REPOST: Referendum started
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by Ministerie van Binnenlandse Za
[English Version Below]
Beste Burgers van eNederland,
Zoals jullie in het meest recente MoFA artikel hebben kunnen lezen streeft de regering er naar om lid te worden van de alliantie Aurora. Om ook uw mening hierin mee te nemen zal er spoedig een referendum worden georganiseerd waarbij u kunt aangeven of eNL wel of geen onderdeel zal moeten worden van Aurora. De aanvraag tot toetreding zal pas in behandeling worden genomen door Aurora als 66% van de stemmen een positief signaal geven.
*Update* Het referendum is gestart en kan worden gevonden via deze link: http://www.enetherlands.nl/viewtopic.php?f=334&t=12454
Om u wat extra informatie te verstrekken ten einde weloverwogen keuze te maken zijn hier wat interessante links:
Het MoFA artikel over Aurora: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-mofa-overview-of-alliances-aurora-2384756/1/20
De pagina van Aurora met relevante verwijzingen: http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/alliances/11
Het debat over het referendum: http://www.enetherlands.nl/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=12436
Het referendum zal 72 uur duren en plaats gaan vinden op het forum en is enkel toegankelijk voor burgers van eNL. Heeft u nog geen account, dan raad ik u aan om er zo snel mogelijk één te registreren. Vervolgens dient u op het gebruikerspaneel ‘eNL Burgers’ te kiezen, dit laatste is noodzakelijk om deel te nemen aan het referendum. Een gedetailleerdere uitleg over forum registratie is in dit artikel te vinden.
Verdere vragen kunt u gerust stellen onder dit artikel, of in het debat dat momenteel plaatst heeft op het forum.
Met vriendelijke groet,
Trannsvaal
Chairman of Congress
Steve_God
Deputy Chairman of Congress
Dear Citizens of the eNetherlands,
As you could read in the most recent MoFA article, our government is aiming to join the alliance Aurora. To incorporate your opinion, there will soon be a referendum where you can let us know if you want eNL to join Aurora or not. For Aurora to consider our application, a 66% majority of positive votes is required.
*Update* The referendum has started and can be found by following this link: http://www.enetherlands.nl/viewtopic.php?f=334&t=12454
To provide you with some extra information to make a decent choice in the referendum, we provide you with some interesting links:
The MoFA article about Aurora: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-mofa-overview-of-alliances-aurora-2384756/1/20
The in game page of Aurora with the relevant links in it: http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/alliances/11
The forum debate about the referendum: http://www.enetherlands.nl/viewtopic.php?f=27&t=12436
The referendum will be open for the duration of 72 hours after and take place at the forum and will only be for citizens of eNL. If you don’t have an account yet, please register one. Afterwards, go to the
user control paneland select ‘eNL Burgers’. The last is required to be able to take part in the referendum. A detailed explanation about forum registration can be found in this article.
Further question can be asked here or in the forum debate.
Regards,
Trannsvaal
Chairman of Congress
Steve_God
Deputy Chairman of Congress
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[NL] All citizens of The Netherlands need to vote on this important referendum. http://www.enetherlands.nl/viewtopic.php?f=334&t=12454
And where is the info on f.e. LETO? How can I make a choice if other options are not explained?
And why are non forum users discriminated? Doesn't their vote count as well?
Information regarding Asteria/LETO has already been provided in the past. A survey showed that our citizens have the most interest Aurora. That lead to the question now whether we really want to join Aurora now, that means LETO is pretty much irrelevant in this referendum.
And we are not discriminating against non forum users, as you can see there is an explanation included how to get there. Heck, you can even get a reward for subscribing to the forums as a dutch citizen 🙂
So you need a forum account and if you don't you can't vote. I play a game here. Forum is not part of that. that's something people added to it.
And the explanation in the past was marginal and biased. There hasn't been an overview of pro's and con's of the alliances. Gov should inform citizens and therefore provide that overview.
Debating and 90% of the decision making happens on the forum, this is the case in almost every country. If you think it's too much effort to make a forum account to be included in these things why would you care to vote in a referendum?
There will be an ingame congress vote to join Aurora so if you want to "play a game here" you can message congressmembers about it.
"And the explanation in the past was marginal and biased."
That is far from the truth and that is insulting as well. Every overview of the alliances was entirely objective. If you had been paying as much attention as you claim to have been, you would have seen those articles. I spent my valuable time gathering the information for each of the articles written and did not at any point express any of my own personal beliefs. Only facts were presented. Please, do not speak on such topics you clearly are not informed enough about.
And, yes, the referendum is on the forum for numerous reasons. One sure reason, for example, is I'm sure to prevent any influence from multiple accounts which is a very reason because it is important to only allow each player one vote and not allowing certain players to use the accounts to push their own agendas. It is important to do this to have a functioning and fair democracy.
90% on a forum? wow. Well, I just like to do some quick actions and haven't the time nor interest to do much other activities. Just as I wont take a seat in a gov as that would cost extra time which is something I won't invest in a game. Well at least not this one.
Well, Lancer, it didn't strike me as objective. And from what I've seen it was marginal info mostly taken from their ingame pages. I haven't seen much extra information while that imo would be the most interesting...
If it isn't worth your time to register an account, why is it you do have time to read those articles, form a proper point of view and stating your problems with the course of action with a lot of words?
This is how our system works. And if you don't like it, you are most welcome to write an article to shed your light on it 🙂
I think Trannsvaal, that on forum there is a lot more to read and see. Especially as maarten states 90% of decision making is done there. That's even "worse" than i expected. Main reason not to register there was self protection; Knowing myself it would take a lot of time and this game doesn't seem worth it although I was told to be patient.
That however doesn't mean that people like me shouldn't be informed. Latest I heard was about 40 people voted. Most likely increades by now, but it's still only a fraction of the players we have.
Part of the non voters you'll never reach as they have no interest at all. I guess the largest part however isn't voting since they are not informed and therefore don't know what to choose.
Curious here, perhaps someone knows; How many people actually have a forum account and how many are indeed active on forum? And perhaps there even are people on forum that are not even a citizen anymore as you can move to another nation and as forum is an extra that most likely isn't linked to each other.
I think less than 100 are actually active. Perhaps even less than 50. Might be most decission making is done there but you can hardly call that democracy if the major part of our nation ain't involved.
Bear in mind; Thats not something specific for this gov. Thats a general remark.
How exactly did it not strike you as objective? Don't throw out claims and accusations and then not back them up. Be specific. The information I gave was FACTUAL information. FACTS don't have a bias. They are just what they are... FACTS. I gave plenty of information for people to be informed about the each of the alliances, their respective charters, their member nations, AND even more!! It was so long I had to split it up into 3 articles in total or else it would be too much for people to read in one article. So stop with this BS. Don't complain when you don't pay attention to the media that you missed it. It isn't MY fault, it's YOUR fault.
Well the statement that was done by MoFa was focussed on the pro's of Aurora alone while there were no statement on the pro's of the other nations. i call that biassed.
Non biassed would have been showing a list or other overview of pro's and con's of all alliances so the people could make up their minds themselves. By not doing so but in stead only focus on the positive sides of Aurora the intel provided is biassed. Or you could call it a mild form of brainwash in stead of biassed.
Bear in mind; I have no knowledge of the pro's and con's of other alliances so have to rely on the intell provided. Yet I can't make up my mind as I have only pro's of Aurora while other alliances pro's could strike me as better.
You remind me of someone.
We explained what LETO, Asteria and Sirius mean.
There were even people who made cons and pro's themselves, do some research maybe?
Also, you say you play a game, but really, most activity from this game takes place on a off-site forum since eRepublik doesnt offer that much as in social tools.
You might feel discriminated but really, voting on our forum is the best thing to keep multies away and monitor the voting.
Again, do some research and quit saying you play a game, because you don't if you let out the whole community aspect.
Think I know who you mean. I have the same idea.
Really? Curious who that might be as most people I know tell me I'm quit unique 😛
I can do analyses myself indeed. But I'm not the one talking with other nations. So I can't decide which nations and therefore Alliance fits best. It's up to gov to inform a nation I'd say.
Something that would help (at least to me) could be an overview of the alliances and there relations toward each other as well as an overview of countries within an alliance and there individual relation with us. The only people that can explain that are the people talking with them I expect. And that then differs also as it will most likely depend on the persons that are talking. Just like we were friendly towards nations that we aren't anymore it would seem. You can't expect all citizens to keep track but the people in gov ar on a daily basis working on it (i presume) so it's a small effort to inform us I'd say.
Je beschikt niet over de nodige permissies om dit forum te lezen.........
what the ****
Got a forum account? Make sure to request access to the eNL Burgers group here: http://www.enetherlands.nl/ucp.php?i=167
Gave him access. Try again, Vlam
weinig aan te doen, je bent en blijft nummer 1! 🙂 tnx
I also get "You are not authorised to read this forum." And i though people with "Expatriates" had the right to partake in referendums
Incorrect, 'expats' don't have the right to vote in a referendum. Lets hope that there is something more suitable for you after the rework of the lawbooks. In the mean time: Foreign Resident suits you better imo.
Incorrect, 'expats' don't have the right to vote in a referendum. Lets hope that there is something more suitable for you after the rework of the lawbooks. In the mean time: Foreign Resident suits you better imo.
Voted. o7
Meh, finally behind my pc again checking some articles and it is closed. Sad that the voting was during the one weekend that I was away 🙁
55 votes doesn't seem a lot, it is even less than the article poll from a while back. I don't think it represents our country all that well. If we only have 55 players being active and caring enough about eNL.. than we are in a lot of trouble!
Apparently some refuse to use the forums and aren't members of the NL citizen group on the forum so they can't vote according to the lawbook. 😶