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Great article comrade!

What I find surprising is that you only just cottoned on, Boru.

Its easy to focus on post-Cydp, but I thought the objectives (whether they are right or wrong is not my subject) of the previous ILP leadership were clear as day when they refused The Patriots's integration into ILP, with parallels being drawn between mass movement and PTOing - I made a comment that mass movement and PTO are entirely different situations; the later involving gaining a PP in both your associated party and a foreign party to obtain the max % of priority positions. Essentially, with the The Patriot's perceived intention of integration, the ILP leadership had then faced an internal political conflict and where, in fact, they were defending their political dominance in the party - at the time, I thought they could just be honest and say that they believed their group was best for the ILP, instead of inferring it was 'PTO' from 'The Patriot' group - but that discussion got lost under the waves with Cydp's defection, which while not a PTO (in the usual sense), certainly proved that integration was not on the cards (but ILP's leadership wouldn't have been able to foresee that).

The event (and this article) highlighted that the situation is simply a political conflict between two groups whom do not want to work/be associated with eachother --- as it always is --- Left/right principles have hardly anything to do with it, and you don't seem the type to be naive enough to think it does.

Its just an election filled with point scoring propaganda.
P.s. bit unfair on MUFC, we took on some hard finance troubles irrespective of the loans but - if we're going to talk of character flaws as criteria for a good presidency, Padraig will never be CP again ;__;

also
better dead than red

Never say never

Seanan, there are matters of policy to be considered within this conflict.

Do we want a President who multis and disrupts national politics for personal reasons? Throws the toys out of the pram when trolled, damaging the country's interests?

If the ILP wanted to maintain their principles, they should have supported Moomoohead.

My point is that you may consider policy and principles as much as you like, but its not the driving factor of the conflict. The main problem is social factors, and that problem is not exclusive to a single camp nor is being addressed.

That's partially the point, the ILPheads have always claimed the place of respectability and upright morality, looking down on we more dirty political fighters.

Now they've jumped into bed with practically the dirtiest alongside the kunts, and complain when I call them out on it.

So you wrote an article pointing out the obvious 😛 The article expresses the dismay of the Left wing factions fighting each other, but actually holds no worth to addressing the core issues - really whats the point? If you'd opened with "look at this hypocrisy, isn't it awful?.. Why is it happening? Oh because of so-and-so had a fallout with so-and-so, what should we do to overcome this bollox?" even a bias take on it would had more balls and made more progress than most of the recent articles on this subject.

I know you know that the core issues have nothing to do with Left/Right wing principles, as does everyone else in this drama, so the continuation of this farce just serves into the point scoring propaganda campaign which you're either idly or purposely taking part in.

Gone on too long, Boru, do some hard truths and sort it out.

That paragraph sounds srs, but it had : P faces in it ;__;

They won't listen to me Seanan, they hate each other too much.

The core of the matter isn't left right politics, the consequence however will be the destruction of the left. A conscious decision on the part of the ILP was made to support MUFC over moomoohead, where the former is a blatant enemy of the cause where the latter is neutral.

Not only do I take that as a poor excuse for not trying, and unbecoming of you, - not sure under that opinion why you think your target audience of this article will listen either.

Given that MUF has a larger voter base than Moo, if you ignore spite for a moment - the motive of the ILP leadership could be wanting to avoid splitting the vote which would give Conway a clear win. And now that we have established that left/right principles ain't playing a role here, thats a strong possibility. The problem is that the ILP leadership are not being very open about it, but from some comments they seem to dispute your labelling saying that having Conway as CP is more detrimental to the 'left cause' than having MUF as CP.

I could dispute your labels in terms of 'leftism' of MUF and Moo on their 'policy' (most noticeably, every CP candidate has been part of a right wing party... how Chewchewshoe is coping in Labour, I don't know) but when you say Moo is neutral (from the most right wing party in the country) what you mean is that he isn't involved in the MUF-Kunt spat. Now that isn't principles, thats a continuation of the social problems.

If I were to hazard a guess, Boru, you're in the view that Conway represents a Left cause. ILP do not seem to think so. You're practically arguing from a different perceptive to the ILP. From your time in government, none of this should be new to you.

"Boru, you're in the view that Conway represents a Left cause. ILP do not seem to think so. You're practically arguing from a different perceptive to the ILP" x2

This goes deeper than political placement. It is a story of failed diplomacy, endless accusations from both sides, and downright betrayal.

My problem is that we as the left were United in the ILP party in a way that goes deeper than communes, but in an RL left sense. There was a true feeling of comradery and pride in what we had accomplished. Choose to dismount and degrade what we've accomplished if you will, but we stand by our decisions, and have learned from our mistakes.

For this group to make a mockery of that, preaching about holding a far left position based off of communes alone is pure trolldom, which you are supporting BB, whether you realize it or not.

We have had our party stolen and changed by a group you have admitted to having shady principles. Through everything, as you stated we have kept our respectability, refusing to give in and play their game. That time is over now and I think our leadership may soon be divided on what methods we will use against these shady individuals. Judge if you will, but rest assured or sweat assured that we will get our party back, whatever it takes.

Someone once said we wouldn't win if we didn't fight fire with fire. I told him that the problem is once you do, there are those who won't place themselves in your shoes, and accuse you of being no better than those you face. You are one of those I was referring to. But consider the days of me giving two shits about your ILP opinion over.

All this gibberish....all this efford just to hide the fact Orcs PTOed ILP by corrupting a young player.

You Orcs did not only PTOed a legit party, you made every honest young player a potential risk for this country.

You Orcs were talking about babyboom and having new players in this country.
But tell me Orcs why would young players come or stay in ireland after your satanic abuse of young players in your scams and crimes.

It means only one thing...you do not want more people here coz it makes it hard for you to control this country and especially you do not want young players in important positions coz you can't deal with honest competitions.

You could all stay with me in Equilibrium party and work on your salvation.....you will never find happiness outside the blessing of The Word

Reject false gods and return home.....coz i love you.....

Marcus returned...he desire salvation.....join him and reject SATAN!

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If Loyalty is such an issue why didn't the Patriots stick around in Equilibrium when Kurgan was there? Come on it's Kurgan, it's bound to be fun!

We have stuck around in our own party. Refusing to bow our heads to scammers I call being principled.

I am still there!
And still awaits for my lost children to come home...

I mean....this way it looks like all this Orcs..so smart and powerful are afraid of one silly Kurgan.....

You guys have a funny way of showing it, refusing to associate with scammers but instead supporting a man without political principle and without morals. Someone willing to disrupt our national politics over a personal vendetta, using multis to do it.

Hey, if you want to make the Labour Party fine, but those 80-90 members joined the ILP...they didn't join the Labour Party. Takeover a small irrelevant party or use 40 gold (you guys have way more than enough gold to do that) and remake the Labour Party.

But as long as The Labour Party believes they earned the #1 party seat in eIreland...your 'Labour Party' will never be considered legitimate nor honorable to any Leftist. It was founded like the imperial capitalists of the colonial era, ironically also filled with racists and xenophobes.

You're the one supporting a man without principle Mike. This article isn't any particular endorsement of Conway, but it IS a condemnation of principled leftists jumping into bed with an unashamed populist, who uses multis to disrupt national politics for personal vendettas.

The Kunts are basically a corpocratic capitalists. Their behavior and methods are distinctly dirty, cheap, taking advantage off the kindness of others, disrespectful, and they TO'd the only party that tried to help them save their's. That, my friend, is against leftist principles. So if we need to support someone not exactly like us then so be it, we have little to no other options.

Hey, if you want to make the Labour Party fine, but those 80-90 members joined the ILP...they didn't join the Labour Party. Takeover a small irrelevant party or use 40 gold (you guys have way more than enough gold to do that) and remake the Labour Party.

But as long as The Labour Party believes they earned the #1 party seat in eIreland...your 'Labour Party' will never be considered legitimate nor honorable to any Leftist. It was founded like the imperial capitalists of the colonial era, ironically also filled with racists and xenophobes.

hey, the other Mike Bane voted Mike Bane's comment. Then the other Mike Bane commented the same thing.

Lol, I pressed "reply" twice I guess. Woo!

Yea I know it's happened to me too, wish they'd fix it ;___;

I'm glad you finally admit you're one of the kunts. I had different opinion about you ealier, sad u proved me wrong.

Now you're complaining after we got 600 000 loan which made it possible for us to make even more money. That loan should have be here for only one month, but it stayed for month and a half and you're still complaining about it??

Investing Irish Army must be priority, always !

I'm not complaining we got a loan, I'm complaining that the loan disappears when people you don't like get into power, and will probably reappear if you get into office.

Investing in the Irish Army?

4 people who are in the Labour Party and are close advisors founded and made the Irish Army possible. We are the original "investors". I gave all my wealth to the Irish Army which included 2 Q3s and yet you're openly dismissive of our plans and call us thieves and PTOers..

You're a hypocrite.

@boru
deal was one month till we make some money with it

@oj
never said that was wrong or bad
I never called you thief aswell. Only Marcus is a theif as far as I know. Padraig just got some of it. I never called u PTOer aswell.

Just wondering Brian is there any level of scumbagery you won't be an apologist for as long as the perpetrator claims to left wing? Because you are defending some serious scum lately.

Something tells me you aren't too fond of MUFC992.