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Our congress representatives aren't tired hacks just going through the motions because they don't know what else to do. We are engaged, energetic and passionate about changing things for the better. - so in short your noobs yet to learn the art of being tired hacks just going through the motions because they don't know what else to do. but the us government sucks big time tbh

4 of 12 are fresh to congress. 25%

the other 8 average 10.5 times in Congress

and your primary was amended (were the tallies convenient before the amending?)

there's this guy again xD

You spend all month trolling us and you act like we did something wrong when that doesn't translate into votes.

You'll are the ones that reopened the primary to other parties'members without bothering to include in-game SFP candidates (because despite "You spend all month trolling us" the tallies were looking like I would make it back into congress. THANK YOU stef40 for you vote, And when did trolling become unacceptable to the SFP?

Trolling is fine but you are mistaken to believe that insulting everyone and ruining their articles will translate into votes.

Only those who express an interest in being in the Primary on the forum are voted on, anyone who signs up in game but isn't in the Primary are at the bottom of the list because the got zero votes.

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lol This made me laugh VOTE for change sounds like the same old to me.
The only thing that has changed in your party is when you hit T5 you stopped caring about lower taxes and did exactly what the other parties do and keep them high.

That's all it took? That one vote on taxes broke the alliance between SFP and BSP?

Doesn't seem like we were that close to begin with, if that's the case.

Why don't you try for lower taxes again then? See what's changed.

Or are you only interested in sulking and being a victim?

LMAO not sulking or being a victim it comes down to trust and once you became T5 you just took a whole new route losing mine.
I still like you guys just wish thing took another route.
Also we have tired lowering taxes many times since you made T5 we never got your support.

The SFP introduced the Amnesty Bill of 2016 hoping to heal the fractures in America.
Name one other party who introduced anything other than troll fests and 'Gay Bashing'.
That is what makes the SFP different if nothing else.

Tired of the same old Congress?
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2598754/1/20
Vote SFP for change!

I opened the vote to un-blacklist Pilotphil. One of these led to someone getting off the blacklist...it wasn't the Amnesty Bill...

The Amnesty Bill led to a Discussion which resulted in PilotPhil writing an article in which he acknowledged breaking 'meta congressional' laws, promised to work within the system for change and apologized to the People of America for causing a rift in the American Community.

That resulted in you opening the tread to unBlacklist Phil, for which I thank you.

BSP doesn't troll and we have always tried to do things the right way.
Honestly I had hoped we would have worked together more like we did before you were T5 but you just pushed us away min you got to T5.
If you guys hadn't flaked on us when you hit T5 we could have changed certain laws like dictatorship, blacklistings and lower taxes. I have only ever seen SFP do things for SFP of course you would want blacklisting gone a lot of your members are blacklisted. When you wanted to get to T5 you said you wanted lower taxes to gain members then when time came you said naa we want higher taxes. All I see is two faced actions.

I know that SFP tried to work with BSP on several things, what we got was a party who wanted the SFP to support the BSP unflinchingly. The SFP wants to repeal the Dictator Law, the BSP as well as every other party knows that; open a Discussion wait 24 hours, open a Proposal and get 10 Approvals and take it to a Vote -you will for sure have my vote.

As for taxes I will say the samething I have always said, a 10% to 12% tax rate should be sufficient, especially now that certain medals generate Tax Revenue. Again open a Discussion wait 24 hours, open a Proposal and get 10 Approvals and take it to a Vote -you will for sure have my vote.

I know we can't always agree on everything but anything we did agree on before you were T5 went right in the toilet once you hit T5 hard to trust people who say things just to get members and votes.

Will I mentioned two things that both the SFP and BSP support, lower taxes and no dictator. The Dictator Law is simple, you either want it or you don't; the SFP wants Freedom. Lower taxes are also simple, it is currently at 15%, the SFP supports a 10% to 12% tax rate; pretty sure everyone would vote yes to 12% -so again you either want to lower taxes or you don't.

Anything else can be discussed with the SFP in our 'People's Congress', come join us; ask questions and we'll answer.

Let's hear what you've got to say then. 🙂

http://eusaforums.com/forum/index.php/topic,39574.0.html

So, you're saying there was a hidden benefit to the blacklisting after all?

Yes, the hidden benefit is to the 'Congressional Majority' who controls the Blacklist; makes it pretty easy to control Congress when you can simply ex spell those who oppose you.

Your disingenuous remarks fall flat, Stone. Try again.

SFP has never asked to Blacklist anyone, we haven't Red Listed the Major and look at him. In fact we introduced an Amnesty Bill, which is quite the opposite. SFP also wishes to see Blacklisting outlawed as a form of Congressional Punishment.

I and I believe many SFP members wish to see some kind of Justice System where someone accused of breaking Congressional Law has recourse to defending themselves.

Your still ignoring the point. As usual.

So, instead of being obtuse just simply state your point?

You alluded to the Blacklist having a 'hidden benefit', I agree that it did indeed have a hidden benefit; it benefits the 'Congressional Majority'.

...and you point?

This isn't the list from that month. It's a trend.
I have only been in congress three times.

I used the January elections as a baseline. Black December doesn't feature at all.

Although I appreciate your attempt at humour. Even if it rolls right on by Mr Stone. 🙂

SFP hasn't been about change since before they hit the T5. After that all their PPs endorsed complacenecy and inaction, starting with Jaden. Has Wooky convinced you guys to finally return to your old ways? Or is this article state "Change" because you are unaware of what SFP was, and has become?

We tried action in December and 24 of our people got blacklisted, 24 people that of all parties the Black Sheep were the most vocally and vehemently against un-blacklisting through the amnesty bill. Indeed, in our discussion group it was Black Sheep members who struck down the idea of blanket amnesty or amnesty at all because of anger about a precedent that could be established and questions about fairness, as I recall.

SFP is still about change. We learned from our mistakes, though, and are not going to depend on other political parties to back us up this time. We need the votes to make change happen. With active, non-complacent change the forum elite will see us blacklisted to the man, and change will never happen.

Idk what you are talking about because in blacksheep private discussions we are ALL for unblacklisting. Haven't seen a single person against it. I think the people that blacklisted you guys are the biggest scumbags in this entire game. They're pathetic bullies and trolls with such sad lives they need to satisfy themselves by oppressing others in a browser game. SFP though, I love almost every member of that party. My 2nd favorite party in this entire game. If TBSP didn't exist, I'd definitely go to SFP.

SFP's failure to cooperate isn't new though and its not something I am going to pretend isn't there just because I like them. They began failing to cooperate the moment they got into the top 5. The moment they could have actually changed something through cooperation, they refused to cooperate, then pulled their own stunts, and boom, blacklists.

SFP will never change anything until it reverts to the way it used to be. Their idea that they can accomplish more by themselves than with others is what got them blacklisted, and what will keep them from really getting anywhere further than where they are now. That's the reality. If SFP learned from its mistakes, it would finally try to work together with those that have similar goals. But since it hasn't, then the mistakes will clearly be repeated.

Resoula makes some interesting points. There has definitely been a bit of the SFP trying out different approaches once it became a Top 5 party. Knowing how the SFP works, that doesn't surprise me at all. It has always had multiple points of view, perhaps even more so after becoming a Top 5. I do feel like the current Revolutionary Committee are all pulling in the same direction and coalesce around a fairly progressive agenda, for lack of a better word.

I wish I had that thread still. We got two people from each party together and discussed it. Unsurprisingly the USWP types disagreed but we got a lot of surprise flak from the two BSP people I won't name publicly!

At any rate I think you guys are cool too. I don't get the lack of cooperation but I won't change to dance to anyone else's tune.

I was one of them not something I am hiding if you read enough I was trying to make a point about the system.
If you look here we are some of the first people voting to get one of yours off the blacklist.
http://eusaforums.com/forum/index.php/topic,39570.0.html

You clearly hit on a hot topic. Nice work!

"for all the arguments about dictatorship, or blacklists. For all that, nothing ever changes. Why???!"

You mean except Congress creating a clear pathway towards unblacklist as well as several successful removals?

Also that's an interesting graphic but far from shocking given the state of the game. There aren't enough applications for congress in any party for 70% continuity to be surprising.

I agree with what you have said, however SFP introducing the Amnesty Bill -IMHO- is what sparked that creation of a clear path.

He's referring to the apologies, I think.

You mean the acceptance of breaking Congressional Law and the promise to work within the system for change and apologizing to America for creating a rift in the Community?

I am simply pointing out it was your Bill that brought that 'clear path' to unBlacklisting, which has given those who wished to expunge their record a clear path to doing so..

Yeah I honestly wasn't trying to take away from that. The Amnesty Bill being introduced definitely triggered a lot of this.

I just don't like inaccurate congress bashing for fun. Like of course a lot of discussions lead nowhere, but Congress actually is doing something, and it's ridiculous to pretend it's just this evil bogeyman just to score cheap points.

Congress actually doing stuff is a little bit of a stretch. What else might we have been doing without the amnesty bill? Joke proposals about blacklisting Pfeiffer?

Congress shouldn't be doing things for the sake of it. And if you look at Private Congress, I see a pretty effective response to the current FA situation. So I don't think it's a stretch at all.

If there aren't enough applications for congress in the Feds (I doubt it - yesterday you had more than 20, although half a dozen were clearly multis), what is your party doing to address that?

New players come to the game. They don't stay. Alexis Bronte has made that quite clear. Maybe they want to run for congress but experience any one or more of the following:

- a lack of support on how to run for congress and be successful at primaries.
- revulsion at the time of current public debates.
- exclusion by the "congress clique" who don't share information or explain the background to situations
- boredom at the largely absent representation of government in game.

I could go on, but you probably get the point. If there aren't enough nominations, work to get more! There are enough party members in all the top five parties.

If you think that the Feds have the lowest application turn out you are sorely mistaken. If you think we don't have a very strong retention department you are equally mistaken. "Maybe they want to run for congress but experience any one or more of the following" Lolno, don't try to talk about the Fed experience when you clearly don't understand the subculture at all.

And there are very few active members in the top 5 parties, that's just true, and it's probably least true of the Feds before you again try to deflect a broader point.

You're absolutely right. I have no idea what goes on inside Fed HQ, nor do I pretend to understand "the Fed experience".

This article highlights the outcomes of the current top five party's internal processes. Four of the five keep spitting out basically the same people. If that isn't a problem for you, then it's no skin off my back. I wish you all the best tomorrow!

If staleness and repetitiveness is a problem for you, I threw you a few hypotheses. Do with them as you wish. Without knowing what happens in Fed HQ I can't do any more.

It's quite interesting to see the divide between SFP and BSP now-a-days

I enjoy the state of SFP-BSP relations.

We have always had these spats between SFP and BSP.
It is the nature of our relationship.
Right now it is a little rough,but we usually end up resolving the rift.
Or at least till the next time.