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You are being to general ED, when has CW or IPC said we wanted to get pushed into TWO? We just don't like how the admission into CoT was handled or if it was the best thing to do at the time.

You are right though, CPF dont vote for your party our of loyalty, vote for proper debate and deliberation, VOTE CW

Look at the voting numbers. the MDP had to support it if CW did not. Wait until you get into CDC and see who argued the hardest to do it and who argued cation.

Commit to the 3 month trial.

DMV did not even have a vote.

Half a congress participated on that vote due to game mechanics. The CP, with less than three votes in ten of support, pushed the agenda.

@ED

DMV didn't vote and neither did any eCanadian citizens

We did get excited by the prospect of a direct war between USA and Spain and the opportunity to get our regions back and there was a deadline for a CoT meeting. After being wiped for 8 months you do tend to jump at opportunities when they are presented. Caution just prolonged the wipe.

A deadline? So CoT will no longer be accepting new countries into their alliance?

It was a monthly meeting.

prospect of war between USA and Spain. I thought that war shocked a lot of eUSA officials and was done after we joined...

Maximus the NE of Mexico and Spain was real at the time of the vote. It was only later it got downgraded to training war status.

Yes, vote the most inactive citizens.

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So we ask for a frank and open alliance discussion and suddenly are in favour of TWO? Your bullshit is pretty deep here ED.

The only think you'll get if you vote for MDP/CW/IPC is an open and honest government, accountable to its citizens, not political masters south of the border.

Do I personally favour TWO as an option? Yes, 100%. Does this mean I would make secret, backroom deals to ensure this outcome? Much like CPF golden-child DMV has done? No, I have more respect for eCanada and eCanadians than that.

Spin it however you want. You're just mad that the Military Dictatorship Party is more respectful of eCanadians than the CPF is.

Commit to the 3 month trial period that your party along with others committed Canada to.l

Why would I commit to anything?! I'm not running for CP or Congress. My party will be able to vote its desire in any Alliance discussion. I just want all options examined with a careful eye before committing the nation.

Unfortunately our CPF backed CP has already committed us with his rushed and hidden vote. Not a great measure to stand behind.

We only committed eCanada to a 3 month trial period. That is all. After that time all parties should have a clear picture of the relationship benefits and disadvantages. The CPF was not the only party voting for it obviously.

obviously, but it was a stunted congress. No 'emergency' was this important that we had to act as fast as was done. Your messiah CP made a grave mistake and you guys have been backpedaling ever since.

The party didn't commit, less than a handful of congressmen did.

Well Addy I assumed they talked it over with their party. We at least had our conversations.

Not sure whatever medication you are on that give you these hallucinations, but keep driving off that cliff. Just means more support for CW when CPF loses their minds.

Agreed. If anything the Nation should sit up and take note as I can not think of anything other than a VERY serious issue that would have CW and MDP cooperate.

I was laughing earlier but you do have to realize what Leo is saying.
For something to be so serious that CW and the MDP work together...
Mortal enemies.. Yeah.. we are in tough times and we are very quickly losing the country we know.

American style politics has no place here and needs to return back to the usa.

My team of psychiatrists assure me that I am actually getting better.

You're actually talking to a water fountain. You some how skilfully dressed it up in your pants, but it is still just a water fountain with limited psychiatric diagnosing skills. Just thought you should know. Also, please put your pants back on.

They might of put something in the water.

Seriously.. We are the Trio of choice....

We will not push anyone into Two.. Where the heck did you get that idea? Leo's personal wants does not reflect the country and he knows this.

Also where did you get the idea Leo was the leader? This is a joint talk that has no leader. The leader will be the person that wins the next CP race.

Stop telling us to give the 3 month trial a try..

What we want is for eCan to have a choice and say in the matter.. you know.. What you guys took away.
My personal hopes is the next CP makes an article explaining that we will put the alliance to an official vote so everyone can have their say. Then we will follow what eCan wants.. Not what 1 person or the USA wants.

We are an EXTREMELY proud country that values our personal freedom of choice and say.
We will bring that back to eCan.
CW is pro eCan and pro its people. When people step up to remove freedoms or choice from the people we will go right to the throat with whatever other groups care to stand with us.

Vote for the return of choice to eCan. Vote to return to a system where you have a say in the direction of this country and a direct impact on its growth.
Vote IPC/CW/MDP/eCan

I'm definitely not the leader. Maybe the most vocal, but not the Triumvirate leader.

Our loving father perhaps though.

In fact, we're more of a co-operative as opposed to a traditional organization. We all bring ideas to the table. The only thing that actually binds our parties together right now is our mutual shock at how CPF is willingly removing choice from our citizens.

Why is there only one vote button 🙁

There is always a leader. Leo has great leadership qualities. The CP is seldom the leader, despite the fact he/she has access to the shiniest buttons.

10 congressmen. Vote 8-2. Obviously the CPF is not solely responsible. I'm the only on arguing my position openly while the others hide.

It was rushed and the information fed was VERY 1 sided. You can read in the articles we posted after the fact.. Congress players were saying.. We didnt think about that.. We should have had more time to talk it over. Some say they regret voting yes..

When you rush people and shove YES in their face non stop of course they will post YES thinking it is the right choice.

Alliances should be talked over in mass for a good amount of time. not rushed in a matter of hours and shoved in peoples faces with only half facts without ANY talk of possible consequences...

Oh, so none of the others have to take responsibility for the actions. Just I do?

Some have taken responsibility in other articles and most if not all explained their reasons.

I dont know why you would say that... I am not questioning responsibility at this time. I am just explaining our reason for working along side with the MDP and what brought us to this point.

Again.. Its not COT.. its how we got into COT that we are fighting.

Also there was only 8 votes, two of which were no. So the real standing is 6-2, how is that a deciding factor for the people with almost all the YES votes being from DMV's supporting party, CPF.

In game vote was 8-2. Everyone voted. CDC vote sounds like your numbers. Were they published?

Clearly most people don't feel that way, look at the results so far.

So you're all planning a coalition for the next CP? Well you'll have some tough candidates to face, one a CPF member and the other (to a lesser degree now I suppose) DMV

Too late now, might as well. I won't stand to ruin our reputation internationally because of some domestic squabble about how things were done.

As for the anti-CPF democracy feelings I'm sure everyone's feeling; everyone wants power am I right. If you don't trust the CPF now, then who did you trust to run the country in the past 4 months (our supported candidates won each time). I can't think of anything else right now, the GO Train is making me sleepy 😛

"(our supported candidates won each time)" No, Lelouch was your supported Candidate last month, not DMV. Switching teams doesn't qualify to the situation.

Yes, same as in July, where we switched from myself to Pat.

My point is still valid.

Also, don't tell me your buying this PTO stuff too?

"All the CPF is asking is you allow eCanada to serve out the 3 month trial period in CoT."

All Leo is asking people to do is support a more democratic approach where the vote occurs BEFORE the decision is made, not after. The issue isn't CoT per se, its how eCanada got into CoT.

"The damage caused by reversal at this point would be devastating to our foreign policy no matter what you think about CoT."

You are absolutely correct, and you just stepped off the cliff ED. Whose actions put eCanada in this predicament?

3 of the top 4 parties in congress supported the move. This is not about me or the CPF. But at least I stand up for what I did and explain my thinking. This is a representative democracy.

Is this how the decision was made to join Asgard?

I wanted to get our regions back. I saw an opportunity with the US, Spain war imminent. After 8 months of wipe you learn to take advantage of opportunities. I was just 1 of 10 though. Why don't the other parties members explain their thinking?

Most of them have explained their thinking already.

Its rather funny to see CW and MDP getting all close and cuddly here. If I recall past PP conversations had a tone of lets work together to stop the MDP from getting any sort of power, and lets not trust that crazy IBB dude. Sounds like both parties are scrambling to sell themselves out for a sense of power.

It's actually the opposite. We're willing to share 'power' in order to ensure a more democratic eCanada.

hey that crazy dude IBB is out so things are more agreeable 😃