku Jones is a Reptilian Mason.

Goku Jones
Goku Jones Dia 1,912, 03:31

It's the Azorius Guild Symbol from Ravnica - the guild is focused on... politics. The other symbols are from the same MTG Set.

Sven Goran Duran-Duran
Sven Goran Duran-Duran Dia 1,911, 16:42

Goku Jones for PP

jamesw Dia 1,911, 16:42

Not having a poll does indeed 'free you up to negotiate' but I am amazed you see this as a good thing. People don't just want an individual input into who is President, otherwise why would anyone take part in a Presidential poll, why would anyone join your party? People join parties to change things, and having an input into who is President is the biggest 'change' you can conceivably make in the medium term.

All your proposed change does is remove the voice of anyone who doesn't agree with your PP. So what then? You wave them goodbye as you did James Scarlet?

FINALLY: "A great idea I heard was having small groups brainstorming policies on particular areas - this can be open to everyone with open signups for a mass mail to talk about an area of policy." What a coincidence that this is the main change ESO started debating about putting into our Constitution a few days ago! So far your 'policy' is "lets make policy" or copied from ESO. Nice to see our way of thinking is having an influence on you at long last.

WayneKerr Dia 1,912, 02:49

UKPP have done this since 4eva... It's called using the party feed... It's not the domain of a single party nor is it groundbreaking Jamesw. I suspect every party has areas in which those with the inclination can discuss party matters...

Goku Jones
Goku Jones Dia 1,912, 03:37

Er Jamesw this was raised LAST WEEK within New Era and we don't have access to your forums to read your ideas.

"Input into CP" is helping someone produce their CP Campaign, their Policies and their Cabinet - PP deciding doesn't mean that he or the CP Candidiate isn't going to ask anyone!

Voting on which CP from another party you will choose means that you have zero input other than with the final choice which is often made for you a;lready with the Pro-UKPP / Pro-TUP split.

So this will get the active New Era members more invovled in producing CPs.

jamesw Dia 1,912, 04:07

We could play timeline, this was started nearly a month ago in ESO, etc etc - im not saying its a bad thing, in ESO we found more members had an input and raised points and generally found the process useful.

I would take issue with you thinking this will improve peoples input into candidates' plans though. Some candidates will say anything to get support, then go back on their promises. Others will outright refuse to offer positions in cabinet in exchange for support. As for ideas, I dont see how you need to support a candidate to offer them good ideas; these things should be party policy already, and openly proposed and discussed - regardless of who is president.

As for the 'split' - this month should show everyone the split is not pro-TUP or pro-UKPP anymore. Parties made their choices and there were surprises. A lasting 'split' is not around, a month-by-month change of parties support is to be expected, because the majority of parties will (or say they do) vote for candidates, not their supporting parties. Thus if TUP have a bad candidate, they'd get less support than if they had a good candidate - this isn't indicative of a party-line 'split', but rather, indicative of parties focusing on who they think is best in terms of capability, not supporting party.

Goku Jones
Goku Jones Dia 1,912, 04:21

Yeah sure ESO invented brainstorming groups, well done. We obviously have a guy on your secret forums copying your stuff...

You are defeatist. CP Candidates are currently badly organised and run based on their own party's policy and not a coalition. This is not a reason to give up and do nothing to improve things - lead by example - we CAN improve.

Since UKRP and TUP are still entangled, I don't think that a one off ESO/NE switch of support against year(s) of voting blocs is enough to say what you are saying.

Ayame Crocodile
Ayame Crocodile Dia 1,911, 17:25

Nice to see you getting on this Goku.

However still don't think counting the PP vote as the CP backing vote is a good idea. For one it's a good 16 days ahead of the CP vote and in almost every CP campaign the candidates haven't announced themselves that early.

Although I'm assuming you'd rather back parties than individuals... Which when only one person has the buttons and needs to be heavily active seems a rather odd thing to do.

Besides that, Members would no doubt like a say in who their party backs according to who is running. As well as the fact they may prefer one candidate for PP but not like who they would back for CP.

Interested to see how it turns out.

Goku Jones
Goku Jones Dia 1,912, 03:38

You have misunderstood a few things there.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby Dia 1,911, 19:39

Effectively a manifesto asking for his right to decide your own CP candidate with no need for further party consultation

Naturally the extent to which policy and people are bartered in exchange for support is also up to him too :p

Goku Jones
Goku Jones Dia 1,912, 03:42

1) Party Consultation is needed otherwise they won't vote on the 5th. We just don't need an inflexible and time comsuming poll BEFORE coalition negotiations start.

2) Yes being able to barter with the candidates (like you do in a coalition) is kinda the point. Virtually every IRL European Democracy does this so take your moralfagging to USA please.

Sir Humphrey Appleby
Sir Humphrey Appleby Dia 1,911, 19:40

I am also impressed by the vote count ratio to NE members' comments

p00kachu Dia 1,911, 20:12

To be fair, New Era are a fairly media-savvy party, but I had been in the game two weeks and was then inducted into congress after being ranked 4th out of our 10 final candidates. Goes to show that being new doesn't always set the president for your early stages within the game.

Goku Jones
Goku Jones Dia 1,912, 03:42

Isn't this new comments system great? Multiple discussions happening in comments and easy to follow!

Goku Jones
Goku Jones Dia 1,912, 03:46

Weekly Supply of 8 Q7 Tanks given to:
Don Dapper
Goku Jones (lol)

All New Era members commenting here will get it!

Danie Fox
Danie Fox Dia 1,912, 04:17

"New Era is developing its members, not its leadership."

New Era PPs:
September: Hannibal (joined in 2009)
October: Hannibal (2009)
November: Goku (2009)
December: Hannibal (2009)
January: Hannibal (2009)
February: Goku? (2009)

"In the Party President elections I want one of our rising stars to run." - Goku Jones as PP in November

Practice what you preach and occasionally try to develop your newer players rather than just your leadership. If you don't think any of them are ready then you need to ask yourself why, given that you've had at least 3 months to help them prepare.

Goku Jones
Goku Jones Dia 1,912, 04:59

Well we wanted Hugh (2012) to take over but he couldn't reconcile wanting to make everyone happy and wanting to take bold political descisions.
I wish him luck but I don't think his conflict avoidance strategy will get him for in eRepublik - at least in running parties.

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Dia 1,912, 05:07

We have talked about that Goku and it had nothing to do with 'not being able to make everyone happy' so stop being a scamp.

Goku Jones
Goku Jones Dia 1,912, 07:21

You said you wanted to support Butjam for CP but didn't want to cause a potential argument with Don Dapper to get it so you left without actually asking for it and giving us a chance - even though at least half of us already supported it.

Then you were upset that we didn't reshout something you never asked us to reshout and took that as nobody liking what you were doing - again not wanting to cause a potential argument by asking for it and again not giving us a chance.

Conflict avoidance where ironically you probally wouldn't have gotten any if you'd have gone ahead. You need to be more assertive.

Goku Jones
Goku Jones Dia 1,912, 05:06

Some positions at some points in time need experienced guys, at others you can slack off and experiment with unproven players. PP is one of those were you generally need a super experienced or super active guy and I'm the only one that fits either category at the moment.

The Media and then Congress are the ones were we can have new guys prove themselves and I'd much rather be spokesman to an active newbie then PP myself - it'll take time though to get them set up and ready.

TUP has suffered greatly for having newbie PPs with neither experience or activity in a crude attempt to copy New Era's newbie congress policy without understanding it - I understand your anger.

WayneKerr Dia 1,912, 06:09

Hugh4 CP

Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Dia 1,912, 08:03

No, that re-shout was an important change in the fundamentals in how the party operated and would for the first time have asked the membership their choice on who they wanted to back, as a party, for the CP elections. And how did I know you supported it because nobody said a word in support but plenty was said against what I was hoping to achieve...I asked if I should still push ahead and again nothing was said...talking of supporting me is one thing Goku but even in the PM i set up for the new Congress candidates you never even contributed in helping the newbies, not a single comment of support for them, you can't claim you support something when you stay stoney silent.

If my leadership skills are being brought into question by yourself then you really should sort your own out first mate. Thats not a flame, I am just a tad tired of you claiming you were offering support when you didnt.

Goku Jones
Goku Jones Dia 1,912, 10:30

Again you were avoiding conflict by not asking people for things, and yes sometimes you have to ask more than once if someone is busy elsewhere.

Dr Hugh Jardon Dia 1,912, 12:51

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Dr Hugh Jardon
Dr Hugh Jardon Dia 1,912, 12:52

So I should have stuck it out like you did as MolA? : )

Claire Louise
Claire Louise Dia 1,912, 13:01

He did ask didn't he and got no answer.

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