Ireland is not Vichy
Brian Boru
BRITISH TRIUMPHALISM
This article is mainly a response to the British Prime Minister, Jimbojoy, regarding the following comments;
"However we shall not let this deter us from continuing our war with Ireland, who have made no serious attempt at peace since a bizarre deal that was put to our congress by their CP, MUFC. He wished to rent NI for 100g a month for 6 months, but failed to secure the support of his congress. I am open to a peace deal, but it will have to financially benefit the UK, so Irish congress think hard about what you can offer us, an accord, or your swords."
As a precursor, I must say that I am not against peace. In fact, I was against this war on the basis of Ireland's readiness levels. It has been a somewhat opportunistic war for certain political factions in this country, as the simmering civil war in eIreland has died down thanks to the war. The main beneficiary of this, so far, is MUFC himself.
However, this statement by the British government is to be regarded not only as ridiculous, but as a grevious display of naiveté. The sovereignty of the Irish people is not a matter of sale between the British and Irish governments. Forcing the idea that "any peace deal must benefit the eUnited Kingdom economically" would be an act of gross colonialism worthy of the country's RL counterpart some centuries ago.
PAY BRITAIN? WITH WHAT?
Putting aside the political argument, it's quite apparent that the British government is pissing in the wind in terms of how much money it plans to get from Ireland. Practically ANY tribute to Britain would cripple Ireland for many months, NI or otherwise, assuming it came out of state coffers. Further cuts in military spending would have to be made, even more efficiencies found.
If the price of peace with Britain is crippling austerity leading to military weakness, the cost is too high. Our disproportionate military and diplomatic influence, built up from the flames of revolution over more than two years, would be shattered overnight.
PEACE IS POSSIBLE, BUT IRELAND IS NOT VICHY
If one requires an example of the damage that peace deals can do to a people's dignity, or a country's strength, one only needs to look at eFrance. The French have long been plagued with political-diplomatic weakness, and a lack of coherent ideological purpose in the game, and so have been defeated repeatedly. While French governments have improved the terms of their occupation by Poland, they remain in effect a puppet state.
For Ireland, it would be slightly better perhaps; we lack the strategic importance of France. However, we also lack citizens by comparison.
If the British want peace, the deal must not place a burden on either side. For us, that probably means giving up Northern Ireland without particular prejudice. For the British, that means giving up ideas of revenge. The British government is well aware of the internal politics behind our involvement in this war, and demanding economic benefits to end it is crass to say the least.
If we want lasting peace, crass isn't good.
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Strength and Honour
The day is coming fast
And it will soon be here at last,
When North and South again belong to Erin;
And, when John Bull is gone,
We'll all join in this song,
And the trumpets of freedom will be blarin'.
British arrogance strikes again, or, at least, the arrogance of the leadership. Attack us if you will, but be prepared for us to be a thorn in your side while you occupy Irish soil, if you manage that.
I don't think the British were the most arrogant in this story.
i don't like sorry..please don't do inappropriate comparison.
you are not french, don't use vichy as a word for explain the irish bravery, thanks.
It's no bravery.
bravoure ou autre chose, je n'aime pas cette comparaison facile et déplacée. je ferais la meme avec des clichés bidons entre l'eire et l'irlande du nord, ce serait pareil.
Je regrette de vous informer que la eFrance EST sous occupation sans resistance par le gouvernement francais, et la traité d'occupation est une honte. La comparaison est juste en ce cas. Cet article n'est pas sur le sujet de la bravoure irlandaise, mais la necessité de resistance; en Irlande et en France.
"a bizarre deal that was put to our congress by their CP, MUFC. He wished to rent NI for 100g a month for 6 months"
if this is true, where was MUFC going to get that from, NI is not worth spending 1g a month on, let alone 100g, whats wrong with his head?, if he is brokering deals like this then he needs to be shown the door.
^ If he got the money from non-governmental sources, it would be fine, but upon hearing about the deal, I had immediate doubts.
I already said I'd pay those 100 golds myself and not from country's finances ;😉)
Then it's a feasible enough plan, for a month or so
you must have very big pockets or a very small brain if your going to spend 600g for something thats not worth the money, or is it a case of easy come easy go with the money, and its not yours in the first place?
I have a lots of friends with a pretty big pocket and who owe me a lot of favours, if I said I'd be able to pay 100g/month then I'd do that ;😉)
we don't even want your money.
Then why did Jimbo say the exact opposite just there?
I don't really understand what corner of our treasury our govt would be able to dig up 100g/month from when there is barely enough money to be spent on more basic programs. Now... Correct me if I am wrong but hasn't the president been investing quite a lot of his money into the current war because of lack in govt funding in some area. If so we were not ready for a war to begin with and I don't believe we can live with a peace in its current variation.
The offer wasn't going to be funded by the Treasury and, in answer to the second part, from what I know, yes.
So MUFC was going to pay 100g from his own pocket every month??!
apparently
that said, I am pretty sure we didn't want the deal anyways...we don' even want your land...we just want you to politely b****r of
Voted after first paragraph.
MUFC did plan to pay 100G from his own sources. No treasury was to be used for this deal. Though, 100G would certainly help our struggling treasury grow.
Yo MUFC, you can pay me 100 Gold a month!
"so Irish congress think hard about what you can offer us, an accord, or your swords"
and i will be more then happy to give them the sword, finger, and anything else that can go up where the sun do not shine.
So we were are going to pay 100G a month for six months for something that is, and was always rightfully our own? Even if MUFC takes this tribute to the British to keep NI out of his own back pocket this is just stupidity, i don't understand much about the political side of the game,but I have enough cop on to know this is a bit too Irish.
British arrogancy caused our war in start, also call for help from our ally. Not opportunity, because that way we could attack them many times in past and many times now ( For example when they went on Portugal )
And yeah, I'd pay those 100 golds myself, not using countrys finances. That would be pretty stupid, but all I want is Northern Ireland as Irish region. After re-thinking we've even rejected that and offered them 'white peace' which was also rejected. I guess they thought they can actually wipe us before congress elections - another arrogant way of thinking.
I already invested more then 100 golds in our wars so far, so our country didn't had costs at all for suppling or anything like that.
And pretty good article, voted 🙂
The NI proposal isn't so much the problem as their idea that we should pay them for the privilege of existing.
The answer to that idea is simply "Fuck off".
I sent them the same answer for their arrogancy when they tried to put fingers in our internal issues. And you called that opportunistic ;😉)
It was opportunistic. But as I said before, I'm not going to oppose action to reunify the country.
And you lot never thought to ask the Ulstermen what they wanted so arrogancy fits both pairs of feet, yours just appears to be alot bigger
Arrogancy lol
I will arrogantly ask that all these mad people involved be left to rot in their own... ARROGANCE!!!!!!!!!!!
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