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The Problem with Work Tax.

2,124일 06:32 Pakistan에 게시 미국 - Dio Makso
The article below is an *abridged* version of an article originally done by Kemal Ergenekon.
~ I have edited it at the request of a friend from the Admin team who contacted me.
1. The most important point addressed is that they are working on fixing this issue and will come forward with more details about it.
2. Other publications of this article have been deleted due to screen shots of ticket conversations. I was asked to even remove links to them, which I have mostly done, but I feel like I should leave the link to Kemal's gdoc as it tells the whole story... I hope that does not cause a big problem and get this deleted.
3. I have also removed the part personally addressing a member of the moderation team, as I just want the problem fixed and have no personal stake in that fight.
4. Formal Admin response here: http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/latest-updates/0/62




IF YOU WANT TO REPUBLISH, USE THIS REVISED VERSION TO AVOID ARTICLE BAN.

https://docs.google.com/document/d/13LkruyCkKqxUDkIBotvQdbiJxCNo7PBuDvAdd25BUJo



Kemal's Posts:

ADMINS ARE STEALING YOUR TAXES!

ARTICLE: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2317884/1/20

VIDEO: http://youtu.be/-tZLq_QI-AY

GOOGLE-DOC VERSION BEFORE THIS ARTICLE GETS DELETED: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qb3AHBRBSpVC__iUmOflfvTVvd7hWR3Abf6FWYXemqw/edit?usp=sharing

PASTEBIN VERSION FOR THOSE WHO WANT TO REPUBLISH: http://pastebin.com/7JK2z3fV

http://tinyurl.com/PlatoStealsTaxes





ADMINS ARE STEALING YOUR TAXES!

VIDEO: http://youtu.be/-tZLq_QI-AY

GOOGLE-DOC VERSION BEFORE THIS ARTICLE GETS DELETED: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1qb3AHBRBSpVC__iUmOflfvTVvd7hWR3Abf6FWYXemqw/edit?usp=sharing

Dear eRepublik players,

The admins have been stealing the taxes paid by employees at least since the implementation of the work tax. Here is how it works:

- You get a job, let's say the wage is 20 CC.
- Let's also assume the work tax rate is 10%.
- You work. The employer pays 20 CC. You get 18 CC.
- You would think 2 CC would be sent to the government treasury, right? IT DOESN'T!!

How did we discover this?

The eUS Economic Council was conducting a test to measure if the new average wage value was working as intended. We tested it by paying a wage of 123,456 CC to a trusted individual (A Central Bank officer). The tax rate at the time was 25%. He earned 92,592 CC, and the employer lost 123,456 CC.

I record the gold and CC levels in the treasuries of top 20 countries every hour. This allows me to measure the income of the countries and get rid of the effects of donation and MPP laws. So I have an hourly record of the treasury.

Here it is: https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Ak438Ll3T2QBdFd0NkIxclVSei1RUjBqQkhHZEFqWXc&usp=sharing

I opened the logs after the experiment just to correct the tax income by the amount that should have been sent to the treasury (30,864 CC) so that we didn't count is as tax revenue for the purposes of determining our expenditures.

It wasn't there. At the time bracket when the experiment took place, there was no increase in the magnitude of 30,864 CC. Neither was there one in the following hours.

We repeated the experiment, checking the treasury three more times. The situation was the same.

Just recently Oblige has repeated the experiment, and recorded the process as a video. Here is the Youtube link:

VIDEO: http://youtu.be/-tZLq_QI-AY

It seems like the revenue is being divided by a thousand before being sent to the treasury. Good job there admins. A very telling mistake.

In short:

The admins have been stealing the income taxes of all eCountries for at least a month, perhaps longer. If we didn't do the experiment, we wouldn't have noticed it.


What did we do after we noticed? We sent multiple tickets. First I urged president Oblige to send the ticket. I thought his ticket would be taken seriously, given that he is the CP and is a dedicated gold-buyer. He was ignored.

Then I sent a ticket myself. Here are the results. Please read it starting from below:



TICKET IMAGES REMOVED SO ADMINS DO NOT BAN THIS ARTICLE.
If you want to read them, use the links at the top of this article to Kemal's Gdoc.



One month has passed and nothing was done. eRepublik Admins and especially the incompetent Alex S. deserve their thievery to be made public, so I decided to write this article.

eUS lost 30,864 x 4 + 22,839 = 146,295 CC during the experiments.

It is estimated that eUS lost and additional 125,000 CC due to the tax revenues from citizens which didn't make it to the country treasury.

Plato stole 271,295 CC from eUS alone, which exceeds our weekly revenue. How much did he steal from your country? Only he knows.

Here is what should be done:

(1) The admins have to pay all the taxes lost to the countries. My dialogue revealed that they have logs of all wage payments, so they have enough data to calculate the taxes lost.

(2) They should apologize and ...

...

Thanks for reading thus far, and please spread the news.

Peace,
Kemal Ergenekon

Shout copy/paste:

ADMINS ARE STEALING YOUR TAXES!

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2317884/1/20

Vote & shout!



IF YOU WANT TO REPUBLISH, USE THIS REVISED VERSION TO AVOID ARTICLE BAN.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/13LkruyCkKqxUDkIBotvQdbiJxCNo7PBuDvAdd25BUJo

 

의견

Dio Makso
Dio Makso 2,124일 06:36

Vote/Shout/Republish. Every nation should know this.

dodial
dodial 2,124일 06:49

We have known admins deductions from tax receipts for a long time now Max. At least our administration did when I was in cabinet.

El Manolito
El Manolito 2,124일 06:38

Voted

dodial
dodial 2,124일 06:49

Admins have been stealing long before that. I conducted very similar experiments on import duties back in the days when bot was active. I can tell you with confirmation that even as far back as a year ago, they were stealing 50-60% of import duty. The stealing is not limited to work tax.
I think they have some algo sitting there trying to balance out the currency/gold ratio in the game. Suffice to say that the methods they have chosen is illegal and immoral in the realm of the game.

TomislavRexCroatorum
TomislavRexCroatorum 2,125일 06:29

They sell gold for real money not cc so i guess if they "kill" cc by removing it from game to make gold less worth, guys that buy gold will have to buy more gold. Expensive wep and food, weak gold is their goal.

Dr. Walter Bishop
Dr. Walter Bishop 2,124일 06:56

The Admins, Took Kemal's article down, I reposted, then Pfeiffer did too and the admins took ours down as well.

Dio Makso
Dio Makso 2,124일 06:59

Use the version I linked above in the green brackets. It should be safe.

Arfan-Khan
Arfan-Khan 2,124일 07:17

Voted!

Weekstrom
Weekstrom 2,124일 07:29

Sorry guys, but the way you tested it is most likely the cause. By using such a large amount the max integer value of the calculation field will most likely overrun and cause this effect. Programming error of course that shouldn't occur, but not a problem when using normal wages. If you would be right we as a country ought to be filthy rich now as our extra tax income would increase 1.000 fold...

Weekstrom
Weekstrom 2,124일 07:30

if you want you can test this theory; Divide wage by 10 and try again. My guess; now the difference is a factor 100...

Dio Makso
Dio Makso 2,124일 09:50

If I posted this for nothing because our tester missed that detail... Damn. x_X

Dio Czenishkov
Dio Czenishkov 2,124일 10:28

You mean to tell me this entire shitstorm could have been prevented by a single sentence of cogent explanation?

Mohammad Bilal
Mohammad Bilal 2,124일 08:58

Voted!

Dio Makso
Dio Makso 2,124일 09:37

Article revised.

Majid.esf
Majid.esf 2,124일 09:57

Vote/Shout

Fakfak
Fakfak 2,124일 10:11

Plato: Ups.. I got caught again, you mad bro? *evil grind

Touche Awaay
Touche Awaay 2,124일 10:18

It is stupid that you need to censor your article when you talk about erep issues, and all of this because Alex S. incompetence where he wont admit that there is a bug. Way to go Alex S. \o

HusagaBiH
HusagaBiH 2,124일 10:23

ma admini hoce para

HusagaBiH
HusagaBiH 2,124일 10:24

Vote/Shout

Comrade Kim Jong Il
Comrade Kim Jong Il 2,124일 10:43

I voted!

jaywalker71
jaywalker71 2,124일 13:01

so they claim the disappearing tax money goes to the worker? did you check that or is this just another excuse by them?

Dio Makso
Dio Makso 2,124일 13:11

That's something for our testers from the video (Oblige, Kemal, Publius) to answer, I'll defer to them for the mechanical analysis. The content of this article was researched and released before that Admin reply, which might include a quickfix for all we know. I cannot say.

jaywalker71
jaywalker71 2,124일 13:17

i'm sure this is not the last of this subject anyway

Faris Khawaja
Faris Khawaja 2,124일 14:05

voted / shout

projectUnduli
projectUnduli 2,124일 17:04

I was about to mention a probable overflow or so, but seems its addressed.

daem0n
daem0n 2,124일 21:33

I would like if you guys publish the javascript error of erepublik site (thanks coders) thats causing lost money of watts wasted all day if a d*mn core at 90%, just by letting the game open in a chrome tab.

I have to close the page EACH time after use it just to avoid 9 watts of trash (measured by an APC BRI)

FPS1
FPS1 2,124일 22:40

Didn't they fixed it? eUS president reported this problem once, i dont see point of sutch articles now.

Touche Awaay
Touche Awaay 2,124일 00:13

? when cp reported it they did nothing for over a month, now they erase articles, this one is revised so it wont be deleted

FPS1
FPS1 2,124일 00:21

People should talk about this problems at meetings, admins dont even care about articles ingame, as i see for many years.

Touche Awaay
Touche Awaay 2,125일 01:15

so why after this articles he gave this update and not before??
http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/latest-updates/0/62

Dio Makso
Dio Makso 2,125일 03:45

^ Exactly. Yesterday things got fixed, we tested it again today to check, everything is working correctly now. Maybe Admins had a plan all along and randomly decided to fix it yesterday, or maybe they only fixed it as a result of these articles and public reaction yesterday. I cannot say. Either way, it's fixed now, works for me.

citizenccc
citizenccc 2,125일 13:13

sus ananı siqerim

Nick Nolte 2
Nick Nolte 2 2,131일 16:03

V + S

 
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