Being honest
Day 3,144, 15:28
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by Nicolae Crefelean
eDay 3089
Company Productivity
The productivity of a Company will be computed as the sum of Country productivity bonus and a percentage of the productivity bonus of the Region where the Company is located. Regions will be affected by a pollution factor that is based on the number of “works” done in the Region in the previous day.
Basic formula : productivity_bonus = country_productivity_bonus + % of region_productivity_bonus - pollution
eDay 3140
Productivity bonus
The Productivity Bonus for an industry is calculated as such:
Productivity Bonus = Country Productivity Bonus + Region Productivity Bonus + Player Booster - Region Pollution Factor
Pollution Factor is calculated based on the number of goods of the same type that were produced in the region compared to the overall average production for that type of goods. The factor varies between 0 and 25%. The more goods are produced in the region, the higher the pollution will be. Each product type/quality pair will have its own pollution.
All raw Factories will share the same pollution for their respective industry (Example: Fishery, Grain, Farm and all other Food Raw Materials will share the same Pollution Factor).
eDay 3141
We apologize, but we're not gonna destroy the economy because "in your opinion we should". Pollution by industry and quality was a clarification (and an update) to the "works".
Having high quality factories polluted by Work as Manager in Q1 land/production companies is a far more detrimental scenario that, to be honest, we never took into consideration.
Plato, if you want to be completely honest, you should restart the Resource Wars with the new rules on the table. Being honest about not taking something into consideration is good, but it still makes a huge difference on how the new Resource Wars was planned and executed.
Even with all the details we have today it's hard to efficiently allocate the resources because each country administration would have to know the real numbers of active companies by industry and quality, which is not public information. But changing something as important as the pollution factor AFTER the event was finished, is not fair.
Let's look at the difference between the first statement and the second one. And please correct me if I'm wrong.
Statement 1: number of "works" done in the Region in the previous day
This means there would be one pollution factor for everything (all industries) in a region, only based on the number of "works" each day.
Statement 2: number of goods of the same type + raw Factories will share the same pollution for their respective industry
This means there will be 8 types of pollution in each of the weapons and food industries, and it will not depend on the number of works, but the number of produced goods.
The difference is significant. Sure, the pollution factor varies between 0-25%, so it doesn't COMPLETELY mess the production, whatever happens, but when you allocate resources based on the first statement you naturally want to split the resources so they don't raise the pollution. The first information did not mention pollution by industry, nor pollution by quality, nor the separation of the pollution generated by the Raw Materials.
So yes, Plato "saved the economy" by splitting the pollution, but it should be obvious to everyone that whatever they had in mind and whatever they overlooked, the resource allocations would've been done differently if the current information would've been known. Sure, placing as many bonuses as possible in as few regions as possible is like placing all your eggs in one basket. It's risky. But I bet there are powerful countries which would take that risk because it's worth it in the long run.
Airstrikes are not cheap, so even if some countries would get trolled by having their high-bonus regions, the others would have a break. So placing many bonuses behind bordering regions is the best strategy at the moment. Yes, by the new rules Romania is one of the countries which have an advantage (I don't know about others). I'm sure other countries would've changed their allocation strategies, which is why the "rules update" sucks.
So what's going to happen? We'll just move on like nothing happened? Why not restart the Resource Wars based on the current rules? It will still be fun, but it will also be honest this time.
Being honest: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2603936
Company Productivity
The productivity of a Company will be computed as the sum of Country productivity bonus and a percentage of the productivity bonus of the Region where the Company is located. Regions will be affected by a pollution factor that is based on the number of “works” done in the Region in the previous day.
Basic formula : productivity_bonus = country_productivity_bonus + % of region_productivity_bonus - pollution
eDay 3140
Productivity bonus
The Productivity Bonus for an industry is calculated as such:
Productivity Bonus = Country Productivity Bonus + Region Productivity Bonus + Player Booster - Region Pollution Factor
Pollution Factor is calculated based on the number of goods of the same type that were produced in the region compared to the overall average production for that type of goods. The factor varies between 0 and 25%. The more goods are produced in the region, the higher the pollution will be. Each product type/quality pair will have its own pollution.
All raw Factories will share the same pollution for their respective industry (Example: Fishery, Grain, Farm and all other Food Raw Materials will share the same Pollution Factor).
eDay 3141
We apologize, but we're not gonna destroy the economy because "in your opinion we should". Pollution by industry and quality was a clarification (and an update) to the "works".
Having high quality factories polluted by Work as Manager in Q1 land/production companies is a far more detrimental scenario that, to be honest, we never took into consideration.
Plato, if you want to be completely honest, you should restart the Resource Wars with the new rules on the table. Being honest about not taking something into consideration is good, but it still makes a huge difference on how the new Resource Wars was planned and executed.
Even with all the details we have today it's hard to efficiently allocate the resources because each country administration would have to know the real numbers of active companies by industry and quality, which is not public information. But changing something as important as the pollution factor AFTER the event was finished, is not fair.
Let's look at the difference between the first statement and the second one. And please correct me if I'm wrong.
Statement 1: number of "works" done in the Region in the previous day
This means there would be one pollution factor for everything (all industries) in a region, only based on the number of "works" each day.
Statement 2: number of goods of the same type + raw Factories will share the same pollution for their respective industry
This means there will be 8 types of pollution in each of the weapons and food industries, and it will not depend on the number of works, but the number of produced goods.
The difference is significant. Sure, the pollution factor varies between 0-25%, so it doesn't COMPLETELY mess the production, whatever happens, but when you allocate resources based on the first statement you naturally want to split the resources so they don't raise the pollution. The first information did not mention pollution by industry, nor pollution by quality, nor the separation of the pollution generated by the Raw Materials.
So yes, Plato "saved the economy" by splitting the pollution, but it should be obvious to everyone that whatever they had in mind and whatever they overlooked, the resource allocations would've been done differently if the current information would've been known. Sure, placing as many bonuses as possible in as few regions as possible is like placing all your eggs in one basket. It's risky. But I bet there are powerful countries which would take that risk because it's worth it in the long run.
Airstrikes are not cheap, so even if some countries would get trolled by having their high-bonus regions, the others would have a break. So placing many bonuses behind bordering regions is the best strategy at the moment. Yes, by the new rules Romania is one of the countries which have an advantage (I don't know about others). I'm sure other countries would've changed their allocation strategies, which is why the "rules update" sucks.
So what's going to happen? We'll just move on like nothing happened? Why not restart the Resource Wars based on the current rules? It will still be fun, but it will also be honest this time.
Being honest: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2603936
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de fapt, singura schimbare ar fi faptul că „works” a devenit din work ticket în produse finite într-un work.
faptul că poluarea e pe industrie cel puțin, era de înțeles și dinainte. prima formulă oferită vorbește de un anume „productivity_bonus”, care să fim sincer, oricine stătea să gândească 2 secunde deducea inevitabil faptul că acest productivity bonus e diferit de la o industrie la alta, fiind influențat de resursele alea pe care ne-am bătut și pe care le ai sau nu, nu?
în rest, luat așa logic, pe text, n-au „schimbat” (înțelegând deci radical) nimic. doar că n-au specificat tutele din prima faptul că poluarea nu e doar pe industrie, dar și pe calitate, și că work-ul e de fapt nr de produse (care de fapt, nu e cumva același lucru? pentru că toată lumea produce același nr de produse/work cu același bonus, nu?). într-un fel e bine totuși că se face diferența și pe calitate. e în favoarea jucătorilor consider eu.
Pe lângă asta, personal chiar nu cred că influențează cu ceva modul în care ar fi pus țările resursele. să fim serioși... eu, la ora asta 01:57 nu văd cum ar putea cineva modifica setarea resurselor „ca să fie bine să nu fie rău”, indiferent de regulă.
acum se poate să nu mai plângă nimeni ca o fetiță pentru nimic?
Când tocmai un admin spune că nu vrea să distrugă economia doar pentru că le-a scăpat un detaliu, nu mai e nevoie să demonstreze nimeni nimic.
Dacă a fost atât de logic de la bun început de ce a fost nevoie să adauge precizări?
că sunt idioți și au demonstrat de fiecare dată că nu sunt capabili să fie specifici în mod corect și că engleza „e grele”. dar dacă stai să o iei pe text în mod logic, n-au „schimbat” nimic... doar au făcut clarificări.
pentru că în prima formă vorbește de productivitatea unei companii, deci dintr-o anumită industrie, de bonus de productivitatea al regiunii pentru acea companie, deci pentru acea industrie, și de asemenea de un factor de poluarea pentru acea companie, deci pentru acea industrie.
nu contest că din cauza lipsei de detalii poți foarte ușor mergând rapid peste reguli să interpretezi altfel. am făcut-o și eu inițial...
dar cu sau fără detaliile astea, rezultatul final al eventului e același. nu ai cum să setezi altfel resursele să fie ok...
Formula poluării nu-i publică. Dacă tot au dat-o în bară și au omis niște detalii ce rost avea să stârnească reacții dacă știau sigur că nu-s diferențe între primul rezultat final și cel de după recalcularea poluării?
Noi nu putem calcula diferențele pentru că nu avem formula, să facem niște simulări. Însă în opinia mea există diferențe și au făcut „precizările” ca să fie acoperiți. De ce ești tu atât de sigur că nu s-a schimbat nimic... nu mi-e clar.
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Maybe if they want to make Q1 factories not able to pollute so much they should instead of separing the pollution of each industry make low Q factories pollute less.
That would be too much of a problem for their programmers.
As a programmer I feel diminished by your statement calinovb
Are you a programmer at eRep Labs ? Then you are really praf 😃
Otherwise, I didn't see any sample of your programming skill, so I can't say anything about it.
You see it every week when our sttistics along with BiA are being published... or did you forget I made that program
Well, then, you're better than those at eRep Labs😃
And I think I was proven right by the way they are implementing all the changes...
Economia a devenit un tărâm exclusivist, doar pentru împătimiți .
Pentru mine jocul de-a economia nu mai are niciun farmec dacă trebuie să rezolvi permanent sisteme de ecuații cu "n" necunoscute...
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the resource wars was a nightmare, having a repeat of that would be awful.
I'm sure is was the hardest for the coordinators of each country to take care of everything throughout the event. My respects to all those people who did that. It's a shame they didn't know the rules would change.
It's pretty obvious many people were not happy with the changes. What else could be done to make it fair? Allow everyone to move their resources?
nu mi se pare o schimbare esentiala. works sau products is the same shit.
schimbarea mi se pare ca a venit prin diferentierea poluarii n functie de industrie si calitatea produselor
Un "work" în două fabrici de calitate diferită poate produce 35 sau 250 de unități. Nici așa nu se vede diferența între work și products?
Iar modificarea poluării e altă schimbare. Eu înțeleg că nouă ne-a picat bine modificarea, dar să avem pretenția că e corectă față de întreaga comunitate e cu totul altceva.
O da, sa facem resource wars din nou .... si sa fereasca sfintu' sa prindem dracu resurse din alea ulta mega hyper rare ca o sa crape fierea in Azure strigind hotii, hotii!
Mă și întreb câți s-ar întrista și câți s-ar amuza.
sa-i auzi pe toti dup-aia cum o sa zica "hai ma, noi doar glumeam sa reluam RS-ul... puneti la loc cum era prima data." 🙂
Nu trebuie restartat razboiul, era de ajuns sa dea voie la mutat resurse non-rare intre regiuni. In cazul Ungariei de ex asta insemna ca Budapesta ar fi avut 3 resurse de arme si una de mancare, fiind o tinta rezonabila pentru un holding atat pentru arme, cat si pentru mancare. Acum chiar daca vreau sa le fac acasa pe ambele, trebuie sa fac 2 holdinguri. Adica +25 gold la fiecare holding pe care o sa il creez.
Eu unul stau si astept, dar sunt foarte aproape de ma lasa de joc. Nu fiindca Romania a avut insider info, asta e asa mereu, ci fiindca e furt pe fata partea asta cu holdings.
Da, mai e și aspectul ăsta - costul de creare al holdingurilor. Chiar dacă-i un cost unic (până la următorul război de resurse, HA!), sunt niște resurse pe care unii cu greu le adună, și apoi mai trebuie să se și mute zilnic pentru lucrul ca manager.
Nașpa. Ce mă deranjează pe mine e că iar au dat-o în bară și o lasă așa.
sunt curios ce doare când ești „deștept”... cât o să mai continuați cu aberația aia cu insider info?
Daca esti la primul account, pana in momentul in care te-ai apucat tu de joc, m-am intalnit personal cu peste 150 de jucatori romani si cu vreo 10 admini. Cu tot cu jucatori internationali trec lejer de 300, 400.
Stiu multe ce s-au intamplat in trecut in background, daca ne punem la o bere cel putin 2 ore pot sa vorbesc despre exemple concrete. Si desigur le stiu doar pe alea mainstream.
Am avut si eu situatii in care stiam despre schimbari inainte, si nu am aflat din prima mana.
Asa ca lasa discutiile in sensul asta, stiu eu ce stiu 😉
Dar cum am zis, ce ma deranjeaza ca au schimbat ulterior regulile astfel incate e mai rau pentru mine, Ca pentru voi e mai putin rau nu ma intereseaza, si nu ma incalzeste cu nimic nici daca ati avut informatii, nici daca e din bulan ce ati facut. Nu ma incalzea cu nimic nici daca voua va erau mai rau.
Holdingurile sunt o prosie si trebuie eliminate, punct.
Genial, am produs 18,2 arme dar în depozit nu-i nici una începută. Puteau să-și bage zecimalele în cur decât să le afișeze degeaba.
ha ha inseamna ca te-ai dus in moldova ca toata lumea ... nu-i nevoie sa-si bage zecimalele in cur ca o sa bagi mina dupa aia 0.2 cind miine o sa produci doar 16.372 arme datorita poluarii 😉
Păi dacă ăia 0,2 nu se reflectă în depozit, unde-s de fapt?
glumesti nu? la fel nici 0.73g nu se vad in trezeorerie cind ai sa zicem 145.73g, dar asta nu inseamna ca nu sint pe cont si ca daca cumperi 0.27g nu o sa ai 146g ....
Nu am glumit. Faptul că eRep afișează aiurea zecimalele aurului pe diverse pagini (pe unele da, pe altele nu) nu înseamnă că-i în regulă. Iar în cazul de față puteau face ce trebuie, că nu afectau cod vechi și nu riscau să strice nimic. Pur și simplu îi doare-n Plato.