They're back
Liam Tatlock
In recent days we have seen a gradual return to Ireland of the members of a certain party/group. A large number of these had left Ireland after we were wiped by the UK to take up citizenship in the UK, leaving a small number of the more "trusted" members to help facilitate their return at some point.
This return is now almost complete and, in doing so, they have dealt probably a fatal blow to the Immigration Committee, a multi-party group set up to facilitate immigration applications and ease the pressure on Dail members, who may have little, or no, knowledge of applicants, as well as attempting to keep threats, or less useful players, out of the country. We have seen several citizens passed before ImmComm recommendations were given with the likes of Chewchewshoe, who recently plundered the UK treasury, and Orangejuicemmm, renowned for his trolling, allowed back.
This group, currently called The Labour Party, have shown their disdain for a group that was set up to help and, in doing so, have dealt a crippling blow to that group. With this in mind, I have resigned from the Immigration Committee, of which I have been a member since it's re-introduction under Ian Coleman last year. I have also removed the ILP from it's jurisdiction, so we will responsibly accept those applicants we believe will be of benefit to our country.
It may be a coincidence that they have returned now that Ireland is both more prominent and has a healthy treasury, but some, including people outside the ILP, have concerns about this and fear their return and increased activity will see them make an attempt on government positions, which in turn opens up access to financial gain.
Ireland has, I believe, had success under them many years ago, before I joined the game, but has also suffered robberies from them, trolling and abuse in articles and mails (including an attack on the victims of the Vukovar massacre in which, I believe, the word "pigs" was involved.). It is also a matter of record that the ILP was subject to PTO from them when one of their multis was allowed a position of influence in the leadership as our long-held decision to give young players a chance was abused.
Their current history arose from membership of CrOmega, which then went on to form a political party, which in turn became the Labour Party. They have now embarked on their usual pattern of bribery, offering multi Q7s to attract young and naive players on the back of an article about the Easter Rising. Indeed, we frequently see them issuing articles ostensibly promoting and praising Irish history, while buying votes to improve the chance of younger players seeing them in the hopes they can convince new players they are strongly pro-Ireland, despite the majority of them moving abroad after the last wipe.
We believe in an equal Ireland and have striven to maintain that aim through thick and thin. Sadly, the former ICA people in The Labour Party believe in primus inter pares politics, where all are equal, but some more equal than others! We would be happy to see a move by them away from their old ways but, until that happens, Treasury beware.
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" but has also suffered robberies from them, trolling and abuse in articles and mails (including an attack on the victims of the Vukovar massacre in which, I believe, the word "pigs" was involved.)"
And Clerics are the only one who actually fought them and acutally kicked them out of ireland.
And it was a Cleric who saved ILP from orc PTO.
And what current ILP Leadership did during all of this?
Nothing...
When founder of ILP was abused they were silent.
When AD31 got threats on mail he used to register to this game , and AD31 was not only ILP but once even a PP of ILP....this leadership did nothing.
What ILP did do?
They officially sided with this very orcs against Clerics and their fight for integrity and honour of ireland.
So even i agree with this article it's also written by a hypocrite and supported by hypocrite ILP leadership.
It's an amusing day when Viktor makes more sense than the ILP.
It will be more amusing on PP elections.
Clearly ILP need more Jesus....
Okay here we go,
1) Immigration protocol was ignored. However everyone that was brought in under the breached rules was a past CP of Ireland. I recall when Moomoohead was brought in without the proper procedure the reason given was "Moo is a long standing member of the Irish Community". Everyone agreed and this was allowed slide. Lets not be politically selective.
2) You are saying our objective is to rob Ireland. I find this an unfair statement and completely absurd. You have no grounds to accuse us on this. It is just political lies that you are using to tar our name,
3) About Vukovar, yes unfortunately there was some vulgar remarks made but the this was when relations where strained between our group and Croatian members of our society. We have since made up and settled our differences and have worked as one group for Ireland. The member of our party who made these remarks had also publicly apologised our his remarks. If the victims have moved on why can't you? Again your trying to tar our name.
4) You complain about our abuse yet you allowed Mike Bane message players within our party messages of sexual abuse. Both parties engaged in abuse yet you only highlight ours. It takes two to tango.
5) We did not use a multi to PTO your party. Have you any proof? No. This happened at a time when your party allowed ours to be PTO'd two months in a row despite comfortably having a PP elected with a large margin. Your PP felt sympathetic to the unfair treatment we were victim to and took action. Do not blame us.
6) We don't provide new players multi Q7's? We operate an efficient commune as we have for many years. Stop making up bulls**t to try make us look bad. Again you are going through desperate attempts to damage our image.
7) We buy votes to increase the amount of people viewing our articles. We are entitled to advertise our party in whatever way we see fit. Everyone has the choice to join us or not, it's their decision. Again you make us out to be brainwashing new players.
😎 Regarding 1916, I am a supported of the Irish Republican movement and a fan of history. When media activity is low am I not allowed publish an article. Has everything I write to be approved by someone to make sure its not some sort of evil tool?
9) You say you want to see us change from our old ways? Well we have, we came and are playing nice yet you come out with articles like this clearly attacking and lying about our party. We do not plan on a political war yet here you are firing "shots" at us.
You are playing partisan politics trying to keep us away.
As we have said before, battle with us through leftist ideals, through communes and citizen welfare. Don't fight with sloppy tabloid abuse.
7. not a problem with vote buying though i havent in quite a while.
8. there was 2 ira's and there was a split i wouldnt write about their history its considered flaming by the moderators.
9. this is well known facts none of oj or chew chew was approved even nogin jumped the fence even though she would have made it in normally. I have always believed that a party should be able to use the citizen passed to promote and grow his own party unfortunatley the orcs brought in measures when they went and returned to brittian about monthly and used it to their own advantage only when suddenly thier members got refused they just ignored and sidestepped the protocol.
in a way orcs are responsible for all thefts even if its not their members they usually invite these players in and sway their way of thinking ie corrupt them. an slaugh your living in a snakehouse so stop selling bullshit we have been here longer thann you and know what they did.
Krakken more then 2 groups have claimed the title IRA.
at that time there was 1 ira who split in 2 look it up r.a . he is talking about the 1916 revolution as far as i can recall there was 1 that split into 2 the other groups came later.
Well at the time of the 1916 easter rising there was no use of the term IRA bar the incursions into canada. It was the ICA and Irish volunteers that took part in it. The IRA would be formed out of these groups after the events. Though aye i must allow you the point that it will be simplified as IRA. Also the split in the IRA into 2 seperate groupings has happend at least 3 times in the 20th century al laying claim to the title. The first time between free state forces and the irregulars(legitmate), then in the 60's from the irreguars/IRA between Provisional IRA and the Offical IRA, then a split in 86 between the provisionals and the contiunity, then 94 the split from the provisionals again leading to the Real IRA. Then recent times the split in the contiunity group to two seperate factions. So yeah a basic summary and your wrong.
So sorry lad I always like to be a bastid at correcting on this stuff. I allow the simiplified IRA for 1916 given the use of the term army of the Irish Republic but it was two seperate organisations working together. The IRB's Irish Volunteers and the socialist milita the Irish Citizens Army. Take the guess where I got the name for the ICA in this game from then when i founded it lol.
1 which would have been taken into consideration by the immcomm
2 why the sudden return of so many something is up
3. who are you to say the victims have moved on so a person losing family members must move on when padriag pearse calls his death family members pigs - sorry he made his bed and sleep in it forever with the rest of you what does chewie call others plastic paddies.
4.?wtf are you talking about
5. well known fact player was cydp since then his account went inactive
6. its a well know fact that ibhoy offered each member of ica 100 gold last time around * 70 you don the math boyo.
Good attempt to discredit our image Liam.
The Immigration was ignored, yes. Nogin, Padraig and Orangejuicemmm were all previous CP and especially Moomoohead as An Slaugh pointed out.
" They have now embarked on their usual pattern of bribery, offering multi Q7s to attract young and naive players on the back of an article about the Easter Rising"
Thats a really embarrassing statement to make as you have no evidence or facts so I assume you are being bias. The Easter Rising was an example of solidarity and republicanism which is the image of The Labour Party.
"I recall when Moomoohead was brought in without the proper procedure the reason given was "Moo is a long standing member of the Irish Community". Everyone agreed and this was allowed slide. Lets not be politically selective." - An Slaugh
Not everyone agreed.
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2325272/1/20
No exception was made and the unapproved pass was treated the same way any other one was.
Anyone reading this who isn't familiar with the various depth's of eIrish history, you should know:
A) Many ILP and New Labour members will be biased by a long and rough history of feuding between them.
😎 I refuse to call speculation a conclusion, but I do know for sure that OJ once scammed an allied nation... because of this I would never have given him a citizenship pass.
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Never scammed an allied nation. Prove this or delete this comment. I have taken money from idiots who thought I could help them circumvent eRepublik markets and Irish government taxes.
The MoD of one of our allies. Anyone willing to take my word for it is welcome to. Anyone who requires evidence is in good company as well.
It happened during my Cp term and we had to do damage control on it.
I wont delete the comment though... give me a break.
Loving all of your facts Ian. Not only did I prove you wrong but you have now changed your story.
I place my trust in anyone reading this to decide whether my story has changed, or for that matter whether you've proved anything contrary to what I've said. That said, you can't prove a negative, so you have established that agnosticism would be the most honest response to my claim. But presumably you already know whether you scammed one of our allies or not... which makes the point moot.
For your own sake I might clarify that scamming the MoD of an ally means the same thing as scamming an ally, when that MoD is working in his government capacity. I can't imagine how you could scam a country without the transaction going through some kind of human official....
its a well known fact that you scammed the mod of colombia or argentina he even commented in one of our articles.
everyone what ian says is the truth oj is a lie'ing excuse of an irishman.
i wo0uld say lie'ing sack of.... but ok you get the point think anyway he is not really irish only when it suits him.
Releasethe Krakken- " its a well known fact that you scammed the mod of colombia or argentina he even commented in one of our articles."
Which one was it and where is the article? If it is a well known fact why don't you know which one it was?
Most comments in that article agree that Moo was rightfully granted CS. Only you and Bhane disagreeing.
You say - "The public are the ultimate judge". I think the majority of the public are happy with these citizens receiving citizenship.
Regarding OJ, he scammed citizens of other nations before but since then he had served as Commander of the Irish Army and worked in the Finance Dept. If we trusted him then, why not now?
The Immigration system works on transparency, so right vs. wrong isn't a judgement left to the government. Though I have my doubts whether any comment section can be relied on as a representation of consensus anyway.
But the real thing that I was highlighting was the idea that it was allowed to slide... that suggests that the government gave it special treatment - which it didn't. What people thought after being given transparency in government is the purpose of the policy, but not the object of it.
And if you read the comments, it seems that people were arguing that Moo's pass should have been pardoned from that objective transparency - and in that regard it certainly does stand that the government never made any such concession.
But again, all of that seems to come from a fundamental misunderstanding of what the ImmComm is there for, because we're talking about a community who are so used to being treated like criminals, that they can't conceive of being put in any kind of objective spotlight anyway.
Moomoohead's illegal entry didn't cause the collapse of the immigration committee.
Neither has any subsequent entry as of yet. Though that may turn out to be the case.
I've heard that a major party pulled out of immigration controls entirely as a result of this, which this article now confirms.
1, I and many others from our group moved to the UK as it was the only place where we could get citizenship and also have a decent resource bonus. We may have had UK citz but it was in order to produce weapons that we could give to eIrish players. Not once did I vote in the UK nor did I interact with anyone.
2, Personally I don't believe in an ImmComm it is simply a tool people use to have power over another citizen. It is impossible for anyone to enforce the rules and it can and will always be undermined. It has also shown to be inefficient and ineffectual. Would be typical of a bureaucrat like Ian to "re-establish" the ImmComm to control who comes in and out of the country.
3, You think while we were away we were keeping tabs on eIreland? I opened eRep about once a month to see if they had improved the economics of the game but not once was I aware of how things were going financially for Ireland. I actually thought there was a system to prevent large scale theft now? There was for a long time before I left anyway.
4, All your points about bribery are laughable and are dealt with in the earlier comments by my Party members.
5, I've done more for eIreland than you ever will and so have the majority of the people you slander in this article.
Denied. try again.
Fuck off. Try again.
Back to Norway with ye.
I have a question for those who oppose an Immigration Committee.
Should we disband it and just allow Dail members to openly sell their citizenship passes? When I left here to go to the eUSA it cost gold to get in. Do you advocate that for eIreland?
As if the ImmComm prevents that? I know several people who have bought their pass. Myself personally didn't need to pay a dime and I got in.
Bought their pass from the ImmComm? Or from a Dail member?
No we don't. But we do believe previous CPs and real life Irish citizens should be allowed in as well as longstanding members of the Irish community.
The immigration committee is set up to prevent threats to our national security. None of these guys are threats.
What if Victor Petrescu wanted a pass? He's been Cp, and yet this is a guy who really screwed over eIreland and invited a Romanian pto of our young eIreland.
I accept that having been a Cp or well known citizen, we would hope that the ImmComm would be able to vote and approve citizens very quickly - which in my experience is the case.
But special pleading undermines the culture of security and accountability that the ImmComm most certainly accomplished. I think there are real issues to be discussed around the ImmComm, but this is not one of them.
A short wait for citizenship is practically immaterial.
Victor would not no as he invited foreign forces to Ireland in a bid to destroy Ireland. As did Mike Bane yet we forget about that don't we
So then we can agree that a blanket rule that former Cps get in could be problematic.
Was it the case that the ImmComm was denying acceptances to former Cps? (not rhetorical, I actually don't know) All I'm submitting is that even just for the sake of clarity and being consistent, there isn't any cost to waiting 99.99% of the time. And for the other fraction of a percent, it's only going to get published in an article...
But in this case, look how much drama is caused. Now you can say "ya, you're right, so why don't we just get rid of the ImmComm and avoid the drama" - but like I said there's no cost to waiting for the ImmComm, and there is an advantage to the committee, especially for those young TDs, and to avoid situation like in other countries where it's a mess of bribery etc.
The best way to go about this would just have been to publish an article or something if there was a feeling that the ImmComm wasn't doing it's job. Even if you don't think the ImmComm is good for anything, if you want to come join the community again it would be nice to at least show some respect... it wouldn't have cost anything.
Who said anything about a blanket rule? Petrescu was elected by PTO, for any purpose, he was never President, he was an illegal usurper.
a thief an alsugh come on he stole money as british cp and from ireland as well and you let him in you my sir are a blossoming orc noob. when they are through with you you will be nothing but a useless fart.
It's one of those slippery slope things, IMO. Once you start carving out exceptions and Dail members feel free to just hand out cs passes to anyone, then the IC becomes useless. That can directly lead to eIreland being less secure.
I think our Immigration Committee has done an excellent job, and they should be supported. The PP's of transgressing Dail members should assist in sanctions against those who bypass the committee, with no exceptions.
As CrOmega Commander, I gave the chance to most of those players who returned to actually return, I really believe everyone deserves a second chance and I know that most of the lads you called "thiefs" and "trollers" can and hopefully will be the constructive opposition and/or great leaders of eIreland.
ICA, at least majority of ICA will always be remembered as the group who made eIreland glorious for the first time (since I'm playing). Now, I know that some individuals has been acting childish, that they've been trolling, individuals also robbed eIreland. It wasn't made by the group, I promise you that, I'd know if those decisions were made by the whole group.
With all this trolling and generalising one group which posses almost 50% of active eIrish community you're starting the new civil war, something we (because I still consider myself as eIrish) really really don't need, we don't need those wars, you have to stick together and do things together for eIreland. Show a bit of trust, keep AppleMan as Minister of Finances and keep the same rules. MoI has been pretty much useless body of the Government without real power. Make things which actually matters important, such as MoD and MoFA, make strong propaganda, be united, support eachother...
We've secured you stability, alliance, brought your reputation back. Now do something with it. Don't ruin those things because of the inability to help and support eachother for the old grudges, apologise to eachother and work together for the future. That's the only way you'll ever get rid of me, otherwise I'll have to come back to slap ya all green bast*rds.
From love,
Don Croata (MUFC)
Also, shitty won title, what a joke of league.
coming from a known traitor of ireland and deserter this is bit of a laugh you poor excuse for a cp
Anybody, and I mean ANYBODY, who welcomes the likes of Orangejuicemmm, Padraig or Chewchewshoe back to eIreland do NOT have the best interests of this eNation at heart
Padraig is a troll, he's sometimes funny, he wouldn't harm Ireland, we both know that.
OJ used to be capable guy who's good in running things when he's playing actively, hopefully he'll get back to old habits rather than troll most of the time. When he's not trolling, he's actually really good lad.
Chewie is wrong most of the time, but he has some brains too. Robbing UK is another positive thing about him.
your just very old and share interest in your own nations tragedies usually the term is douchebag but i wont call you a douchebag today. lets just say your a poor excuse of a true croatian.
*very young pre vukovar i guess so younger than 9 + 14 = 23 my guess your 20 or so but still don croata its not for you to cheapen the lifes of those victims by your youthful ignorance
PP had probably the 3 best CP terms anybody in all of eIrelands history has ever had. Not wanting that makes you the idiot.
To be fair he was just a figurehead and the rest of the ICA were the ones behind it 😛
Nah Irasian the chap was up til all hours on the irc chatting to EDEN
I hate Orange Juice. Overrated drink for snobs