Sol and EDEN’s Relationship
Sol HQ
[While the charter says for this to be published in South Africa, I thought it much more useful to publish in Australia, where South Africa's refugees are while the battles still rage.]
It's not a secret that Sol and EDEN have similar goals in Asia. EDEN does not want Phoenix to hold the region's high-density resources, and Sol would love to have those regions back under its own nations' control. However we may work together to achieve those goals, there are separations that are important to remember.
Sol is not a sub-alliance of EDEN, or any other alliance for that matter. We have our own independent governance, charter, goals, organization, etc. We continue to operate as much for our countries' and allies' sakes, outside the conformity of a super-alliance. EDEN respects that, and when they move to accomplish a goal, it is often for the benefit of both sides.
However, this does not mean we are one in the same in all our goals. One of the great things about Sol is that it realizes that it is smaller than the two super-alliances constantly punching each other around the world, and it is stuck in the middle, sometimes with little to do in the name of military conflict. Sol has the guaranteed freedom of allowing countries to also be affiliated with other alliances, as long as said country does not begin to use that affiliation to threaten other members' securities. We would certainly prefer putting Sol battles ahead of another alliance's battles, of course, but we cannot force a nation to do anything. We would not take that freedom from them. It's their level of commitment that defines their membership.
That all being said, there are some that sincerely believe that Sol should coordinate more with EDEN. I do not begrudgingly admit to anyone that the idea that working with another alliance is a good idea. This is not the issue. The fact remains that by doing so, you pull the entire alliance along with it, which includes nations that may not wish to have much part in the process, especially neutral Bolivia, Singapore, and Malaysia. EDEN-Sol coordination has been working quite well on a nation-by-nation basis. China has their own relationship with EDEN command, the Philippines have their relationship with the US and Poland, Israel hangs out with Greece, Australia continues to fight afar with MPPs and accept mobile troops to fight Argentina and Brazil, and South Africa coordinated with EMC/EDEN Command to free their regions from Brazilian hands. By taking those relationships away and replacing them with Alliance-to-Alliance relationships, the connection decreases. It becomes not about “defending South Africa”, but instead it becomes “Defending a whole slew of nations”, as if we all need help. Granted, a majority of us are small and willingly accept all help, but why should we force affiliation and unwanted assistance on those that exist through diplomatic means or have geographical advantages that isolate them from face-to-face conflict?
I hope that the elections, which have not appointed pro EDEN-Sol coordination candidates, are not seen as discouraging to those nations that work heavily with EDEN. It is not as though the majority does not like working with EDEN; it is that as an alliance, we must remember that we are all individual nations with our own ideas, not one super nation (though I agree that would be cool), that have banded together to protect each other. We are not out to make the decisions of each nation.
Let's get Brazil next time! Viva South Africa!
Hekter
Director of Sol Communications
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1st!!!
Hail Sol and Hail South Africa.
You will be back.
I want to make something clear. Being one of the "not pro EDEN-Sol coordination candidates" for chairman, currently winning in the elections, I want to make it clear that I have nothing against working with EDEN to help free our country's regions.
I think that our military leaders should be in touch with anyone who is able and willing to give help, including anyone from EDEN, Phoenix, or Entantel. Obviously a lot of us are fighting Phoenix so EDEN help is most likely, and if EDEN offers us help we will not refuse it.
The point here that I disagree with Sir Valaro Volcrum (the "Pro-EDEN"😉 candidate about is the idea that Phoenix is Sol's enemy and EDEN should be our ally. While I will fight off anyone who occupies or invades a Sol nation, and accept help from anyone who offers it, I will not declare an allegiance with one alliance over another. Whoever is attacking us today is our enemy today, whoever attacks us tomorrow is our enemy tomorrow, but when the battle is over and our regions back in our hands, we will not begrudge the country or alliance for what it has done in the past. In the same vein, whoever helps us today is our friend, but we will never give up an ounce of our sovereignty for temporary assistance in a fight that we will eventually win.
the difference is that Phoenix doesnt care about the soverenty of Sol where as EDEN does and will make deals (see Karnataka and how the USA pays India to lease it)
"the difference is that Phoenix doesnt care about the soverenty of Sol where as EDEN does and will make deals (see Karnataka and how the USA pays India to lease it)"
But USA promised that they GAVE BACK Karnata.
So USA is a liar.😃
Exactly, Tim. It's not about whether or not we like working with EDEN, it's just the fact that we don't believe that the alliance should be affiliated when it's supposed to be a neutral body. The nations in the alliance are free to hang out with EDEN as much as they would like 🙂
I'm sure many echinese wouldn't mind hungary keeping heilongjiang as long as they pay us the lease, like america did with india.
Fair article 🙂
Sol is not a sub alliance of EDEN and should not be .
A bipolar world sucks ..an option (albeit mainly regional) must exist .
Hail EDEN.
Hail Sol .
@Tiger China has repeatedly tried negotiations only to be invaded after every semblance of an agreement. I cannot blame them for being fed up, though I do agree a rental situation would be much better for everyone.
"Karnata"
wasn't the original goals of Sol to protect the southern asian region? (including South Africa, as at the time they kinda were in the sphere of Indonesia)
Hekter, another of one of the goals of Sol is the protection of member nations. There is no question the preemptive strike by Australia was for defense of Australia, a member nation of Sol (not to mention another member, South Africa) yet Sol doesn't send troops, nor delay its wargames
its time you pull your finger out and actually make it an alliance worth being apart of, cos if it were my decision, Australia would be out of Sol in a heartbeat
apart from china, <3 china
Sol has sent its troops--every active Sol nation and Japan, who's loosely affiliated, have done so. I've also already addressed the wargame issue in a previous article: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/sol-wargames-and-australia-1241117/1/20" target="_blank">http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/sol-[..]/1/20
China was so great in that battle.
In all seriousness though a Sol nation has been wiped out, if there was ever a time for the nations of Sol to unite and fight it would be right now. If Sol nations cannot/willnot mobilize their forces to help take back South Africa then there is NO point being in this alliance. If we don't look after each other then there is no alliance.
I don't think Sol will ever be "fixed" or "pull their finger out" until the people at the top of the alliance are replaced or give up the reins to people who are actually relevent to the power structure of the member nations.
the wargame issue, if its not apart of Sol then that is one less thing Sol has going for it. What benefits do members of Sol exactly have?
and as for Sol fighting for Australia, did they really Hekter? apart from China and Japan, the rest of Sol did basically nothing in the battle for KZN, http://ereptools.net/battles/defendingCountries/id/9444" target="_blank">http://ereptools.net/battles/defendingCo[..]/9444 when the wargames were on. What side are Sol on anyway?
It gets very frustrating, when you think you have an alliance on your side watching your back, then read the battle stats and see that all the talk of being a defensive alliance didn't match the actions of its members.
Sol Currently Includes:
Thailand
Isreal
South Africa
Australia
Bolivia
Singapore
Malaysia
Philipines
and China.
Obviously, Australia, and South Africa fought hard and you gave credit to China and ex-Sol Japan.
Malaysia only did 5k less damage than Japan did, and only deployed 1/4th the number of Soldiers, implying that Malaysians probably spent a lot more money on the deployment. Singapore did 5k damage, which isn't much, but considering that PTOers won 6 out of the 10 congressional seats, in the election, and that we are a single region with only around 80 active population, it's something.
Thailand is even smaller and poorer than Singapore is, and doesn't have any sort of organized, deployable military as far as I know, and the Philippines don't either.
I don't know what Isreal or Bolivia were doing, to be fair, but they're both very new to Sol and will hopefully help more in the future.
Now that it looks like I'm Sol Chairman, I'll be talking to Liquid Oxygen and making sure that SolDiers have funding to deploy to Australia, and, unrelatedly, I'll be sure to make sure Singapore's military has better funding and more people sent to help out.
Hopefully this upcoming month will bring much more organization amoung member militaries, a growth for the infant SolDiers program, and the development of an ATO team for Sol nations. (I know that smaller countries like Thailand and Singapore benefit more from an ATO team, but if Australia would need it, they'd help out.)
I'm sorry if we cannot pick up all of our citizens and move them all--from personal experience our ePh troops were deployed in China at the time, and then Mindanao came under attack with non-100% certainty of Polish support during key hours for native players to fight. Not to mention Malay/Sing/Phil have been fighting Serb PTOs, so it's not like we can also bring our home forces along, who are often congressmen due to low populations.
Look, Aus can do what it wants, but Sol does what it can for its members. At least have some respect for the effort. We all have our difficulties, and military deployment is something that small countries struggle with, no matter where they are.
Hmmm, you realise that most of the sol nations are >1000 members, so we apologise we can't put out the damage which mighty eden does, but realistically I think your concerns are unwarranted. Because there is no practical way we can post the damage of the usually larger eden nations, and its kind of unrealistic to think we can. Oh and Sol nations do send their militaries, however I received no word of this attack from australia a pm in my in box would have been nice, because then I could have set things in motion too.
I'm sorry if we cannot pick up all of our citizens and move them all--from personal experience our ePh troops were deployed in China at the time, and then Mindanao came under attack with non-100% certainty of Polish support during key hours for native players to fight. Not to mention Malay/Sing/Phil have been fighting Serb PTOs, so it's not like we can also bring our home forces along, who are often congressmen due to low populations.
Look, Aus can do what it wants, but Sol does what it can for its members. At least have some respect for the effort. We all have our difficulties, and military deployment is something that small countries struggle with, no matter where they are.
😁Err, ePhil does have a military, it was just busy, I mean.
😃
I meant < 1000 and thats what you get for posting early in the morning 🙁
I tend to agree with the above. Sure, Sol weren't fighting for Australia (with some exceptions, like the second highest damage on our side was done by a Japanese tank), but I think we Australians should remember that Indonesia is tying down the Philipino and malay armies, and that we are all fighting against SOMEONE. We are the smaller nations in the game, and sure, we are an alliance, and we need to stick up for one another, but one member is not more important than the others.
As for the war games sapping strength, maybe a possible solution is that the moment another Sol battle opens up, the philipines (I believe they do the attacking) retreats. Idk, maybe you've already considered it, but just in case you haven't 😛
Actually, patti, last I checked, Sol or Sol friendly nations took 2 of the top ten spots for damage in defense of KZN. I've sent who I could spare from the fledgling SolDiers to help out with what we can, but you have to realize that we don't have the luxury of scads of recruits to throw into the system, like the larger nations do. We get by with what we can.
well in fact, I'm from Chinese Mobile Force. You could count me as well.
Sol is the smallest alliances but we in Malaysia happy to be part with this alliances.
It never mind whether we are weaker,but the most important things is to unite and help with each other.
The cooperation with EDEN is still good in term of achieving the goals but we should not cooperate with them in military because it might attract dangerous to this neutral alliances.
Check also the RW in KwaZulu Natal. Too many wasted damages there.
19,486 on attacker side
231,586 on defend side.
We, thailand, have a very small military which we deployed and supplied. Between the two wars, the RW being one of them (which we were told to fight in) we had 11 fighters, and only did about 10k damage less than China with about 95 fewer fighters.
So don't say no one did anything or didn't send aide, you're were looking for an excuse to leave, don't try to pass it off as a betrayal of interests, it's insulting.
Funny
Did you known.. just like Phoenix is seem as the bad guy in the Eastern side of the hemisphere, EDEN are the "bay eaters" of the western world [Pero TO, Polish invasion, Taco Bell, French toats all versions, etc.]. ALA is regarded as pro-Phoenix just like Sol is view as Pro-EDEN [even Bolivia, the black sheep of South America, is with you].
As for propaganda, let's just say EDEN defend your resouces only because they try to take it by force from the countries at Europe and America.. and look! The same "bad guy" Brazil, invader of Australia and Africa, is the guy considered the defender of the South America against the Spanish, Polish and Americans..
Funny isn't?
>"and as for Sol fighting for Australia, did they really Hekter? apart from China and Japan, the rest of Sol did basically nothing in the battle for KZN"
As has been said before by others, Sol countries aren't big. We aren't rich, and we can't send tanks to do massive damage.
Thailand's military is still under construction, but we did deploy and fight in both KZN battles. We did the 7th most dmg in the RW, and the 13th most in the Brazilian attack. Given our size, I'm not sure we could do much more. Just because all of individual nations did not do as much damage is not the point. Every Sol nation sent some troops, and the combined damage was quite good, if not good enough.
Sol (not including Australia) did a total of 190,231 dmg (compared to the USA's, Romania's, and Poland's COMBINED 217,022 dmg) in the Brazilian attack, and a total of 50,688 dmg (Almost twice was the USA did) in the RW.
We came to help our allies. Yes we lost, but we'll be back next time as well. You can't ask the impossible of us, and it is rather unfair for us to be criticized when you look at the numbers compared to EDEN's contribution.
Perhaps when SOL quits being so neutral that they will fight for themselves, against the true enemy, I will give SOL credit.
Who has been the biggest enemy of SOL? Indonesia. When the Australians put out (Preemptively) that Indo was planning a strike, you guys threatened to remove Australia. Until they did do exactly what they said (After lying) And attacked. Then you guys really felt like idiots.
Goes to show, that SOL is a big joke.
Times have changed, acg; we recognize that as a mistake, and the original context was that we sincerely believe that negotiations would work between Aus and Indo--we are for peace in the region, after all--and too many us were naive.