Join the new world

Just like stupid Israel did 🙁

Not set DO's. I suppose that must be writers freedom as it will never hold. Soldiers have the right to fight for their country so DO's will be set should a RW start. Which is something different ofc as soldiers fighting hard to win a battle, but they have the right to fight for DO, TP and BH in eNL battles. How else can they train in the field while remaining optimum XS.

This is a direct Quote from the agreement "The government of eNetherlands does not start a resistance war (RW) in any of the abovementioned regions. If an RW happens to start in any of these regions, the government of eNetherlands does not place any Combat Order (CO), Daily Order (DO), or Campaign of the Day commands on the resistance side of these battles, and orders its citizens not to fight for resistance in these regions. "

But i have to gree with you weekstrom..... for what we get out of the deal these are rediculous terms....

gree....= agree ...sorry for the typo...

x/s isn't influenced by DO, TP or BH. You prioritize the benefit of some over the benefit of our nation.

Well, clearly you haven't looked well into X/S, combined efforts, or did you take into account the desire of the soldiers. Stating there can't be set DO is ridiculous. IF a Dutch war is present soldiers will fight. No matter if there is a DO or not so helping them, and therefore our nation in the long run, with combining that is always wise.
Please learn to differentiate between DO and real efforts to win.

I can differentiate, but Hungary can't. You make predictions based on your supposed knowledge of the will of the people. I don't share those views.

Well, you're no part off DAF and haven't been eDutch soldier for ages (apart from a recent short period within the new I&W MU that was started AFTER the clear political wish of making a strong national MU) so when it comes to the need/wish the soldiers I estimate within DAF we have a more clear view than you wouldn't you say?

No you don't. I got democratically elected to run the entire country, and DAF is part of it. Don't try to start ad hominem side arguments to evade my arguments.

Sorry, but I haven't seen arguments yet that oppose soldiers right to fight for their country. Most of them want that and it won't hurt Hungary as we are only an ant against a bear. The fact you hardly fight for eNL doesn't change that.

"Soldiers have the right to fight for their country so DO's will be set should a RW start. "

So National MU CO is *AGAIN* not willing to listen to government or respect a treaty sign by eNL government.

My duty is to the my soldiers primarily. And as they will fight for our nation, DO set or not, we might as well set DO to make them, and therefore eNL, stronger in the long run. Setting DO will not affect the outcome of a battle as you very clearly know but apparently doesn't fit the agenda you seem to serve. Whatever that may be.

who can blame him with rediculous terms like these......its like the DSB morgage deals from a few years ago.... "wurg contracten"......

Your duty is whatever the democratically elected cabinet tells you Weekstrom. If you can't follow their orders you shouldn't be commander of DAF.

I was clearly right in my forum post to remove you, it is a state MU so as CO you listen to the state (AKA eNL government). You think you're above the government and do not have to listen to them once again, a very disturbing trent

You (both) seem to have to learn the difference between (political) directions and building a strong military. Politics (try to) give us a direction in which we head. For instance to get in an alliance. Our beloved CP stated on several occasions he would get us in one soon should he do the talking so, although I haven’t heard anything from it yet, I expect us to hear about it soon. Let’s hope for that as politics change every month (or even 3 times a month) and hasn’t given us stability nor an alliance, nor friends over the last year or so. Once that’s clear there might even be a new priority list instated which MU’s recognize and can follow as direction. A direction politics can set indeed. And if politicians want to be taken seriously they also consult MU commanders instead of (trying) to force authority by only giving orders. I know that ain’t you style Garmr. Your old avatar was fitting. After all you’re one of the main reasons the commander chat in which commanders were taken along the directions politics was heading was abandoned. So all commanders are left in the dark nowadays on political plans/direction.

Apart from that we have the military and everyday reality of our soldiers. As long as there is no alliance we belong to AND a clear bond with it the soldiers feel we sadly face the situation we hardly have soldiers that fight for other nations, let alone fight hard. They work, train and do the DO and some try to get a BH every now and then to create extra income. Most however will fight only if we have a Dutch battle.

You can stay in your ivory tower and think you can change that but you can’t. Therefore the clear line in DAF is, for a very long time already, we support the soldiers in what they will do anyway. No matter the orders given. Not in what politics want as for that you need to make clear to the nation what the reasons are and how we will benefit.

That’s something several gov’s already are failing in. First we need to unite our nation by pointing the majority into the same direction. Once done we need to be part of an alliance and once that’s established you can start thinking about asking players to (also) fight other battles than the Dutch ones.

If you monitored the fighting of our soldiers over the last two years you would have clearly noticed the development from a nation that can’t do shit towards one that is growing in strength and potential from the bottom up due to letting them play smart. Our D1 is already difficult to beat, especially given the size, and D2 is starting to develop in the same way now. D3 and 4 hardly matter with a few exceptions. That also indicates setting DO in an RW of ourselves will only cause D1 and sometimes D2, to score a point. D3 and 4 won’t so it will have no influence on the outcome of a battle. Especially not combined with the orders given in the DAF feed which either one of you knows. After all there is a very clear difference between setting DO along with the message to fight for freedom or a DO along with a message telling soldiers to do DO, score for TP and occasional BH but don’t try to win the campaign.

Also we have a very small player base able to do a lot of fighting. For them DO’s don’t really matter. After all that’s only 25 kills. Orders apart from that could matter. That is IF we have something to fight for. Perhaps that can be created, but again we need something that’s clear to fight for which we lack for a rather lengthy period of time already. So players able to hit a lot will do the DO and once done look at CO battles.

Just admit, by staying in your ivory tower, you made a mistake by signing a treaty that’s not wise. Had you consulted MU commanders or other players involved in our recent military you would have known…

Stop putting words in my mouth that I very clearly did not say. Get your asperger fixed and maybe you can upgrade your reading comprehension.

[removed]

A way to often is the case to my liking an idiotic statement without starting a normal discussion.
Besides that you could easily insult or hurt people using the wording you choose like you did above. Ever worked with a person that has severe Asperger for instance? And a lot of people would give all they have if it could be fixed. Please man try to react in a normal manner or shut up.

v

o/

0/

o/

Hard to be a little country on this game. Good luck

Especially when you have no pride or honor. That also helps a lot. 😃

Honor is meaningless in statecraft. Survival and pragmatism trumps all.

😁

eNetherlands try falling even lower, maybe they will not notice you so much. I mean if it's possible to fall lower.

I wanted to ask your mom if she could teach us but she was so low she didnt hear my voice. Why do you even bother interfering here, go do whatever else you do in this game.

What else to expect?? No pride, no honor and no manners.. 😃 Don't get yourself worked up like that, you'll get your region soon enough. Maybe 🙂 Today in this game I troll A**teria and affiliates.. 😃 At least bend over and take that as a proud eNation you are.. 😃
Looking forward to enjoying economic bonuses from your regions in Poland bro. 😃

Don't confuse politics and their representatives with a nation please...

You had elections bro, sorry.

Still doesn't mean politicians represent the will or actions of the nation 😉

Nice caricature! Be careful...someone could kill you 😛

i'm not trying to offend others , just taking the pi** out of the so called treaty that was agreed.. , so i'm not scared that i'll be killed by some extremist 😛

lol

Gestem

Kind of funny it's only three people opposing it, yet make it look half the country is against. Kind of sad how you's quite refrain from showing yourself in the forum topic to discuss it though.

i don't feel the urge to show myself on the forum or irc........ see no need to change it and that doesn't make me a lesser player...... i'm fine with discussing things here.
Also now you give the appearance that 90% of NL's players are on that precious forum.
I tend to differ that and state that only 10% (old players) inhabit that forum.

I give no appearance at all, you keep giving ad hominem arguments. I gave a place to have an in-depth discussion, and you didn't take it. That's all I said and that's the truth as well.

it's your truth, not mine 😉

And you do give that appearance m8 , and know that the fact is that only a small fraction of NL's community comes to the forum.
So that makes it a decission made by a few and not the majority of nl's community.

But that aside , i expected a lot better deal as you where giving a lot of people the idea that you would have NL's problems fixed by a flick of your finger......coz you had the right connections..... in my pov that turned out just a little bit different.

LOL
love it..

half of us.. are against playing dead 😛

In China nowadays Sky? Nice article btw. 🙂

no still in NL , dunno how my paper ended up in china , maybe the board of directors thought it would be more profitable (tax wise) to have headquaters there 😉

Thanks i just couldn't resist 🙂

Great article. Hope it drums up some support to stand up.

Just come here to read the comments 😃

btw, nice cartoon dude 😉

Thks for the endorsement & hope you enjoyed reading it 🙂

indeed mate 😉