Corruption in the Congress. [FR/EN]
Nanoyo
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A mon arrivée sur eRepublik, j'ai choisi l'eBelgique sans véritablement me renseigner ni réfléchir. Il s'avère que le hasard m'a placé au coeur d'une situation politique houleuse dont l'origine ne parait plus possible à retracer. Ces informations, je les retire de certaines discussions ainsi que de nombreuses observations. Cet article n'offrira aucune révélation, mais mon point de vue sur ce qui est considéré à mes yeux comme la corruption du congrès, ou plutôt comme il le fut.
Afin de comprendre la situation, j'ai eu droit à un petit cours d'histoire politique sur l'ensemble des partis actifs. Ce cours m'a donné les bases pour analyser les choses et me faire un avis. Le fait est que, de mon opinion, il existe effectivement une corruption au sein de certains partis. Ce que j'entends par corruption ? Des intervenants spécialement prévus pour semer le trouble, lancer des propos diffamatoires, provoquer et déstabiliser. Or, la déstabilisation d'un état est la base de toute mission "d'intelligence" étrangère.
Il devient facile de considérer ce qui est lancé par les uns et par les autres, des individus, au sein du congrès, ont des ambitions différentes de celle d'une eBelgique indépendante et libre. Bien entendu que de nombreux politiciens le sont pour défendre leurs acquis ainsi que leur pouvoir, c'est l'essence même de la politique contrairement à ce que l'on nous prétend. Le politicien ne cherche pas à défendre le peuple, mais à utiliser le "pouvoir" de celui-ci afin d'obtenir plus de ce dit pouvoir. Par pouvoir, j'entends les hautes fonctions, mais également les finances, la "masse" populaire et le pouvoir d'influence politique.
Ainsi, dès cet instant mes propos n'incombent que moi. Il m'apparait évident que le taux de corruption est élevé dans les partis politiques suivants : Belgian Democratic Party, Liberation Front. Mais il y en a également au sein du parti Hope. J'ai assez rapidement compris ces éléments et ce en quelques jours d'activités uniquement. Je n'ai en effet été approché par aucun membre actif de ces différents partis, ceux-ci n'ont accordé aucun intérêt à me rencontrer, dialoguer avec moi et éventuellement apporter du contenu et des informations. Devant cette radicale différence dans la façon d'être, j'ai voulu en apprendre plus.
J'ai donc observé les réactions dans la presse des différentes personnes influentes et il m'apparait que ceux-ci se contentent de semer le trouble, désorganiser. Entre le trolling et les provocations, le joueur sans expérience peut s'y perdre et croire que la situation est grave.
Il me vient alors une série de questions. N'existe-t-il pas des lois pour faire face à la corruption ? Une personnalité publique et membre d'un organe gouvernemental (car le congrès est l'organe législatif du gouvernement) ne devrait pas avoir l'immunité légale, non ? Certains faits suspects sont relevés, on m'en a fait part, comment se fait-il que la Loi ne puisse contrecarrer ces actions ?
A mes yeux, de nombreux actes évoqués devraient avoir leurs conséquences. Le chantage, la corruption financière, le fait de soudoyer, la complicité ou la mise en place d'un complot, ... Et enfin, un point important à mes yeux concerne le statut de citoyenneté. Celui-ci ne devrait pas être donné de manière définitive, il serait intéressant d'appliquer une période d'essai qui rende la citoyenneté révocable.
J'ai conscience que mes propos semblent cloisonner l'état, mais observez la réalité sur une carte. Nous sommes cloisonnés, encerclés par des puissances. Ce que l'on nous dérobe, actuellement, ce ne sont pas nos ressources ni nos fonds, mais notre identité eBelge. Il est temps de réagir et mettre un terme à la corruption dans le congrès.
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When I arrived in eRepublik, I chose the eBelgium without really thinking nor knowing how it worked. It turns out that chance has placed me in the middle of a stormy political situation whose origin seems difficult to trace (and old!). I withdrawed my information for my opinion with the help of discussions and numerous comments. There will be NO revelation, but my perspective on what is considered to me like corruption of Congress, or rather as it was.
To understand the situation, I got a small course of political history on all active parties. This course gave me the foundation to analyze things and make me an opinion. The fact is that, in my opinion, there is actually a corruption of some partys. What I mean by corruption? Speakers specially designed to cause trouble, throw defamatory, provoke and destabilize. By the way, the destabilization of a state is the basis of any mission of "intelligence" foreign activities.
It becomes easy to consider what is launched by some and by others, individuals within the Congress, have different ambitions than a free and independent eBelgium. Naturally, many politicians are there to defend their money and their power; this is the essence of politics contrary to what is claimed to us. The politician does not seek to defend the people, but to use the "power" of it in order to get more of power, again. By power I mean the high office, as well as finance, "mass" popular mobilization and political influence.
So, from that moment my words will be my opinion and depend of myself. It appears to me that the level of corruption is high in the following political parties: Belgian Democratic Party, Liberation Front. But there are also in the Hope party. I realized pretty quickly that in only a few days of activities. I have indeed been approached by no active members of these parties, they have paid no interest in meeting me, chat with me and eventually bring content and information. Faced with this radical difference in the way to act, I wanted to learn more.
So I watched the reactions in the press of the various influential people and it appears to me that they are actively there to cause trouble, disorganization and sort of manipulation. Between trolling and provocations, the player with no experience can get lost and believe that the situation is serious.
Then comes a series of questions. Does'nt exist laws to deal with corruption? A public figure and member of a governmental body (because the Congress is the legislative branch of government) should not have legal immunity, right? Some suspects facts as it made me a hand, how is it that the law can not pursue these actions?
In my eyes, many acts mentioned should have consequences. Blackmail, financial corruption, Tampering, complicity or the establishment of a conspiracy ... And finally, an important point to me regarding the status of citizenship. It should not be given definitively, it would be interesting to apply a trial period that makes the citizenship revocable (for this trial period).
I am aware that my words seem to partition the state, but watch reality on a map. We are partitioned, surrounded by powers. What is derobed, at present, are not our resources or our money, but our eBelgian identity. It is time to react and put to an end the corruption in the Congress.
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Je vais répondre en français car en anglais, je ne saurai pas bien le dire.
Il y a quelques temps d'ici, une personne belge au congrès a ouvert les portes a Chrijstian (je n'ai rien contre lui) il avait déja fait des tentatives dans plusieurs pays. (dommage que je n'ai plus les shouts)
Tu y verras plus clair ici.
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-trm-funny-informations-congress-list-for-25-june-2281026/1/20
Ce dernier a ouvert d'autres portes et a demander via shouts... venez en belgique pour prendre un certain pouvoir... De nouvelles citoyennetés données ont gonflées leurs partis et je te passe des tentatives de prendre les présidences des partis.
Ce wipe ne donne-t-il pas l'occasion de mettre en place de nouvelles mesures et législation pour contrer ce type de corruption ?
bah ca fait des mois que ca dure, on voit des "rogues proposal" . Juste un exemple, lors de mon mandat on voulait une TW avec la pologne, santagio balance une autre NE donc voila on doit voila, on a perdu du temps. Ils mettent le boxon dans le congrès. Certains sont très bien attention, ca use à la longue 😁
poua retire donc voila on doit voila.... jai cafouillé 😁
sans compter que plus les mois passent, plus ils peuvent donner d'autres citoyennetés.
Ca sent le "nettoyage au karcher" tout ça.
C'est toujours le même qui vous emmerde ?
Nanoyo, vous êtes limité par les règles IG. A partir du moment où une personne à la citoyonneté, libre à elle de faire ce qu'elle veut. Si elle est au congrès, il en va de même.
A partir du moment où il n'y a pas d'infraction des lois IG... Tu n'as pas énormement de choix.
Pour le coup, maintenant que la Belgique à réussi à avoir une arrivée de joueur, celà pourrait être l'occasion de se débarasser de ce problème, encore faut-il mettre en place les moyens pour ça.
on y travaille, on avait instauré des règles pour donner les nationalités mais ils approuvent sans notre consentement....
Justement, est-il possible d'implanter des lois anti-corruption et de gestion de l'immigration ? Ca résoudrait ce souci lentement mais ça freinerait surtout les entrées futures, réduisant petit à petit l'influence au sein du congrès des éléments néfastes.
Non, tu peux contrôler les CS , mais pour ça, ça veut dire que tout le monde doivent jouer le jeu. Ca passe par des règles, et donc soit c'est un joueur qui s'occupe de donner les CS du gouvernement, ou le congrès qui débat. Ca permet de contrôler l'afflux de joueur et d'éliminer les fauteurs de troubles.
Mais une fois que la CS est donnée, c'est fini, tu ne peux rien faire, tu n'as aucun moyen de contrôle.
Pour moi, le plus judicieux, à l'heure actuelle, c'est de virer tout les partis TOer de votre top 5 , et les remplacer par des partis à l'aide des joueurs d'Eclypsia. Mais ça inclue aussi que les règles soit suivis par les joueurs d'Eclypsia.
Après je dis ça, mais je n'ai pas connaissance de toute l'activité de la communauté Belge. Mais toujours est-il que ce BB peut-être votre porte de sortie de cette situation.
tu as raison sur toute la ligne, on pourrait être aidés mais nous n'avons pas beaucoup de communication, et c'est la le hic. Avec Nanoyo, un lien se tisse car des deux cotés, y a eu un effort.
Bah alors au boulot 😛
What you propose as an eventual solution is actually the core of the problem. You would like to see sanctions, to remove citizenship, to legislate to avoid these kinds of problems, etc... but all of this is only possible on the forum where more role play is possible, because the game mechanics doesnt allow it. So you will have people who think that it is a good idea, but others that doesnt think that the forum should legislate on anything that is not allowed by game mechanics. Those who could see their citizenship removed because of their actions that the community jugded pernicious will then say that a forum mafia (to use a term I saw in the french press) is trying to control the power in order to keep it and to impeach them to make their voices heard because they are opposition. And then you have a divided society and a country it which it become quite difficult to work together to achieve progress (depending of the size of the differents groups). Anyway, good article which should create a very interesting debate.
Let me correct that for you:
It appears to me that the level of corruption is high in the following political parties: All togethers, The belgian dream, union unie
In my eyes, many acts mentioned should have consequences. Blackmail, financial corruption, Tampering, complicity or the establishment of a conspiracy ... And finally, an important point to me regarding the status of citizenship. It should not be given definitively, it would be interesting to apply a trial period that makes the citizenship revocable (for this trial period).
this is exactly what the parties i mentioed do
another agreement:
I am aware that my words seem to partition the state, but watch reality on a map. We are partitioned, surrounded by powers. What is derobed, at present, are not our resources or our money, but our eBelgian identity. It is time to react and put to an end the corruption in the Congress.
Thats we've been trying and will continue to try 😉 your invited to help out to end all off the bad mistakes
i just want to say you, i don't hate you, because you are maybe the only one who accept to make debate.
You know you're wrong and you assume it with diffamation. As expected.
These three party are composed by citizen who put effort to help newcomer like me, to give information and answer to question.
And you, like the party i mentioned, stay silent, ghost-acting, pretending you're right without giving evidence or proof. I have proof to give me this opinion, the past press article is enough to tell me who you are, what you're looking for and what you're expecting.
Nope.
Effort? hahahahaa
They ptoed the cp and cabinet for christ sake and don't even have a newbie program whit supplies...
Yes they right articles (like i do) => not that hard but timeconsuming...
And no they dont give supplies....(which is helping newbies)
While we do in this mu for exemple:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/group-show/4189?page=1
I don't sit silent, i am probably one of the most active wrighters in belgium (check my newspaper) its full of educational and fact articles 🙂
I am looking for a non corrupted, non pto'ed ebelgium where objectivness and fairness for all players (especially newcomers who are beeing neglected now) can thrive...
And i'll continue that fight against corrupted parties...
But i see your biased giving your mu membership, which i don't blame you but i find it very funny in which exstant as a newcomer your so badly informed
Genetical-politic argument. I would like to know HOW FAR my MU membership can tell you i'm biased. Tell it. You're certainly a good citizen, but as far as i see, the last effort you put was to give a total discard about the actual government. ... Ans how surprizing, approving every PTO move. When someone is completly defined, he can't withdraw with lie.
@kanselier
first of all Kanselier, saying you stand for something and actually standing for something are two different things. Second, i am pretty sure his membership in OBA has hardly biased him since he's only in it for a couple of days and that MU's aren't political activiting organisations at all (atleast most of the MU's aren't and i wish i could say the same about BSS). And claiming that you help out newbies because your MU gives supplies to it's members is just ridiculous because almost every MU does it and yours actually supplies less then most (for example OBA).
your supporting the pto'ers 🙂.
As a new member i wonder why, i really do cause its absolutly unlogic...
When i joined they all welcomed me, and a few days later i already knew how corrupted some parties were.
I made it my personal quest to fight the injustice and i'll continue that for the future of this country 🙂
Here's your hero medal.
Kanselier you were also welcomed by me and many others 😉
the proof, no one is speaking about proposal before, just several players are on forum to debate.... You see how it's difficult to make something with this kind of actions.
Well indeed the current situation and drama is difficult to trace back and very, very old (atleast a year or more now)
no, at least 3 years.
Only the last year and a half it became more dominant.
the big question, why they stay in our country. We are so kind maybe 😑
because it isn't yours country elynea, its the country of all ebelgians and you guys forget that
Kanselier, i can say you one thing, i stay just for the respect of the population, when ebelgium was in union with eNL i had one elife in another country. Maybe you must see that, it's a game, not a question of possession.
meaning?
you mentioned "our country" which it isn't...
its every ebelgians country...
so far for your possesion 🙂
Meaning you think Elynea is not an eBelgian. Or she's right when saying "Our country" because she's part of eBelgian citizen.
your already twisting words wrongly nanoyo "clap clap"
Kanselier, you are always talking about "your country". I prefer to say "our country" like Elynea said.
I prefer to say its the country of all ebelgians not just by your group olv 🙂
I never said that. You on the other hand have proved how powerhungry you are by calling eBE "Your country". I understand now why you are so good friends with Christijan...
Kiddo, you are brainwashed and manipulated.
Yeah, someone in the street asked me if i love sweeties, and now i'm all naked. It's cold. 🙁
(Don't tell me what to think, proove me what you think.)
Don't fool yourself; appearances are deceiving.
If we are corrupted like you are insinuating; how comes we never ever won any CP elections?
Because Ruling Caste doesn't want to allow anyone outside their circle to win it except them.
Maybe you lack of communication skills.
It's also pity you can not ask these people what they think about who is really PTO-ing whom and who is really corrupted side of eBE:
http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/4072933
http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/3924
http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/3278747
http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/3233198
Maybe you are lacking several screws in your head?
Three dead poeple. If you want to tell me your story, just MP me. I'm open to it even if you think i'm " brainwashed and manipulated kiddo". 🙂
Kiddo, are you sitting on your ears or on your arse?
I have sai😛 "It's also pity you can not ask these people what they think about..."
meaning or better alluding:
they are (e)dead, so we can't unfortunately ask them for their opinion.
Dutch version too please.
Can't you read English?
This is about respect for everyone in Belgium is Belgium. If you write in French than you need write in Dutch too.
Give me a name of one flemish player that doesn't understand English.
It's about the principle, about respect for the dutch language in Belgium.
Sure Chris, "Le Soir" write all their articles in both languages.
Respect the principle of communities. I don't see any problem if there are article in NL / EN without FR.
If you have principle, apply them. Thanks 🙂