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Well could not agree more but you know different characters there are, some people can be proper but temperament, yet some evil people can be sweet-talkers. I dont mind much these arguments between players or parties, they even amuse me 😃.

Yes but people can also just read stuff before arguing about it. I mean I had to point WHS about 10 times to Moomoo's article. He never bothered to read it and then published an article on it and then got pwned in the comment whereupon he released a second proposal planning to attack the constitution. Unfortunately whilst he has been in the ILP this is quite a frequent occurrence and there has been a real spate of articles where the statements was based on faulty or downright lies. I think Colin Fox was also guilty. But it wastes a lot of our time discussing stuff like that. I hope you dont bring Colin Fox as congress member in this month because he also does this crap. Tbh Im certain other parties also does this but cannot think of any of their articles in recent history.

tldr do proper research before attacking anything according to jon stewart that also happened in us parliament where deal with Iran was attacked whilst 2 ppl apparently didnt even study it. it was something like if there is in it what i think is in it...

...and reality is not your strong suit

You have done this too RTK. 😛 You ain't no saint but a cleric.

well then atleast i corrected my article/comment or deleted it. i didn't hammer on and like whs get belligerent about it when ppl threw the facts in my face. reading fails is bad one should try to avoid them. whs had an agenda and was not going to be convinced of anything. you know im always trying to be objective but that round i gave to them. perhaps the next one dc would be in the wrong and then i will give that one too whs.

I agree with you Aoife but I'm playing a lot longer than you. I too tried, as you are now, to reason and just to be quiet to keep the peace but it does not work. What happen is they pick on weaker players and drive them from the game. If no one stand up to them then all you do is feed them weaker and place confident players in the firing line.

Look at the recent discussion on the constitution in our Congress message. Read it. Ask yourself who was first to attack? Who posted the abuse? In all cases it was not me. I did however stand my ground and not be bullied to silence. I learned that this is the olny way over the years

The difference now to say 2-3 years ago is no longer will I let them be left get away with.

I tried the nice way...really I did.

I can't count the players they drove out with abuse of the most vile kind. Funny is now both sets of trolls are united...K*&ts & Krakken...before they drove people out of the game separately now together....anyone who just differed in opinion with them.

I too wrote an article on this ages ago... http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/winston-hope-smith-running-for-country-president-tolerance-2050078/1/20

btw voted up

we didn't bully you we pointed you to correct facts you just refused to accept these facts because it does not suit your false narrative. and this is not the first and this will not be the last time. you attempt to manipulate people and events so that you can then use it backed up by a false narrative to gain sympathy from the voters. u remind me of apartheid politicians boy could they dance circles around interviewers. a interviewer could ask them the sky is blue and they would dance around it. in the end it would be the fault of the opposition that the sky is blue. so please whs stop the con. once or twice was fine but it has become habitual with you.

are you related to Mike Huckabee? Both of you are delusion and know no debt to the level of comments you will use to try make your case.

Oh btw Aoife the first comment in that article I posted was from MUFC using his old account...not know for tolerance is our dictator

all i see when you post these days is :_( :_( :_( :_( butthurt butthurt butthurt me me me me .

Don't argue please. My article was not made to get anyone fighting.

In the spirit of your article Aoife I won't rebut (see what I did there 🙂 )

I did xD hhahahaha

Aoife you're still in the grace period where you haven't been delineated a side. Those were my best years.
In time you will be branded with a side by it's opponents when you opinions do not congrue with perceived expectations. Regardless of who you've worked with or what you've achieved, those will be used as leverage against you in ways you haven't yet conceived.
Years of your accumulated work will be lost in single 'accident' which reoccurs everytime eIreland's future brightens.
Nothing you say will be perceived as anything but partisan politics even if you're laissez faire natured.

orc!

A nice plea for peace. But you'll come to adjust or reject this place the way it is. To say a few years ago that this place was in a civil war would be an understatement. Anyone that played then and plays now understands that full peace is unrealistic at this point.

We have a month or two of peace when we're lucky. Usually certain individuals aren't in the nation tbh when those periods come around. Else despite our differences, we're usually able to talk to one another with respect. But with those individuals around, we're screwed for peace. They always have to do more than argue, but have to revert to personal insults. It's usually there when the serious fighting occurs.

lol

May the peace be with you Aoife.

Voted for peace and respect. I'll throw in a bit of tolerance too.

I agree it can be difficult to see who might be at fault, who is the bully or the bullied. I rarely take sides for this reason. I also see that often both sides have a point and so what can I do but agree with them both?

Going back briefly to the bullying aspect. If someone feels bullied they usually react aggressively and "give as good as they get" or say nothing. The easier and initially healthier of the two things is to be aggressive back. You are focusing outwards and someone else is to blame. You are standing up for yourself. You are less likely to have your ego squashed this way, but in the long term it is not good for the person or the community they are in. You need to reflect on the situation. Was the person bullying me, or were they just right, and able to prove it, and that makes me feel a little smaller? So, here on the internet it is easy to be abusive from behind the keyboard, but it is also easier to go away and reflect before commenting. This opportunity is not always available in real life. Take that opportunity go away from the keyboard and reflect. Sometimes even just admitting to yourself that you might have been wrong and giving the other person the benefit of the doubt (not assuming they are a bully) will make you feel a lot better. I am not saying you have to admit it to everyone. I also expect that decent people won't push it looking for someone to admit they were wrong. Anyway I have strayed off the short point I initially wanted to make.

Really nicely put, Crosseye 🙂

Good points...when I am wrong, and I am sometimes, I like to think I admit it and apologise.

When I'm not I don't

If standing up to bullies is not the way I'm open to other suggestions...

I have no glib quip easy one-line easy answers to that. Every situation is different. I might move this to a PM discussion

Good article, well said.

Be careful of this one Aoife...

'Tis a nice thought, Aoife, and one I had when I started the game and dipped my toe into the political side. Ireland is, and was, a small country, so logic said that the way to progress the country was to use the available talent, regardless of political beliefs (obviously the correct way was the left way). Sadly that view was not held by a few of the more vocal players, most of whom (though not all) are now either dormant or have left, and was treated as a sign of weakness.

We did try to run the country through a panel of players from several parties, though that failed for various reasons. Much like Winston, over time it became apparent things weren't going to change, so there was little point continuing to be patient, hence a gradual lack of interest in the game itself, not helped by some of the frankly stupid changes the admins have made.

eIreland has always been plagued with in-fighting. It wouldn't be eIreland if there wasn't. It has been characteristic since.....well since 2010 when I started playing. Only gotten worse from 2011+. The ILP was a strong force against bullying, we were ruthlessly trolled and bullied for a long-long time (years), and then once you "fight back" the bullies would turn around and say "look! what an aggressor, can't we just have peace?" while privately sending messages to "kill yourself" and giving us all sorts of names and for me particularly often would make fun of the fact that I grew up with an abusive father. They dug this up back when I went on IRC, I was quite a bit younger, more open to sharing my personal life, and they not only manipulated me into telling such details but then used those details to later make fun of me.

People here can say whatever they want about the ILP, but we've never lowered ourselves to telling people to kill themselves, get raped, using RL personal details to humiliate and torment others, relentlessly trolled individual players into quitting the game, or anything of that level of severity.

All my calls for cooperation and peace have been met with ridicule and silence. When the bullies call for it - it becomes forgetting the damage that has been done by *them*. I do not put in much hope for internal peace and cooperation in eIreland.