let's talk about BH theft
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by Chalco Hills
I'm tired of people complaining about their BH almost every time I try to fight in any battle. There is always someone who thinks you are robbing them.
If one side is ahead a little bit in the overall campaign score, they think it is "lost", so no one should try to outscore them.
If one side is ahead significantly in the round, they think it is lost (even though, in truth, a round is never really lost until it is over) so no one should try to outscore them.
For some people, by their definition, the first person to score any damage in any round is entitled to the BH gold for that round ... at least if that person was them.
Here is my definition of real BH stealing ... and it happens to me all the time:
1) The leader has significant damage already (in D3 around these days, say 10-12 million at least).
AND
That side is already winning the round
OR that side is losing badly and the "thief" comes in without nearly enough damage to change the outcome
AND the round is mostly over ... say past the 1:10-1:15 mark or so if it's completely one-sided (would end at 1:30)
AND the thief does only just enough damage to slide into first place. (If I'm offline when it happens they often do one hit extra damage.)
AND there was no CO on our side that you were earning.
I don't think I've ever once complained about a BH thief, even when they were obviously thieving, but I promise you
- I'm never going to complain if you pass me and I had weak damage in the first place.
- I'm never going to complain if you turned the bar past 50% ... even if we are losing the campaign.
- I'm never going to complain if you double my damage.
But I'm not nearly the BH hound that many people are. Personally I'm more likely to chase CO cash (harder to find than it was once) if I'm being a merc, just to avoid the BH drama if nothing else. So, I'd love to see a discussion by some of the BH hunters on trying to agree about solid conditions to define when someone is or is not "stealing" a BH. Please give your views below. "Whenever I say it is" isn't really a legit answer in my opinion, but I think that's pretty much the case for many.
I want to see a serious effort at a definition - because I do want to respect other players (even though BH hunting tends to annoy me and I hate that game mechanic in general, see: http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-i-hate-battle-hero-rewards--2564176/1/20 ) but I often think the complaining is without real good reason. If the vast majority of the player community can agree on solid conditions, I would try to abide by them.
I also think I'm going to start sending a link to this article whenever someone complains to me, so maybe the comments will mostly be filled by people hating on me.
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published in my old stomping grounds of Ireland since I'm writing in English, but I hope to get input from all over
Only time it bothers me is when you are fighting to help some other country and one of there citizens passes you at the end. I think when it is your country and you are shouting out for others to help you, you should not be passing people tring to help you. I got one last night at 1/10th damage I normally have to do, they are my favorate.
It is worse in d1, where strength difference is bigger. Today I wanted to celebratemy 80k strength so I was gonna try a BH. I started at minute 1:30. The same guy had over 6kk in both sides so... xDDD
Without packs it has become impossible in low divs despite having a decent strength.
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- I'm never going to complain if you turned the bar past 50% ... even if we are losing the campaign.
except that one i completely agree. i think it is related to how badly we are losing as you stated. I try not to complain either as i am not in a full hunter mode lately. But considering my strenght and d1 average people can do that ''stealing' thing anytime they want because there are extreme numbers of 80-120k str guys in div 1. What i really believe is there is no such thing as stealing. whoever hits more gets it is the only mechanical rule of this game and that is a bit cruel.
I know most d1 players active ones who chase BHs and they are mostly respectful. I am too otherwise it would be impossible for me to get this many bhs with this shitty strenght i think. Yet stealing might cost less in most cases. I just don't do it. But yes people are very annoying.
COPIED FROM MY PROFILE:
About me
I do not care about your BH!!! If I am fighting to push the wall or fighting for my country or allies I keep fighting. If you want the BH, do more damage than me. I do not care. If a BH helps stroke your ego, by all means go for it. You and your e-penis are sad if you whine about a BH.
totally agreed.
and i especially like the ones that email me saying that they will get even with me and that i should watch my back.
i have been living in fear since that last email.
here is your input from all over:
We think that your article is (expletives deleted) !
I *hate* thieving BH's.
You've pretty much got the definition nailed down, but I should ad😛
In meaningless battles (where one side is very obviously going to win the campaign, or a training war) I *always* hit at the start of the round. If I've dealt 75 million or more within the first five minutes, that is *my* BH and there are always 15+ other battles going on to fight in. Usually you don't have to wait more than 15 minutes for a new round to start somewhere, so hold your f*cking damage and fight somewhere else.
The only exception I make to this is if someone sends me a message beforehand and lets me know that they want the BH. Especially in D4 it is tough to get them, and I'm not a total a$$hole so I'll let it go no problem.
But this game treats us poorly enough as it is, we should not disrespect each other as players. Tjhe Admins are disrespectful enough 😃 😃 😃
This changes nothing. I'm still going to steal your BH
beyler 🙁
"Usually you don't have to wait more than 15 minutes for a new round to start somewhere, so hold your f*cking damage and fight somewhere else."
So, per your definition, even in the first 5 minutes of a round, the BH can be claimed as yours. Also, you seem to think that any battle is the same as any other, except for BH implications. But to me, when my own eNation or an ally is involved, those are the battles where I should be trying to help most of the time. It's hard for me to accept that I should just move on, even only 5 minutes in, because someone else already did some damage.
Also, I think we would have to agree on what constitutes a "meaningless" battle, and I find I frequently don't agree about that. If the weaker side just roles over to die, we may as well not bother having battles in the first place. Even when losing a round or even a battle, causing the enemy to expend more resources at least leaves them with less resources for the next round, next battle, or another current war.
" If the weaker side just roles over to die, we may as well not bother having battles in the first place"
There isn't usually the intent to just roll over and die, but the reality is that most campaigns end 93-20 or greater. Am I wrong?
"causing the enemy to expend more resources..."
It also leaves you with less resources, and since this game allows people to refill their resources with a credit card or hitting the "work" button, that whole argument isn't really applicable.
Most battles these days are pretty much the same as every other battle. How many EPIC are there? How many remain as "cold war"?
And I should say that if two people start fighting at the same time at the start of the round, then the person who stops fighting and lets it go deserves a "high five" and 0.69 gold for being a good sport.
I've been BH hunting in div 3 for quite a while. There is always that question of having to pay for your packs and it seems the common consensus is you should respect other peoples BH as they respect yours.
Some people do get butthurt when you do more damage then them and yes there are still some people who steal BH's no matter who's concerned but i think that its fairly few people.
I think some people do get pissed cause they aren't normally BH stealers themselves, seen a few such comment from Lazocrats ( amongst others ) I dont steal their BH and so far they dont steal mine either. But its really a question of when and where. Avoid MPP battles and go for FF medals, usually easier to get BH's that way.
It's just so boring. No real fights. Every single battle is just one of the same small group of people camped on either side (or often both) for 2 hrs. It's very common for not even 5 people to fight in D2 during a whole battle.
I hear the excuse often that it's how you earn money in lower divs, but what are people using that money for? The guys that fight hard are usually different to the guys that camp every BH, with the latter apparently just hoarding all day, every day.
Like I said. It's boring.
Most of them use the gold to buy the cc to pay for the packs to do the dmg to get the gold. This cycle continues for as long as they can maintain to eLive under such conditions.
Yeah, and the problem with that is when they completely focus on that, it becomes an individual game where no one cares about anything but BH ... so ...what instead of being about war it's like a gladiator game but where the gladiators don't actually fight each other but have a contest to see who can knock over the most target dummies, and whine if someone else wins because they think it is disrespectful to beat them. So ... yeah ... boring.
It's just so boring. No real fights x2
You scroll through the battles for somewhere interesting to fight and in virtually every one you see the same people at the top with 5/6 mill 'owning' a BH, if you overhit them they send you a series of stupid messages on how they will take revenge upon you for the rest of there elives. Boring as f*ck.
All you do in division one with high strength is interfere with other people farming gold.
there is no such thing like bh stealer. bh is given to the person with the highest amount of damage in battle. who are you to state "this bh is mine!" when the battle is not over yet?
so anyone out there see me doing big damage from the beginning of battle, fell free to race me if you like to. anyone with the same or higher level/strength/rank than me and already doing some damage, be prepare cause maybe i wanna race with you. adrenaline is one of several things that make me still playing this cursed game. 😃
to the whiner? what can i do? whiner gonna whine, right. 😉
Go Home, Mahomax!
not until i spank some pantat.
we can't steal something you don't already own.
If their dmg would not impact the result of the round then they are only doing it to take the medal from you.
^I consider that stealing. I've never threatened anyone about it. But I usually send them a msg warning them that they will get griefed for doing that.
Also, when I win a round for another nation, but some native ganks the medal off me with meaningless dmg.... RUDE
If they knock me off when their side was below 50%, no problem. If they knock me off when the battle was already won ... yeah, pretty cheesy. Also one of my favorites is when you are helping an ally, and their own people can't do anything to help the battle, but they can find enormous reserves of energy or bombs to beat you for a BH.
A new player with their training ground at level 4 can earn a maximum of 33,507 strength per year by training every day and receiving the extra 5 points of strength every 5 days, but at the same time the new player can't compete with an older player who just buys packs to retain his experience and stays in the same division forever gaining more strength than a new player could, since these packs help them to participate in the weekly challenges earning more PP who can be exchanged for more strength in a week. Players like albo91 (http://www.erepublik.com/en/citizen/profile/7505436), for example, are nearly impossible to beat. They sit in lower divisions with incredibly high strength for that division, and so they always win the BHs and the gold for these medals. Players who do this ruin the game.
Congrats you are one of these players.
the OP has less strength than you and is in d3 😛
It's not been an issue for me since I hit div 4 (probably div 3!), but I can understand how annoying it is. If you're fighting to turn the wall, or even close the gap, who gets the BH shouldn't even be a question, as you're fighting for that country. I'm more irritated by players who do damage on both sides in low key battles to try and win both battle heroes. I find that fairly contemptible.
In a way I don't have a problem with someone who tries to get BH on both sides in a sleepy battle, but it also seems like they shouldn't complain much when someone else shows up to do some damage on one side.
yes, ppl who take both sides for gold and then lose one side to national dmg should not think they have the right to complain about national dmg that comes to turn the wall.
TemujinBC:
"It also leaves you with less resources"
Realistically, often I'm hitting now because I'm online now, and I won't be online a couple of hours later, so I either use my energy for something now, or maybe it goes to waste.
"and since this game allows people to refill their resources with a credit card or hitting the "work" button, that whole argument isn't really applicable."
"Most battles these days are pretty much the same as every other battle."
Sure, but to me, those sound more like arguments to walk away from the game entirely, rather than a reason to avoid exceeding somene else's damage. If the battles don't matter, in the end why does it matter to get BH to pay for CC to pay for packs to play the game more?
Of course, maybe it's people like me (who think that wars and strategy ought to be more interesting than BH hunting) who are in the wrong game. It isn't really the game I thought I was joining 3+ years ago.
People steal BHs by putting down the most damage in a battle? Sneaky bastards!
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