[Appleby] Day 5 - Move to NWoE/#NOTINMYNAME/Burn the Witch!
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by Sir Humphrey Appleby
okuhle Madoda usuku gents o7
Day 5 and we settle into our first real ****storm - temporary peace for the term but at what price? I expect the decision to make the announcement after returning from a beer festival yesterday probably correlates with the typical Applebian mismanagement involved in the process itself. I’d personally like to blame the ‘Old Tom’ Ale that didn’t remotely taste like it was 8.5%, but as sobriety has reared it’s ugly head after the appropriate hangover I can now suitably depress or infuriate you with my account and defence of our arrangement with the Argentinians.
I won’t try to hide the fact we had been trying to talk to Argentina since they initially AS’d Belgium. Newfag historians will happily point out what happened after that - we were completely ****ered, and no doubt the Argies thought little point in talking to the people they’d just soundly beaten. Come election day Mitte and I wasted no time in trying to highlight the damage caused after a month; tax income down by around 95%, new players not being able to directly join the eUK as there was no region to join, unable to process any citizenship requests and last but not least, no mongress. We certainly didn’t want to go the way of Brazil that was wiped for 8 months by the Argies, and asked if there was any way they could see their way clear to releasing a region so that we could avoid halving in size and face bankruptcy in a month.
To our complete surprise Vyc (their CP) agreed, having watched the plight of the Brazilians himself, and offered to try and get us back a few regions for free. I thought this was too good to be true given the proud casual racism of Argentinians towards us and indeed after a day of discussions it was obvious that he but not the majority would be happy with a purely good will gesture. I thought if we had even reached this stage then perhaps throwing something like 50k at them may be sufficient kowtowing to the crazies so we could at least get new eUK players again and it’d take about 40 times that much in COs to win a fight anyway. It felt particularly ridiculous to me that the eUK should have to pay for it’s own region back so I pulled a mini-Scarfar, loaned meself 50k and should pay back the BoE by the end of the term after considerable help from Woldy, Dave Trenga and ol’ Pfieffer.
This underlines my deeply cynical belief that we have absolutely no chance of unilaterally removing the Argentinians by force. By extension a full liberation would only be achieved by a significant change in the regional balance of power that has not materialised and doesn’t show much signs of change in our favour. I expect both friend and foe alike are ashamed that I have decided unilaterally that I do not want to spend the rest of this term off the map and leave the next government unable to negotiate a path out. I am happy at least that my mismanagement of the process has allowed a political discourse other than ajay is a **** to at least diversify our range of opinions…
I am quite fairly receiving criticism of talking to the Argentinians without Irish involvement. Unfortunately it appears Argentina is unwilling to give them an inch after explicitly warning them there would be no diplomatic way out when they decided to NE Argy and we even warned them we would probably be wiped for months until a diplomatic solution. I had highlighted that the effects we were feeling were being felt in Ireland but it appears Don’s government is a complete nemesis to the Argies and that our appeals for them would fall on deaf ears. Drank a beer, went to bed, and completely forgot to mention it to them in the morning. Yup, impeach on it’s way…
But I haven’t quite got to the worst of it yet. With freedom apparently comes responsibility - and your gov has certainly signed to a few of them in return for liberty and taxes. I’ll hand over to the Argy CP to list them...
The main points of the above is that the gov isn’t going to start anymore RWs (we always lost them anyway), we’re not going to try and AS anybody (we can’t afford it anyway) and that we don’t be a headache and tank billions against them in their important battles. These may seem like incredibly shackling conditions but my interpretation is that we can live with them until the winds of change forces another reshape of Northern Europe.
Sorry lads, I let yer down. Drop me a message with your concerns and I’ll do my best to respond to it fully.
Apples o/
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"How do you know she is a witch?"
"She looks like one"
"She turned me into a newt!"
"She made peace with the argies..."
/me prepares to drown the Applebe to see if he floats
Yes you guys can blame me too 🙂
I really think this was the best way to go for Britain short term. Be patient be glad to have a region and I predict it wont be too long that we see the eworld reshape itself differently...soonish.
About Ireland, Appleby explained, nothing more to add really. If Ireland wants a region I will gladly help with negotiation but I need them to be trustworthy as I expect you guys will be.
Regardless of any behind-the scenes politicking, the important thing is that we are back on the map. That was something which was never going to happen militarily unless there was a sudden shakeup in the worldwide political sphere. No matter how much certain Argentinians, Irish and UK citizens might bleat about being betrayed, I welcome this agreement (even though it means having Manchester as capital) as a step forward after a terrible month for the country. o7
The Concerns I had.
1. Paying (50k) for our Region.
2. Ireland
1. Knowing that you'll pay back the money has completely removed this issue.
2. Now I like Ireland, but thought all along that them NEing Argentina was madness.
The eUK has offered to help them negotiate with the Argies which is all we can do.
Ireland NEing Argentina while it wad a nice gesture of solidarity it was a bad move and now there is very little either if us can do.
Conclusion
Either we both have no regions or no one of us does. Ireland are paying for their own suicide mission. eUK will help as best we can but stop being butt hurt children.
You have never wanted friendship with Ireland.
Yes, this must all have been an elaborate scheme designed to wipe out the Irish. Well done to all who took part in this mass delusion, you fooled me too. I thought we were in trouble for a moment.
Why are you perpetuating this bollucks line - it is just NOT true!
Not true how would you know, I only speak the truth I wouldn't make a statement to make me look silly without backing them up and providing evidence , like this print screen from congress a while back
http://i58.tinypic.com/19uicm.jpg
Here is a vote on ireland mpp a little while back here you can see the CP saying No, so it is true also we have massacar saying no, in fact all the old fags saying no
Crikey - where did you trawl that piece of ancient history from? It is a long time ago that we had a Commander Dapper in Congress!
I think that producing very old and out of context screenshots is not going to assist you attempt to stir up discontent between eUK and eEire.
Please stop this now - it is not good for either occupied eUK or occupied eEire. Let us focus on more productive strategies that will lead to liberation of BOTH countries!
Short term solution to a long term problem imo.
Argentina won't be the last country to attempt a wipe of the eUK, it's the nature of the game.
You have voluntarily opted to betray a country that was willing to be wiped to help you. Regardless of your opinion on the move, there are very few (if any) others who would do the same.
So there is something for you to think about.
I highly doubt eIreland will be willing to try and help next time. It also makes the eUK look like a terrible ally which is a serious matter but I'm sure you all can handle it. Best of luck.
It was such a stupid idea NEing Argentina.
That's lovely.
I'm not here to argue. There would be nothing more in it than a pointless exercise.
Best of luck.
um...he's not from the eUK and he's saying that.
That's lovely.
Once again I must post out that I am not here to argue.. hence why I have not commented on other players opinions which they've posted, despite disagreeing with them.
However, I will point out that, from your comment you seem to be trying to cause a bigger problem between eIreland and eUK... which is pointless.
Any argument on this matter is futile so I won't be wasting my time or anyone else's.
Once again, best of luck.
*point not post
*player's not players
You can't hold a stupid grudge on a country which had no say on what the president did. You can hold a grudge on the president, but the eUK didn't betray eIreland. Appleby did. I didn't betray eIreland, did I, and I'm part of eUK. I will fight in every battle regardless of what the agreements are. Many people will do the same.
I was actually thinking about it more since I made that last post and came to that conclusion. I had even said it to another player xD
Even though it's very true, as it seems that most of the people in the eUK are not happy about the decision, it will still be a bit harder to go hell for leather for you guys. I would like to think we can still get along with the right people 🙂
Indeed, I would rather Ireland holds me to account over the current terms than my community. I expect a considerable amount of the UK will still be firmly fighting for Irish independence irrespective of the terms.
Unfortunately I do not see our damage remotely denting the Argy wall until there is a major change in Northern Europe's balance of power. With the shields incoming I had to make a call with the few options we had left.
Hi, Im argentine v.mod
Do you know the difference between UK and Ireland??
We attacked UK, so every deal would be possible
But Ireland (as Venezuela) made a suicide movement attacking us all together. Our CP talked to them saying that if they voted "yes" that NE he would do as much as he can in order to get them erased as much time as possible. We said clearly that we wouldnt attack Ireland because we didnt need their bonuses and had no intentions of bothering them.
So, I think it was clear: If UK dont deal by themselves it would be impossible to deal for both countries. Each country is a very different situation, and once we get the shield it will be very hard to get free, thats why both cp (uk-arg) managed to solve it in a single day.
So this is just showing that eIreland didin need this war and we still decided to do a great sacrifice in order ti help our "allies".
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RIght, its a way of see it.
If Ireland would have also fought hard for UK together with them it could also be another possibility without consecuences...
Well I am glad you stated your opinion, I respect eArgentina as honourable adversary but I am very dissapointed in eUK.
"... once we get the shield it will be very hard to get free..."
We weren't getting free anyway; what you really mean is us holding regular RWs, even if we lost, would slowly but surely drain your shield, so getting paid 50k to avoid that drain seemed like a good deal.
Yur right!! Today for example, Uk opposit. opened a rw and waste 10k (we still havent shield) and seems to fight hard. Finally we re winning without setting any co. So, as u say: in a way is cheaper to pay 50k instead of trying 5th times.
The Gov couldn't afford to hold regular RWs; they were almost exclusively started privately. I expect people will continue to start them anyway but as V4LEN said 50k out of my pocket is a bargain given it would've lasted 2 minutes as COs
:facepalm:
I've pleaded to my countrymen for the eUK as soon as I noticed it was wiped (I was inactive). Been told Argentina was not planning to stay for long, and a deal was going to be eventually reached.
I honesltly stopped worrying.
I've pleaded to my countrymen for Ireland as soon as I noticed it was wiped. Been told Ireland NE'd Argentina first, even after being assured Argentina had no desire for irish regions AND warned Argentina will show extreme prejudice if it was attacked.
I gave up.
Ireland should ask someone to negotiate for them. Not only should be someone they trust, but also someone that Argentina will trust any guarantee he/she makes in place for Ireland.
Hell, it doesn't even need to be an argentinian friend.
Even an enemy wil do, as long as he/she is respected.
What eIreland should do is not "ask someone to negotiate for them", but simply to pick their allies better in the future.
ello Baron, nice to see you still about o7
aye I tried to negotiate buying Ireland a region but was told that it would be impossible as soon as Ireland had NE'd them. I have made the controversial decision to go ahead getting us a region anyway...
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lmao
What good is a region if we have to live in SHAME.
This SELL OUT is a SELL OUT however you try to dress it up.
Fight the Argies to the end. Better wiped than disgraced!
you are more than welcome to live in exile but I for one want to see new players and our taxes back...
new players can join without any regions
I don't understand why Ireland is holding a grudge against the UK. IT WASN'T THE UK WHO BETRAYED YOU. We had >>>>>NO>>NO>>>REAL>>>NO>>>NO
There have been times in the past the UK has helped fight for Ireland as allies but a month or two later when France and/or Canada invaded, the Irish took it as an opportunity to stake a claim for Northern Ireland.
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Well Appleby is CP of eUK and he represents the people of the eUK. I am glad to hear that many eUK citizens are against that shameful agreement. If you as a nation are ashamed of his deeds it would be reasonable to replace him with some other person that will lead the country in the good way. If he will still be supported by the majority of the eUK population (after what he sad done) that means that his act of threason is supported by the majority of the eUK too, because otherwise you would put someone else in charge. We in eIreland made our move by showing our discontent with the new agreement, it is up to eUK to make a next move. I still hope that somehow our 2 nations will remain friends and allies.
Tom, what you are saying makes no sense at all. You are saying that the majority of the UK support this because we voted for appleby? Ok, at the time of the election, how on earth were we to know that he was to do this. Also, don't speak unless you know the facts. The UK is in a tricky situation because the person who would be after Appleby is King William the Great, who no one likes because he took over a party (my party) using multis, he badmouthed many senior citizens. He is also a general trickster and fraud who would lead this country into decline. We have also found out that he is the renowned 'ajaybruno' from America who was nothing but trouble and was permanently banned for multis. The facts I give you here about him are just the icing on the cake. So, before you judge the whole country, read up on it first please?
No I dont say that majority of the eUK support his agreement because they voted for him I say the majority of the eUK still supports him because days have passed and he is still your CP. If something like this happened in eIreland we would have had new CP in 24h.
Most of us aren't happy with the UK decision, but the blame lies solely on the mind-boggling Dáil decision to NE the Argies. There was only ever going to be one outcome to that and now the country (what's left of it) has to put up with the foolishness of the hawks in what goes down as one of the worst decisions in recent times.
An impeachment right now would be quite possibly the worst thing for the UK, considering that would give "King" WIlliam the Presidency. This self-styled "monarch" has done serious damage already, disenfranchising a large part of his own party and dictating party policy. To give him any position of power in the country would be irresponsible to say the very least. Yes, Appleby might have made the wrong decision (depending on your viewpoint), but rather him in control than some dictatorial pretender who refuses to identify his previous (and potentially current) eRep identities in public despite having being asked to do so multiple times.
If I knew that Appleby would betray us I would have been against NE on eArgentina. Since we didnt know that we did what we tought was right and proper. We are respected because we play honourable and beeing wiped for some time is not the end of the world.
Sorry Ireland it appears our government have let you down and UK players.