Greece vs Cyprus. A look into
KypriosEL
Fellow Cypriots,
These days i was somehow inactive, i can say a 2-clicker. I watched things happening, the history repeating itself again and i felt that i have to write my thoughts.
Suddently this month a new NAP agreement was made by Cyprus and Greece. It was also covering the new changes of the game. Some of us said that this was a bad agreement other said that we couldnt do anything else. The CP Camilo accepted it but later changed his mind some people said that this was a troll. So wtf is going on?
My answer is very simple. The two sides Cyprus and Greece see the issues in a different perspective.
Most of us in Cyprus stay here not for bonus or personal profit but just for fun and for keeping Cyprus on the map. While many of the Greeks stay in Greece just for bonus and profit. And at the same time they're taking the frustration of real life issues into the game except when it comes for Turkey because they are partners now. It is well known that when Greece didnt have regions many people left and made what we say Greek Diaspora for Bonus. In Cyprus we also gave shelter to many of them when as a country were deleted.
But fun is not the only difference...
The most important reason is the fact that we stay here in Cyprus for honor and dignity. That means that we can not accept any ruler, we can not accept to be a protectorate, we want to be free and be respected. On the other hand Greeks dont seem to understand this. And that was always the issue. They play the game of the forceful ....when they can. And it is their answer when they dont have anything else to say: "We do this because we can!".
So what happened with the NAP?
In my opinion the NAP agreement was a knife to the throat - not an agreement and a trap. It was: Either you sign this or no regions. And by signing the agreement Cyprus was becoming a protectorate of Greece by giving to Greece path for their bonuses everytime the path was broken (if this is really what they wanted). Something different from the previous agreements and was in my opinion doomed to die because its against the ideals of every country in the game, it was against dignity. The previous agreement was made with dignity to solve the bad relation issues but this one was going one step further by giving away the Cyprus sovereignty with our consent. And according to some people in Greece they can only make a subordination agreement with us and nothing more. If Cyprus was strong they would consciously accept to be deleted every time we wanted a path? I dont think so.
Greeks could choose a different way of approach but they didnt do it. Maybe because whatever we choose in Cyprus suits them. If we choose to give them path everytime is ok and if we dont again is ok because they can take it by force and they will also have an alibi cause we didnt sign. So its the strong against the weak. End of story....
Some of you will ask: What could be the alternative approach, especially after the failure for an agreement?
The other approach from the Greeks could be the acceptance that the game changed and that for some days they might not possess all the regions of Egypt or Saudi.
The same way we accept that we can stay with 2 or 3 regions and nothing more. Also it could be a friendship approach for help and co-operation and at the same time respecting our sovereignty.
But why to choose this approach?
Except from other reasons mainly because of the cost. With 4 countries under occupation they have to tank more. At the end the profit might be less than the loss. Not to mention that the drain might cause the freedom of other regions and possible loss of bonus for sometime. If they are so strong and can keep every region they hold then why did they want the extra path in the first place? So the risk is still in force and it comes the question: Did they really want this path or it was just an excuse to empathise? Whatever the answer i dont care i just see that they choose to see us either as slaves or enemies.
While they always complain that this is our fault (especially the trolling) they never blame their self for anything. Of course they are always right and they dont choose RL issues selectively. Pseftomagkes tou pliktrologiou. And to clarify, as i told you before not all of them in Greece but many of them.
To tell you the truth i dont expect much from this game anymore. The place of fun took the bad blood and greediness...
ps. With this article i dont justify the Cyprus CP for his actions or even blame the negotiation team for not doing a good job. I am just trying to show the 2 different perspectives that might give a light why these things happen.
It is my opinion and i do not represent the Cyprus state or community.
But i always say that for a bad situation both parts have a share.
Hail Cyprus
Hail Freedom
Cyprus is an honor!
Happy New Year!
KypriosEL (Real Life Cypriot, Kiprios, Kipreos)
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SKISTITS!
you said it best brother
1000+
Cyprus is honor!
v
you would get all cc back + 1 more region (sinai i think?)
anyway, your negotiators just said ok as far as i know and never proposed something else to the NAP agreement.
anyway
πολύ καλησπέρα σας 🙂
And what is the usuful to have one more region, which by the way is not nesesary to Greece or Israel,when i will be deleted. Ahhh and thanks for giving us our money.........
man, your negotiators did not even negotiate. . . .
noi negotiations no profit. .
simple as that
Just for the record,I'm commenting only because you mentioned Israel.I dont want to intefere to Cyprus-Greece relations.
Israel in the past was occupying Sinai (that give us NO bonus) ONLY to connect core regions of Israel with Tabuk and Hail..
Right now,with the new agreement between Turkey and Israel, Israel is occupying Al Jawf and N.borders..and we dont have conflicts over Sinai.
You can check the map and understand what i'm saying.
Kales giortes! 🙂
vs
babyboom
Happy new year, panpa o/
cCc Cyprus Cor Meum cCc
Good article.
v
Τώρα που θα βγει ο ελασιτόμαχος θα κάνουμε ΜΡΡ.Μην αγχώνεστε.
true story
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"Fellow Cypriots"
Why in English?
Φίλε, δεν είναι όλοι ελληνόφωνοι στην Κύπρο
Ε τότε δεν θα είναι Κύπριοι...
Λες να τους περάσουμε και από κάνα dna test???? Να σιγουρευτούμε...
προσπαθουμε εδω και λιγο καιρο να τους διωξουμε αλλα δεν φευγουν
εχουν πλακωσει ελλαδιτες, τουρκοι, κουρδοι και καθε καρυδιας καρυδι
και να πω εχουμε κανα πορο της προκοπης αντε θα το καταλαβαινα αλλα ερχονται εδω και δεν θελουν να φυγουν
u would have prefered in greek i suppose?? related to rl issues and not the game and point one right?? ..... well well well and i thought for long that racism was a french plague (yeak also related on rl for me too this time as u are always bringing it on table)
Leave it kitty he is trying to be ''smart''.....
>grik
>smart
Hah!
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ΡΙΧΤO ΗΛΙΑ....ΗΛΙΑ ΡΙΧΤΟ...!!!!
AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU
tout à fait .... signé
et merci KypriosEL
whele is pampuanca ? 🙁
Happy new year my friend !
<> You said it all here.
kypriomaxos +1
Same old stoty...
The "bad greeks vs the good cypriots"
you said "we want to be free and be respected", if you want to be respected then act with severity! Your congress placed a NE law against us a second after the signing of the NAP. The congressman said he was "trolling".
I admit that trolling it's a way of playing that game but you can't demand another country's respect and trolling that country same time. It's upon you side to choose if you want to be serious or to keep trolling us.
Wow the trolling kills people i didnt know it. And that is exactly the difference Bakaras we play for fun but you act childish. Or maybe you think that we are a serious threat for you? I might write a new article for The Difference Between Trolling and Punishment it might be usefull for you.
Never said anything about bad Greeks or good Cypriots. If you think that i wrote something that doesnt exist then point it out please.
Never justified anyone for his actions trolling or not. So Bakaras dont change subject. Its about The 2 different perspectives and if you think that i am wrong please point it out.
Lets make it clear. You cannot act like spoiled childs and then demad from someone else to respect and to be serious with you. If you want serious relationships with neighbour coutries then first be serious yourselves.
Also, don't forget that every action has a reaction. Dont blame others for the results of your actions. As i said at my 1st `post you can troll as much you want but don't demand the others respect. With trolling the better you can get is also trolling.
Η ελάχιστη στρατηγική που υπάρχει στο παιγνίδι αφορά τα bonus των χωρών τα οποία με τις συνεχόμενες αλλαγές κανείς δεν μπορεί να είναι σίγουρος. Συνεπως μια χώρα που θέλει να είναι ανταγωνιστική στο παιγνίδι θέλει να διαφυλάξει τα δικά της μπόνους έχοντας εναλλακτικές επιλογές (Paths) ώστε εάν χάσει το ένα να μπορεί να διατηρήσει τα μπόνους της μέσω της άλλης διαδρομής. Οπότε χρησιμοποιεί την διπλωματία της και ναι την 'δύναμη' της έναντι μιας μικρής ομάδας ατόμων που δεν θέλουν να είναι ανταγωνιστικοί στο παιγνίδι επειδή το βλέπουν με διαφορετικό τρόπο. Η μικρή ομάδα ατόμων σπάει πλάκα σπάζοντας μέσα σε λίγες ώρες την συμφωνία που έγινε. Οπότε θα έπρεπε η χώρα που θέλει να είναι ανταγωνιστική να πει 'καλά, πλάκα κάνανε τα παιδιά ξαναδοκιμάζουμε τον άλλο μήνα'. Αυτό εννοείς; Εγώ ξέρω πως ακόμη και σε ένα παιγνίδι μια συμφωνία είναι συμφωνία και την τιμάς. Εάν δεν την τιμάς τότε μην περιμένεις σεβασμό. Εάν μια συμφωνία είναι κακή οφείλεται είτε στην αδυναμία της μιας πλευράς είτε σε πιθανή κακή διαπραγμάτευση/πολιτική/διπλωματία. Εάν δεν μπορέσατε να αντιπροτείνετε κάτι καλύτερο τότε τι παράπονα έχετε;
Επίσης είδαμε άρθρα κυπριων για απολογίες για το τρολλάρισμα του Προέδρου σας. Αντιπρόταση; Καμία.
Άρα ποια τα δεδομένα;
1) Υπήρχε ΝΑΡ αλλά λόγω αλλαγής δεδομένων στο παιγνίδι έπρεπε να διορθωθεί
2) Εγινε νεο ΝΑΡ που συμφωνήθηκε
3) Το ΝΑΡ μέσα σε 24 ώρες ακυρώνεται μονόπλευρα από την Κύπρο.
Διερωτούμαι τι αναμένατε να γίνει;
Προσωπικά θέλω συμμαχία με Κύπρο. Αλλά εάν δεν μπορώ να εμπιστευτώ την ηγεσία της γιατί προτιμάει να σπάει πλάκα τι επιλογές έχω;
Αυτή είναι το δικό μου perspective από τα λίγα που διάβασα για το θέμα!
Κάνω κάπου λάθος;
"Οπότε χρησιμοποιεί την διπλωματία της και ναι την 'δύναμη' της έναντι μιας μικρής ομάδας ατόμων που δεν θέλουν να είναι ανταγωνιστικοί στο παιγνίδι.....κλπ"
Ακόμη και εδώ ρε Λεμεσιανέ απέφυγες να πεις χώρα... Είμαστε οι βλάκες εμείς που μένουμε Κύπρο...Ωραία μείνε εσύ στα μπόνους σου εκεί σύμμαχος με την Τουρκία μια χαρά περνάτε αλλά στο παιχνίδι Κύπριος εσύ δεν είσαι. Πιο Κύπριος από σένα είναι ο Κεμάλ με άβαταρ τον Μακάριο... Αλλά μην πουλάτε φούμαρα πατριωτισμού και κουραφέξαλα. Μια χαρά μπόνους χάντερς έχετε γίνει όλοι σας. Άντε και του χρόνου σύμμαχοι με καμμια Φυρομ αν χρειαστεί.
Εγώ τι διαφορετικό είπα? Το ίδιο λέμε. Χρησιμοποιείτε τη δύναμη σας γιατί μπορείτε. Όλα τα άλλα σας φαίνονται φυσικά επόμενα όπως πχ μια συνθηκολόγηση με τον τρόπο που εσάς βολεύει φυσικά χωρίς να νοιάζεστε για τους άλλους ιδίως αν είναι αδύναμοι και μετά μου λες ότι δεν έχω και δικαίωμα να αλλάζω γνώμη. Εγώ εξήγησα απλά τις δύο διαφορετικές οπτικές γωνίες και γιατί ήταν επόμενο ότι κάτι τέτοιο θα συμβεί κάτι που μου εσύ απλά μου το επιβεβαίωσες. Απλά πραγματα....
stop writing chinese men 🙁((
where is the özet amına koyim?
Please dont try to rationalise e-griks.
I see only the facts. And fact is that after the 5 month occupation e-cyprus and e-greece lived in peace for many weeks. Its clear that e-greece didnt whant that so we are back to drain - suck situation.
Happy play to all, keep your bonuses e-greeks, we will keep all the fun.
speak kurdish
dont speak at all.
Well said Antrea!
This man speaks the truth
"approach from the Greeks could be the acceptance that the game changed and that for some days they might not possess all the regions
...
The same way we accept that we can stay with 2 or 3 regions and nothing more"
exactly
Keep fighting for freedom & honour
eCyprus against all ag
What is "Greek"?
A north african mamal
well said, death to the griks
speak kurdish
no caps
ßß
free cyprus