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20:08 marcelbe As we all know, we 're here about Cyprus-Greece situation
20:09 marcelbe Everyone has opinion about who is right who is wrong if Cyprus must be free etc.
20:09 marcelbe We are here to find a solution on this
20:09 marcelbe About our side
20:10 marcelbe Of course we want to be liberated. Congress is very importnant for us, but at no case will we apologize about previous actions or mistakes. We are here for the future not the past
20:10 marcelbe Surely we are positive towards Greece. Since we acquire congress this month a NAP could cool down things
20:11 marcelbe and give time to both communities build better relationship
20:11 marcelbe What about such an idea Asomac ?
20:11 Asomac so
20:11 Asomac surely it is nice for former mistakes to be acknowledged
20:12 Asomac but Greece is more concerned with Cyprus' future, not the past
20:12 Asomac the drain damage happening now is not ireelevant
20:13 Asomac a better relationship is something we are looking forward to, but it must happen with words and actions
20:13 Asomac because one of the main obstacles is nothing more than a trust issue
20:13 tahauA excues me,like an mpp?
20:13 Asomac Cyprus, in the last months, has had a very unbalanced gaming tactic
20:14 Asomac an mpp is the last step, not the first
20:14 Asomac we basicaly want to be sure about your intentions
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03[20:15] * Sexy sets mode: +o Vaako
[20:15] You know well that months ago, when we changed sides Bulgary and Fyrom betrayed us. They are the most close enemies of eGreece and eTR this moment. Believe me we dont want to have any more relationship with them
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[20:16] but this depends also from you
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[20:16] If we can't reach an agreement we can't face you alone. We have to make our options even if we don't like them
[20:16] So that's why we are here
[20:16] And to be honest
[20:16] we will not come to an agreement based on fear that you will join our enemies
[20:17] The whole eCypriot community is tired with Balkan situation. Our view is to be free and have allies especially from old TERRA. But this can only happen if we know that eGR and eTR will not be problem for us. They won't be our enemies
[20:17] i will tell you right now that Greece does not want Cyprus as an enemy
[20:18] so I am really happy abt this meeting
04[20:18] btw, welcome, Vaako
[20:18] one of the issues of the greek community, for example
[20:18] was the previous negociations that Cyprus asked with Greece
[20:19] we started talking, you gave us your proposal, telling in an article that you want to be allies with Greece, and at the same time opened RW's, and heavy-tanking in them
[20:19] you do not do that during negotiations
[20:20] governments change. if you consider durito, me and rest people trusted enough we can go on. otherwise there is no point
01[20:21] marcelbe, even if u ll b liberated, cyprus ll keep fighting against egr and etr this month?
[20:21] so, you are saying, that your intention is to be allies with Greece and Turkey; no tamking against us, no helping enemies, no mpp's with big CoT countries,
[20:21] and of course help in any way when needed?
04[20:22] Vaako: wait a moment
[20:22] we didn't fight against eTurkey
[20:22] ever
01[20:22] if we were the occupier, u would. plus there r a lot of hostile acts against etr in past
01[20:23] i guess im talking the same thing with Asomac now 🙂=
[20:23] Whoever is Cyprus occupier, we fight against him.
[20:23] Look guys
[20:23] marcelbe
[20:23] let me answer you Asomac
[20:23] my previous question is important
01[20:23] we just want to b sure if we wont have the same situation
[20:23] yes, go on 🙂
[20:23] YEP
[20:23] yep*
[20:25] Being neutral doesnt mean that we are enemies. For that purpose there are NAPs. As I said, we are tired of Balkans. We don't want to pick a side CoT or TWO. We want to be independent with various mpps between Cyprus and other foreign friend countries
[20:25] If you want a permanent ally with the whole meaning of the word, no this is not what we are looking for. honestly
[20:25] but this doesnt mean that on first chance we will NE you
[20:25] We have to take care of serious matters on our community, like helping newbies, build economy etc.
[20:26] we can not afford to have a "time-bomb" that could help an enemy country around us
[20:26] so who are those friends you are talking about?
3[20:26] * Nenya|off is now known as Nenya
[20:26] This will be decided by Cyprus community, but I can give you some examples
[20:26] evening
[20:27] hello Nenya
[20:27] Pakistan and South Africa are some countries we have strong bonds from NaN. Chile and USA are two other examples that happens to be in CoT now
[20:27] Poland could be also a choice
[20:27] so as you see, we don't actually pick a side
[20:27] as you know, marcelbe, Chile has a war with us recently
[20:28] had
[20:28] we cannot risk you helping them
[20:28] yes, I understand that Chile could be a problem
[20:28] and tanking for them or their allies
[20:28] but tell me, is our damage so important in an mpp battle?
[20:28] damage builds trust
[20:28] even your ff's will be noted
01[20:29] ur citizens say so marcelbe
[20:29] i think yes,yoyr damage is so important in a mpp battle
[2😇0] Look guys, we all know that big part of eGreece doesnt like eCyprus. So do we, its not a lie. if we HAVE to be allies just to be sure that we will never bring problems then sorry but we need loyal allies. Thats why we are about to sign various mpps if we get liberated
[2😇0] I speak honestly even if it sounds abusing
[2😇0] but if Chile is a problem of course we can solve this
[2😇0] you are telling me you do not like eGreece?
[2😇1] but the general plan is to have mpps from both alliances
[2😇1] personally?
[2😇1] no I don't like eGreece personally
[2😇1] we dont want you to HAVE to be allies with us, you have to WANT it
[2😇2] I prefer to WANT it because we have good relationship, rather than having benefits
01[2😇2] i think signing an mpp should not b on table right now
[2😇2] so
01[2😇2] i prefer not signing an mpp with cyprus
04[2😇2] it isnt, Vaako
[2😇2] I think we shoulf proceed with baby steps
04[2😇3] Asomac, Vaako the main point is to BUILD RELATIONSHIP. You ask us to love eGreece from today. No, it can't be done. If you want us to try a new path between these countries, then yes we are here to do this
[2😇3] Cyprus must show that it wants to be on the same side with Greece and Turkey
[2😇4] then, what I can propose is that you stop opening RW's for a while, and when they are opened, not fight for them, and help our countries when needed
[2😇4] asomac right...
[2😇4] this will be also sided with articles
[2😇4] Yes we want, but this cannot be done now. Thats why we need time to fix relationship first of all
[2😇4] Since we will never be with BG or Fyrom
[2😇5] it means two things
[2😇5] a) We can be independent (as we want for now)
[2😇5] b)join your side (which can be done after relationship is in a good way)
[2😇5] What more simpler than that? :/
[2😇6] i think we cannot achieve the goal today; we are here to draw the path, though
[2😇6] marcelbe, really, the ball is on your side
[2😇6] play it well, and you will find no problems
[2😇6] if i can enter... marcelbe i heard all what you said now once before, cyprus claimed they are not on a same side with blg and fyrom and yet few days later you attacked Greece when we all together was in big action against them
[2😇6] Asomac: no, its you who "decides" about our congress
[2😇6] You asked trust
[2😇6] I speak you honestly
[2😇7] Nenya: You mean 4 months ago?
[2😇7] that was recognized like helping blg and fyrom
[2😇7] or what?
[2😇7] yes
[2😇7] that time all shit started
[2😇7] you cant ask me to risk a possible allied maneuver of you and Chile, for example, against us
[2😇7] yep, we changed sides. When gold mines were brgouth in the game Bulgaria backstabbued us
[2😇7] you should all lose a little
[2😇7] and this is the reason we will never help them again
[2😇7] We fought hard to kick BG out of Middle East
[2😇7] all of us
[2😇8] marcelbe, I dont care if they backstabbed you
[2😇8] and then Greece occupied us
[2😇8] I care if you choose to join us because of lack of trusted allies
[2😇8] (I explained Nenya the situation)
[2😇8] so
[2😇8] to cut it short
[2😇9] eGreece can give regions back to Cyprus. Not now of course. In the meantime, you have to prove yourselves
[2😇9] what about NAP with liberation of one region for a start, greece and turkey have to approve your mpp list before you'll sign it and you gave financial insurance? neither greece nor turkey cann't afford another mess from cyprus
[2😇9] what Nenya is very right
[2😇9] thats what we want as well
[20:40] Nenya, yes
[20:40] if you sign any other mpp outside this list, liberate another region or declare NE, you'll lose money
[20:40] what you mean by financial insurance? Giving money temporarily or permanently?
[20:41] please make it clear
[20:41] if you trust turkey government we can keep insurance from you, if you brake it, money goes to greece, if you will do what will be in the nap on the end of period, money will be returned
[20:41] temporarily will be fine for us; we dont buy our allies.
[20:41] so it is temporary, if you fuck up, it's perma
[20:41] and you'll be deleted for good
[20:41] don't come after that to ask anything
[20:41] I agree with such a plan, if you define me the amount. As you know our budget is very tough
[20:42] if you have money to tank like hell, i'm sure you'll find a money for insurance also 😛
[20:42] marcelbe, I also require your country not to fight for our common enemies
[20:42] joking 🙂
[20:42] nope Nenya, I can't ask anyone to pay from his own money to cover Cypru's insurance 🙂
[20:42] Asomac: that's why there will be approved mpp list for cyprus
[20:43] Ok.
[20:43] Can you clarify the amount ?
[20:43] and then we go on to the list
[20:43] honestly i just wanted to stop you all going into a circle
[20:43] so i'll let you Asomac and marcelbe to negotiate about amount
[20:44] Ok, Asomac I am listening to you
[20:44] if i can suggest marcelbe you can tell what you can afford and Asomac will tell you is that ok for him and what he expect
[20:44] I will have to consult my cp for that
[20:45] i'm sure marcelbe have to think about amount also
[20:45] what about 15k?
[20:45] and let me tell you right away, marcelbe, that should Cyprus not keep it's word, you will be deleted again, this time with no possible negotiations
[20:46] no no no dont think it
[20:46] 🙂
[20:46] what you say about 24 hours for both side to prepare wish list for mpp's, amounts both side offer/demand, and region you want
[20:46] i wish that is never come
[20:46] nenya right
[20:47] so, marcelbe, we will wait for your proposal, with amount, mpp's and region
[20:47] Asomac keep for yourself what you gonna do if we dont keep our word, but thanks for informing
[20:47] Ok we can do it now
[20:47] it needs to be clear, mate, we are all tired of this situation
[20:48] 24 hours is enough, no?
[20:48] more then enough if you ask me 😃
[20:49] but i'm not the one who have to propose anything here -.-
[20:49] 24 hours should be enough
[20:49] I want to ask something
[20:49] nenya,you are the boss 😑
04[20:49] epsecially Nenya Vaako and tahauA
[20:49] i'm not, i'm here only to help with advices
03[20:49] * ekto (cgiirc@6EA89881.B193886B.2AF973DE.IP) has joined #tr.mofa.office
[20:49] o7,welcome ekto
[20:49] What agreement may come from Greek side, will also be the same for eTR? (for example NAP?)
01[20:50] marcelbe this meeting is between gr and cyprus
[20:50] Okey
04[20:50] Greek side=Turkey side,i think, but our spooker is vaako this is my opinion only
[20:50] marcelbe: i'm only advisor, eTR gov will decide and negotiate with you
[20:51] To Asomac
[20:51] and ekto
[20:51] your only worries should be eCyprus towards eGreece
[20:51] .voice ekto
03[20:51] * Sexy sets mode: +v ekto
[20:51] with NAP we both keep our borders safe from each other
[20:51] and we start building relationship
02[20:52] * +ekto (cgiirc@6EA89881.B193886B.2AF973DE.IP) Quit
[20:52] thanks for the concern, but as I said, the ball is on your side, marcelbe
[20:52] Listen to me pls
[20:52] I want to make a proposal
03[20:52] * ekto (cgiirc@6EA89881.B193886B.2AF973DE.IP) has joined #tr.mofa.office
[20:52] was kicked out
[20:52] .voice ekto
03[20:52] * Sexy sets mode: +v ekto
[20:53] Our proposal is to sign NAP, maybe publish a common article and then leave it up to Cyprus congress whether we will also sign a mpp or not.
[20:53] But
[20:53] no mpp at this point
[20:53] the mpp is the last step, not negotiable right now
[20:54] we can't accept any list. i think not brigning ANY problems to eGR and eTR should be enough
03[20:54] * festoz (cgiirc@216D17A9.D30D6328.10882B4D.IP) has joined #tr.mofa.office
[20:54] .voice festoz
03[20:54] * Sexy sets mode: +v festoz
[20:54] how can we be independent if you decide our mpps?
[20:54] you are occupied marcelbe
[20:54] or decide who is our allie while we dont fight directly against you
[20:54] they didn't
[20:54] we need to know your position. not decide your mpps, but approve them
01[20:54] independence is smth to b earned marcelbe
01[20:54] not given
01[20:54] 🙂
[20:55] they will only give you veto on some mpp's
[20:55] Then we shall stay, we are here to find a solution, not to give ass
[20:55] 😛
[20:55] they will not tell you which to sign
[20:55] its not giving ass
04[20:55] Vaako: your words are just provoke to war
[20:55] they are not line in diplomacy.
01[20:55] u came here just a few min ago and deciding whats provoking whats not?
[20:55] yep I did.
[20:56] festoz: i'm sure marcelbe will inform you what we talked before you make any conclusion or place accusation
[20:56] festoz
01[20:56] marcelbe got my point
04[20:56] independence is smth to b earned marcelbe 20:54 Vaako not given
01[20:56] and knows its not to provoke anyone
[20:56] guys, to cut things short, me and Nenya dont like to repeat ourselves 😛
[20:56] marcelbe
01[20:56] pls keep urself calm and get the previous logs from marcelbe first
04[20:56] these words enough to have an idea Vaako.
[20:56] well it may not be provoking but doesnt help
[20:56] guys please
[20:56] festoz: relax panpa
[20:56] test
[20:56] no need to bring mess
[20:56] marcelbe-asomac will speak
03[20:57] * Retrieving #tr.mofa.office modes...
[20:57] we expect a pm to us with the amount of money, list of mpp's, and region you want, all within 24 hours; the pm will be to eGreece's and eTurkey's cp and mofas.
[20:57] This can be done
[20:57] yup, that was a point
[20:58] i can create message group
[20:58] but you won't have to veto anything
[20:58] after that greece will place a veto on mpp's if it's needed
[20:58] as I said maybe 2 mpps from CoT will be signed. no more
[20:58] it will have to marcelbe
[20:58] until end of months
[20:58] we don't accept it, sorry
[20:58] we will discuss that after we see the list, no need to speculate now
[20:58] ok Asomac is right
[20:58] Its better to discuss it now?
[20:59] unfortunately I cant
[20:59] okey, i m going to create group messages
[20:59] within 24 hours you will decided terms
[20:59] good, then a first step is made.
[20:59] i think so
[20:59] a last thing, marcelbe
[21:00] wait guys
04[21:00] Asomac Vaako ekto tahauA
[21:00] yes please
[21:00] apart for the official Cyprus government positions, we would also appreciate good behaviour from the cypriot community
[21:00] both towards Greece and Turkey
[21:00] mpps list is not something that I will decide now. eCyprus community will decide that only if we get liberated
[21:00] otherwise there is no point of signing mpps while we are wiped
[21:01] marcelbe you start taking back your words....
[21:01] bro
[21:01] I gave examples
[21:01] examples
[21:01] Can I decide whole foreign policy of Cyprus alone? of course not
[21:02] thats why you have a mofa
[21:02] do you want congress or not?
[21:02] Whole gov has to decide that, especially the CP
[21:02] thats why you have 24 hours
[21:02] and
[21:02] im sorry
[21:02] Rejected from first second then
[21:02] i try to read time to time
[21:02] as i see
[21:03] you talk about a mpp list that approved by greece
[21:03] right?
[21:03] yes, durito
[21:03] no
[21:03] yes or no
[21:03] we talk about veto on some countries you want mpp's
[21:03] like blg and fyrom for example
[21:03] as marcelbe said
[21:03] and chile
[21:03] Nenya: I made it clear
[21:03] and chile, for example
[21:04] NO mpp with Fyrom and BG
[21:04] we wont sign mpp with bg or mkd
[21:04] and its quite enough
[21:04] yes but those are just examples, we need the whole list
[21:04] there s no need to any list
[21:04] no you dont need
[21:04] and also we guaranty that we wont fight against you as in terms of nap
[21:04] durito we can not deside what you need
[21:05] and we are back into a middle of nowhere 😃
[21:05] and you can not deside what we need
[21:05] right
[21:05] so asking a list is not fair
[21:05] as i said already you should lose a little, both of you
[21:05] right?
[21:05] Nenya: patience 😛
[21:05] durito
[21:05] marcelbe: i'm military person, i don't like politics XD
[21:05] we ask for the list to know your intentions, not to dictate you your chioces
[21:05] choices
[21:06] already said it
[21:06] no mpp with bg neither mkd
[21:06] Asomac: no other CoT mpp except Chile USA or Brazil will be signed
[21:06] usa we ll try
[21:06] isn'
[21:06] maybe chile
[21:06] isnt that enough?
[21:06] yes thats more clear
[21:06] we cannot accept an mpp with chile
[21:07] chile isnot acceptable...
[21:07] "we ask for the list to know your intentions, not to dictate you your chioces"
[21:07] "we cannot accept an mpp with chile"
[21:07] and u dictate it
[21:07] yay, good.
[21:08] Why is Chile such a big problem?
[21:08] we have plans
[21:08] for the area
[21:08] I understand you fought them some days ago, but they dont airstrike Greece every day :/
[21:08] festoz: an mpp with a country we had direct war with recentl is bad intentions 😉
[21:08] ok ekto
[21:08] i just wanna know why you want chille so badly and why greece doesn't XD
[21:09] Asomac: this is not our first condition, I mean propose mpp with Chile.
[21:09] Chile used to be Cyprus' best friend during TERRA period
[21:09] thats why'
[21:09] but cutting a talks because of that intention of Cyprus is absurd.
[21:09] we have lost all good old allies with alliances changes
[21:09] so, guys, as unfortunately I have to go shortly, so ekto represents Greece
[21:09] marcell chile is not nagotiable
[21:09] and cro was greece best friend.... you are living in a past my friend
[21:09] we surely will try to keep it calm.
[21:09] we can talk on it later, but not now.
[21:09] we dont negotiate mpps
[21:09] we jsut say
[21:10] durito
[21:10] we wont make mpp with bg and mkd
[21:10] not cuz of your ask
[21:10] but we dont want
[21:10] if you want mpp with chile
[21:10] than you can not have agreement
[21:10] if you go on talking by threat
[21:10] there cant be agreement
[21:10] 😃
[21:10] duriyo stay cool
[21:10] whati if WE PLAN AIRSTRIKE ON CHILE
[21:10] -.-
[21:10] there is nothing by threat
[21:11] do i have to give you may plans??
[21:11] wait
[21:11] guys
[21:11] 30 aactive player country is problem for you?
[21:11] I'll solve this situation
[21:11] no
[21:11] durito
[21:11] look guys
[21:11] durito festoz doğru okuyun biraz adamların planı var mk ya
[21:11] 1 we do not ask of you to grant as areas
[21:11] 2 chile airstrike resent
[21:11] mpp with Chile will not be our first work after the independent
[21:11] and we may want to do the same
[21:11] soon
[21:11] we can talk on it later.
[21:12] 3 if you want to get areas through negotiations
[21:12] we will keep door to open on it.
[21:12] you need
[21:12] you miss a point ekto
[21:12] to listen to what we need too
[21:12] our problem is not chile
[21:12] but the way you threat us
[21:12] no you miss tha poin
[21:12] if you habve mpp
[21:12] with country
[21:12] we plan to attack
[21:12] than your damage
[21:12] ads
[21:12] to theeirs
[21:12] can I propose anothe thing yet: in 24 hours you give us the amount of money you decide, the list of mpps, and you will have both regions free
[21:13] hence what is the point to give you areas
[21:13] ??
[21:13] Guys
[21:13] listen to me
[21:13] asomac right
[21:13] just a moment
[21:13] ekto talking about mpps by this way is different
[21:13] talking like we veto chile
[21:13] please?
[21:13] you cant sign is different
[21:13] look
[21:14] Let's both sides step back. We dont sign mpp with Chile, you leave us sign every mpp we want except Fyrom BG Chile
[21:14] and there is no need to give you list
[21:14] what about that?
[21:14] I have to go, guys
[21:14] o7 to all
[21:14] Asomac: answer to this
[21:14] Asomac: 😉
[21:14] o7
[21:14] marcell you just "forced" me to open up future plans
[21:14] marcelbe: i think that should be nice start to offer
[21:14] and from your side
[21:14] ekto:
[21:14] you do not want
[21:14] let me clear the situation
[21:14] to tell me
[21:14] I am sure Cypriot side here is trusted
[21:14] asomac,i will create group dont worry panpa
[21:15] ekto will decide, marcelbe
[21:15] what mpps you intent to open??
[21:15] I'll tell, just give a min to explain
[21:15] if we are to have good relations
[21:15] it should be no problem
[21:15] tessekur ederim, tahauA 😉
[21:15] festoz: can I explain him our policy?
[21:15] or you?
[21:15] ok do it marcelbok
[21:15] okey
06[21:16] * ~Nenya bites all on channel 😒
[21:16] nenya 😛
[21:16] ekto: All we want is to stay out of Balkans. Of course we will never switch side to FYrom and BG but we don't want to have GrecoTurkish side as our official side
[21:16] We want to sign various mpps
[21:16] with countries that used to be good allies during TERRA
[21:16] +some countries from NaN
[21:16] Some examples: USA, Brazil, South Africa, Pakistan, Poland
[21:17] that's all
[21:17] i don't see a prob if that's a list
[21:17] greeks?
[21:17] for the last3 no problems
[21:17] by this way, we will gain time to fix our relationship and then mpp with Greece will be easier for both!
[21:17] for cot we need a fast chat
[21:18] with our contacts
[21:18] ekto dont take it as cot
[21:18] So you reject USA and Brazil as well as Chile?!?
[21:18] you know very well our relation with usa for exp
[21:18] i know durito
[21:18] and i understand about usa
[21:19] so for others its same
[21:19] but still i need 24 hours to chat with some people so that
[21:19] ok pass chile
[21:19] you guys all should now we lived in USA for 1 years before. after the migrate to Cyprus we joined TERRA. we still have some good relations with USA. don't take it as CoT.
[21:19] i can be sure no fast problems coming
[21:19] i did not say no though
[21:19] ok its up to you
[21:19] and ekto do you really need deposite form cyprus?
[21:19] i want to hear your opinion
[21:20] i know as i said about your usa relations
[21:20] and i understand it
[21:20] Then what makes you doubt ekto ?
[21:20] durito i am not alone in the goverment
[21:20] i need to take account my staffs opinion cause i want full support
[21:21] i mean gr gov by you
[21:21] just again i saw
[21:21] ok
[21:21] do you have difficulty giving a deposite??
[21:21] yes ofc
[21:21] ekto: you said no deposit would be discussed
[21:22] you talk with a country which occupied 5 months
[21:22] and yes marcelbe has a point
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