Join the new world

The orgs approve the point in regards to freezing the funds 😛.

Endorsed as Governor/MoF this month and as SSG's PP.
ty Sensha.

Final MoF report is now available on forum btw (you should've also received a link if you're on the congress thread).

I saw it. You did a good job. 🙂

first of all if u lose on election, who gave u right to move all the money??
second, we were fighting for Japan and without national money and we will do the same again

You will spend all of the money we have. This is the intention you have shown in comments, forums and articles. The only intention. As the current MoF, national money are our concern.

only idiot can do that
this will be only temporary solution, we need long term solution for supply

Read again, Ceda. As I already said, Jeti has shown no other desire but to waste funds. Supplies are given when the time is right, when we have allies to back us up. Using the funds completely for ineffectual fighting is what we are against. In case that we have enough power, the congress is free to distribute currency.
And please refrain from calling us idiots.

I think Ceda is right on this one...

pr00fs pl0x

Money is being moved to an official government location under the safe-keeping of the current congress. We will have a congress for at least another 20 days.
If you want money, go thru congress. It's that simple.
We are simply giving congress the right to power of the purse over your antics.

It has been done...99.9% of the money (there's still like 10 JPY total sitting in various orgs) is in the treasury, and I did it before 6AM ERT to prevent a dispute.

257760 JPY was deposited

Is that the Assassin Creed logo?

Yes, customized to SSG. Credits to ahava3233 though, she used it first. I just thought it is good and should be used more.

it lacks creativity, the old one was better and more simple.

Each with his own tastes, Yakumo Chen. But I will have it in mind. 🙂

Credit actually to turt037.
He made it, albeit I recommended the idea to him :v.

lol

The SSG doesn't, truly, want cooperation.
Sadly, they would rather paint everyone else an enemy.

🙁
We should be working together.

(Still, I can't vote for a candidate who doesn't write his own platform, nor for a candidate that has the SERBIAN flag in their avatar... so Ahava-chan and the SSG get my vote.)

I stated the reasons for not aiding Kantaaa. We see him as a puppet. We are willing to cooperate. But cooperation doesn't mean to help someone blindly who only wants your help and offers no cooperation himself.
ahava3233 has contacted Geezus. Alas, she was ignored.
And thank you for your vote.

The candidates proposed to replace Kantaaa were unacceptable, they were just proposed so Ahava could say she tried. Furthermore, both sides were being rigid. We need a legitimate effort from all sides. (referring to SSG/ULJ relations)

Thats something we all need to work on

I can only speak for what I know and have heard from ahava3233, as she was the one leading communications.

But yes, I agree. We should work together.

Geezus never gave me a counteroffer and Darshu said he'd do what Geezus said. Otherwise he basically said I needed to shut up and obey him...supposedly
In fact, Geezus himself never said a word until the 3rd, when the candidates were set in stone. Then he complained about me being non-communicative. What a hypocrite.
Furthermore SSG was never contacted about cabinet positions while I heard your coalition was.
That isn't cooperation, it's asking us to bow down to them. Sorry, but no.
You really should get rid of Darshu btw...he may be a "good loli" but he's Geezus's puppet.

Darshu has announced this will be his last term leading the ULJ. And we were obligated to honor our agreement with the DNP (they support William and we support one of theirs) So by the terms of this agreement we could only support a different candidate if the DNP supported the candidate.

Geezus was unresponsive as he did not intend to alter the terms of our agreement. Had the proposals been more practical then perhaps the DNP would have choosen another candidate. And for the agreement the SSG was never part of our agreement, that's why they were not invited to participate.

I think the best option is a new agreement that all three parties can find fair. We all owe it to eJapan, being the largest parties, to strive for as much.

Well then why didn't anyone tell us?
I would've been satisfied with a simple.
"No, DNP/ULJ/ISP have a coalition deal. We are not changing that deal or negotiating with you."

But I didn't get that from anyone. Your coalition's leaders were silent, save Darshu who basically said wait for Geezus or support us without concessions, ie: bow before us.

I gave my interest in working with your coalition, I told Geezus that we would be willing to negotiate on various matters in my original proposition--but I got nothing but silence.

This is part of the problem. Geezus doesn't communicate well. He didn't ask about the SSG boycott during his term until the last minute, nor did he try to negotiate with me.

If his English is the issue, he simply needs to hire a good "attorney" to push his case or let someone else take DNP. That is really it, honestly.

Has the SSG gone full retarded?

The money is not owned by the SSG, so whatever the SSG thinks about the elections is worth a shit!

You manage the money in the name of your CP.
You move money only if the CP orders you to, otherwise you leave that money where it is.

i had chance to take all money from orgs, when i was cp
but ahava and sensha need to understand, we are not here because of money

We manage the money in the name of our CP and our country.
We are the current Ministry of Finance and William is our current president.
We have all agreed that there is a potential chance for us going bankrupt.
What we're trying here is to prevent that.
The money will be transfered to the country vault on this eRepublik day if events happen.
Our job as MoF is not simply to manage the organisations. We help prevent wasting funds. I have explained why. If the CP and congress are willing to spend them all, it is their own choice and possible action. It's up to them.

And with all due RESPECT, tarasino, our thoughts about the elections are our own, as part of a party. I stated them to clear some misunderstandings.

The part you're talkng about is what we do and think as the MoF.

For the failure cabinet that you were, you have a lot of balls, with all due RESPECT.
I am getting tired of your (SSG) constant antics.

And I am tired of your insults. We all have likes and dislikes, and we all make antics. I really thought you got used to it.
With the currenct course, Kantaaa will win. I consider you and Geezus to be mature about many things, including the way you will get to spend the money.

Where do you see me insulting you, sweetheart?
All i am saying is that it is a little bit arrogant on your part to want to take decisions that go beyond your term (looking at the performance)!
If you were so concerned about bankruptcy, maybe you should have tried to get a prolongation on the liabilities you had, instead of paying them right away!

This cabinet doesn't believe in abusing the credit of others, it is not the right thing to do. If they want their liabilities back, they get them back as previously agreed if we can pay them.

Tarasino, as I said above, you are free to go through congress to get the money back to the orgs once the Serbs are in power. Otherwise the orgs will maintain their balance for Kantaaa's term. Albeit we are probably going to have to take the funds out of the market as a precautionary measure.

The country's people (as represented by congress) will be given responsibility for the money in the event of a runaway spender CP.

Btw, a tip if you looked at the report, once you're in power, you can easily change the email addresses to something under your jurisdiction. You should notice the format I used, ahava3233+(identifier)@gmail.com. I used the fact that gmail allows an unlimited number of aliases for a single inbox with this format. Just note that to log into the orgs under these names, you will have to log in with the first login page, not the retry page as erepublik attempts to incorrectly parse the emails on the second one if there's a + sign in the address.

Honey, I am not sure I am into this kind of talking.

It may be arrogant, I agree. I see your point, but I am not sure you see mine. All I understood from you (except the insults, and yes, I do consider "full retarded and your thoughts are shit " as insults) is that we add the party to the ministry and that we act out of our term.
I stated reasons for this possible action (which may not happen at all), and it all is from the point of view of the MoF. It all has a reason which I hope you do understand. It may be out of our term, yes. But I still consider it the right decision, the other choice being almost 100% waste of funds for whom we do not have a surplus.

Regarding the liabilities, ahava3233 can explain the full situation, as she was the one handling it. All I know about the matter is that Irial wanted his money paid back immediately - and we paid him back. As for the bankruptcy, it is a threat only if we waste funds immensely - we believe it will happen if CTG win the election.

There something called election where the voters decide how and who will lead the country. Just because you think that spending money is a waste doesn't give you the right to make that decision disrespecting the voters opinion.
If you don't like a candidate or his plans that's your business but please don't let it interfere with country business.
Keep politics and money management apart.
I don't know who is gonna be the next MoF if kantaaa or jeti wins but i hope he will keep a more moderate position. In the end he is just the MoF.

So each of us sticks to our point, again. And here I thought we were trying to understand each other. Very well...

Yes, we are aware of this thing called election. It will decide the next president and cabinet. So be it.
And back to basics, MoF stands for Ministry of Finances. Finances are money. The ministry deals with the way it is managed, regarding ANY topic. Past, present or future. Yes, that also includes country management.
As we are the MoF, we deal with the money and also we have opinions, decisions and agreements. Yes, they can be towards this current event, why not? Is it that bad that we wish to ensure that currency isn't wasted single-handedly by a warmonger who will most likely spend all of it and that we give the control to the congress, who I hope can sit down and have a discussion about how funds should be handed out?

Politics and money management are bonded. This is the country's money we are talking about, not my own. Politics do matter, as they usually decide the fate of the currency.

Regarding the next MoF - his/her job will not only be managing the orgs. Think and think. The MoF's job is to ensure the funds are well managed, in present or in future. Not just bow before every person that goes on a rampage just because you make a decision. It's the MoF's job to think a lot and make decisions that are worth it.

Cuz that is abuse of power. I am sorry if you don't understand.
If the SSG thinks that they can use the country's money to do politics with it, you are mistaken.
As for the MoF part, i have been MoF for 3 months and i have served under 3 very different CPs in regard to spending and finances. I served to all of them and tried to implement all they wanted not because they were right but because they won the election.
If you can not respect an election process, than all your politics is just trolling.

Tarasino...I don't think we made this clear enough; Will is aware and we have his blessing.

And William of Edenbury, the current CP, is NOT SSG, HE IS ULJ.
So get it out of your head if you think this is simply some SSG political decision because you're honestly talking out of your arsehole.

Money is furthermore not being stolen, it is being given to congress effectively.

It seems that our understandings about the ranges of the power as MoF and the concept of trolling differ.
I already stated (more than once) why we consider CTG's article "dangerous" for our finances. I left SSG in this matter and spoke only as vMoF. I am sorry if you can not understand that, as it seems that you repeat again and again that we mix SSG politics and MoF work.

We served William. We did the minimum that was required for us, we did even more.

As for this "election process"... Yes, I have respect for elections. Real elections. Where each candidate would present a program that is not just for show, where a cabinet would be proposed. People are supposed to read those articles and considering their own opinion and party orders, vote to the person they deem best. An election with no explanation, with winners just because of sheer numbers and party orders? That I do not respect, as I do not consider it a real election, more like this "troll" definition you use. A joke.
That may, however, play an important role in eRepublik.

We already stated our politics regarding this matter. I expected something to counter what we said. Yet all I find is showing the fact that our actions are something unheard of... 😣

ahava, i thought you were smarter than william.
All this drama is leading no where. In the end what was achieved?
What are you gonna do next? Take the drama to the lolies?
Let's say, william tries to oust darshu the same way you did with shabutaro. And then what?

Tarasino, what the lolies do with themselves is their business. I'm just stating my opinion on Darshu. Will can run or not run, run a campaign or not, it's his call.
It takes time for a building to crumble though. Honestly.

Many here have a short-sighted view of our situation, I hope that changes for the better someday.

You told me I'm too ambitious, maybe I am. But without ambition, you're simply sitting in neutral. Sitting in neutral is great and all when you're admiring Mount Fuji, but not when you're in the middle of a barren desert with no hope in sight.

The CP agreed to the measure.

All we'd be doing is putting the money behind the "wall of congress"
You get them to donate it, the Serbs can use it as they please. That's all really.

It ain't laundering, it's more like freezing the money in carbonite under congress's discretion.

Who ever wins tomorrow should report ahava, sensha and wiliam to the admins. In serbia this was done by hanibal and hi is now permanently banned

You are free to do so. In less than an hour after the results become clear, it will also be clear where the funds are. Either in congress' hands in the country treasury or in the MoF's hands in the orgs.
And actually I'm interested in what you will report us for? Stealing funds? Refusing to give orgs? Or what? All funds will be in country-operated vaults and the control of the orgs will be given to the CP/MoF.

Ceda.mj
Guess what,
Given your comment I think I may take action before 6AM ERT tomorrow.
I'll get to sleep (given that is 9AM EST, my time) and the whole matter will be done securely.
It's a win-win 😛.

I appreciate the BS free article, but I find it amusing that in SSG's sudden crusade to fight the PTO they wanted to work with for so long, they begin taking actions counter to eJapan's benefit. Some actions could even be considered by the super suspicious conspiracy nuts as an internal PTO attempt. 😛

The intent to save the money from the eSerb PTO is well and good, but we all know where roads paved in good intentions lead. 😛

also the new logo aint that great

Yet another misunderstanding... Do not be so sure that we all wanted to work with them so much, nor that it was something sudden.
Regarding the "actions counter to eJapan's benefit" I'm not sure exactly how to respond. I already stated that we expect CTG to spend too much funds on effortless fighting. In case we are wrong and that the congress agrees to it, funds can be donated back to the orgs for whatever-deemed-fit use. I'm not really sure that I understand your point of view about how it will counter eJapan's benefit.

Perhaps you all should have spoken up louder then if ya didnt want to work with them, because ahava certainly sells it like SSG was all about it.
As for actions counter... lets just start with splitting the vote... every time we do that guess who wins, not eJapan. This time might be the exception but its cut things far closer than it should have been.