[AFA] About WTP and "PTO" - Part 1
Toto Schillaci
Hello to everyone 🙂
After all the mess which happened during pre-election period, I will need to write several articles in the name of AFA in order to explain all the situations which were leading to the mess that I was talking about.
First of all, I would like to say two things:
1) This is official and public apology to all WTP members. We are very sorry to see that WTP is out of top 5 and we can't deny our part of responsibility for that. That wasn't our goal for sure, as we saw this action as possibility to prove AFA's reliability and to help WTP to place better in eUSA political rankings. But, also, we won't accept that responsibility for the mess is only ours, as legitimate WTP party president (ValiantThor) was practically the initiator and leading figure of the whole action.
Obviously, we failed in both of our goals and, as we have to deal with our failure, WTP will have to deal with removal from top 5. I repeat, that is something that we really did not want to happen as we are aware that WTP has a lot of players who worked hardly to keep WTP as one of the major political forces in the eUSA.
2) We are aware of the fear that people had about possible PTO but we want to make clear that we weren't representing any real danger to the national security, which will be, hopefully, proven in the articles which will be published during the next few days.
The main problem, as wee see it, was the lack of transparency to public and rapidity of changes of the situations which were leading toward mess. We have also made some mistakes in cooperation with ValiantThor and we will have to learn the lesson from all of this so we don't repeat such mistakes in the future.
It's very hard to explain what happened. I don't even know from where to start. The roots of the whole action could be even found at the beginning of Mr. Gnilraps' (current PotUS) term of office.
Till now, I don't know how many of you are familiar with the fact that Mr. Gnilraps searched for AFA's endorsment for presidential elections?
So, for the moment, I will stop. I don't want to write rambling novel in which readers could be lost because of the bunch of information.
This is just the first article, we wanted to make clear that we are sorry because of panic that we produced, but we want to make clear that panic was maybe deliberately created from people who are not AFA members. Also, we want to repeat our honest compassion with WTP members as we never wanted to do harm to that party, but to do the opposite.
For now, it's enough. I will continue in the next article where you will be informed about official negotiations about presidential endorsment between Mr. Gnilraps and AFA which we see as the start of the whole action which supposed epilogue was meant to be seen in the last few days.
Regards,
AFA SG
Toto Schillaci
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[AFA] About WTP and "PTO" - Part 1
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This is a load of B.S.
Same AFA as always.
Lol'd.
Its over. It happened, shelve it and move on. We don't need more parts to this.
If you're still wondering what it was exactly that was wrong:
WTP generally uses an offsite tool to vote for its congress members instead of leaving the decision up to the PP. In-game members are put in a census and allowed to vote using the offsite tool, which verifies their eRep account by using their profile link and an identify code that is automatically sent to a citizen's eRep inbox when they put their profile link in the voting tool (this is similar to how Rizon confirms that you own your email when you register a nick on IRC).
As you can see here: http://www.ereptools.tk/elections/results.php the WTP congress primary did indeed take place, and the WTP congress ballot in-game should have gone in that order. Val wanted to disregard the usual procedure in an effort to strengthen the party, but other party members were uncomfortable with that idea, as you can sort of see in the meeting logs linked in Aramec's portrait of a player article.
Now, putting aside you being AFA, the reason the WTP considers this a PTO is because Val completely threw aside the longstanding primary procedure to put unknown and unvetted quantities (yourselves) on the in-game ballot without the knowledge (or approval) of the rest of the party. Of course, with him being the in-game PP, that's totally within his right to do, but if one judges by our meta community procedures, it's a PTO, because it disregarded procedure and went against the will of the rest of the party.
Don't misunderstand me though. I'm not throwing all the blame at the AFA's feet. As far as I can tell, you might have been a complicit party, but you were not aware of these meta procedures, and had you been aware, you might have done things differently; I'm just trying to better explain what went wrong.
I can agree that most of the blame here lies with Valiant Thor and with the WTP members who voted for him jointly, but the problem you guys (the AFA) have here is that 90% of the eUS community doesn't trust you, and even though maybe 10% is willing to talk and listen to you man-to-man, things like this hurt your cause (and the legitimacy of the remaining 10%'s view) because it makes the other 90% look right and gives them a chance to go, "Haha. We told you so," or "Yep, same old AFA," as you can see in some of the comments here.
Finally someone explained why this was considered as PTO action. All I can say is that we trusted Valiant and we weren't absolutely thinking about the possibility that he broke usual party procedure.
If that procedure is written as the law or rule, then we broke it without being aware of that. But if that is some unwritten rule, Valiant had right to choose congressmen by his own and the mess was because he supported AFA.
Either way, the lack of transparency and of communication is the biggest mistake by my opinion.
I believe it's codified somewhere in the rules on the WTP boards on the eUSforums, but I can't find it at the moment. (RaccoonGoon pages Hale or Disco to find and link that junk.)
Also,
"Either way, the lack of transparency and of communication is the biggest mistake."
I agree with this.
Tanishq sent me all in details, so thank you both.
Magic Bullet anyone?
I'm in the market for a bridge and some swampland in Serbia...do you have any you could sell me?
Actually, I believe this. Not that I'm gonna stick AFA on a ballot, but I don't think they orchestrated the events in WTP at all and I think they were duped by VT as much as the rest of us.
I am with you on this.
Honestly I was amazed when WTP thought VT, the long-time troll/idiot, fit for a leadership role. Even I didn't expect him to completely disregard standard procedure, ignore the primaries WTP so strongly defends, and then blindside all of WTP just barely with enough time for the ATO to stir up and correct things.
I don't personally blame AFA for this move--though I'll admittedly not trust AFA members enough to put them in the USWP congress--as it seems VT let *everyone* down. Please don't let this discourage you, though. I want to see AFA become a legitimate party that people can actually work with, and have hoped to see such a change since I joined eRep. I'm glad you're trying, but do understand that years of damage and stress will take some time to reverse. Don't go back to your old ways and don't ever go handing everything back to Ajay.
This problem with VT will set AFA back a bit, but do keep at it, and you might find that a surprising number of people are interested in seeing you progress towards legitimacy.
I'm glad to see there are reasonable people, which every second word is not ''serbian terrorists'' or shit like that ...
Apology accepted even though you're all a bunch of Serbian terrorists. 😉
What Serbian
ever terrorists
do Serbian
you terrorists
mean?
10x more truth in this article than all of the ValiantThor articles combined.
Toto, I thought things were progressing nicely in our talks.
A few things happened and our talks were truncated. I am probably not much interested in that subject any more. But I definitely believe that you got screwed over by ValiantThor.
As I warned you at the beginning of our conversation, however, it is going to take a long time - not 1 month - before any of the eAmerican public regards you as legitimate.
This article I voted.
It is one thing to be a loud mouth troll, it is a completely different matter when you turn on your country; Valiant Thor is such a troll and has therefore be placed on the Blacklist. Usually I hate such list, but VT and RGR are two citizens who deserve what they got; because of this the AFA will never be trusted fully.
When did it get all Serbian terrorist up in here?
You know I really wanted to give you guys a chance you. I thought maybe they have changed. But no you guys are a joke, no one is going to trust you or listen to you again. I hope you guys enjoy your wasted days here in the US.