Dictator - My Thoughts
Israel Stevens
As of this writing, there are 17 or so hours left in the Dictator Law voting that is going through Congress. As a Congressman, I have a decision to make. The problem is, I have no idea how I want to vote.
Here’s how I see it.
Pros of installing the PotUS as Dictator
The United States has always been about strong game mechanics. We do them better than almost anyone else in the game. Some of the best mechanical players in the world have called eUS home. Creating a Dictator is mechanically smart. It prevents other countries from starting a Civil War.
With the Civil War only having a 3 hour announcement period, it is very possible that a foreign power could start one while the majority of the United States is asleep. Anyone that was around for a wipe of the US, remembers waking up to battles that were already lost. This could be the same for a Coup attempt. By the time we wake up, we’re down 30 points. And then it’s off to work and school… not ideal timing to defend.
You can say that Unity was awful, but mechanically it was perfect. We were never fully PTO’d. It worked. It just sucked. Oftentimes taking the best road mechanically isn’t popular or pretty. It’s why we generally avoid open war with Serbia. It might be fun, but we’d get stomped on.
The mechanics of Civil Wars is a huge reason to consider supporting a Dictator. Anyone that thinks it isn’t, doesn’t understand the game mechanics behind it.
Cons of installing the PotUS as Dictator
Congressional activity.
It’s not just about the activity of the Congress boards. But the whole process leading up to Congress. The organizing of people, the deals between 6th and Top 5 parties, the voting in primaries. All of that would be diminished, because although we would still elect people, Congress’ role would not be as prominent.
There is also the 25th to consider. If Congress is a lame duck, then even fewer people are going to turn out to vote. This could potentially leave us vulnerable to unsavory Congressmen getting in.
Case in point: load up a party with enemies running for Congress. On the 25th, flood that party with muli-votes. With the reduced voting all around, there’s a better chance that the unsavory people (far down) on the ballot get it.
Remote chance?
Absolutely.
But we’re a strong mechanical country, and we generally don’t leave ourselves open like that.
I am also concerned about what happens if we get a bad PotUS. One that disappears, or decides they don’t want to give up the Dictatorship. They would have an awful lot of control, and fewer checks placed against them.
Or, if they decide to give the Presidency to someone else.
People get upset in this game all the time. Who’s to say that a PotUS doesn’t get pissed off and hand the country over to Ajay?
Yes, they could be taken out in a Revolution followed by Impeachment, but that takes time. And if we’re looking at an enemy in the Oval Office, we don’t have a lot of time.
As it stands now, the President can’t resign except for the 6 hours of vote checking (I think? Little hazy on my CP mechanics.) And if they’re impeached, it goes to the next person in line.
The President can’t just give someone the Presidency, like you can with a Dictator.
The Immigration is another issue for me.
Imagine 2011 Oblige having citizenship passes.
shudders
Yeah… that’s not good.
I still don’t know where I stand. It felt good to write about it though. The one Pro, is a massive one. And the Cons are smaller issues for me. But together, I feel like they balance it out.
Leave a comment if you want to try and sway me, I’ll gladly listen. But I’m not reading pages of comments when you people start arguing with each other.
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Comments
i think you sum it up quite well. We have always been mechanically strong. This module is horrible for the eUS. It has succeeded in taking a community and fracturing it worse than when we split out the eUS Mil.
I have no real advice for you IS other than go with the side you feel gives the eUS the best chance.
Also, the dictator can not edit the welcome letter. The Latest Updates make a big deal of that.
Another problem with a dictator that goes rogue is the fact that he can take out the CBO and keep an income daily. If we lose the bigger part of the CBO we will be left with a small amount of money to go against him while he may sit on 10 million CC. That is enough to throw up some pretty big stacks of COs against the revolution attempt.
If he is smart he will also not show that he is about to go rogue directly and with that place himself as the leader of eUS in our allies eyes as he represents our nation in meetings. It could lead to a problem with allies fighting against the revolution if he calls them and claim there is an illegal revolution attempt. If he plans it along with other key figures of eUS they are quite likely to believe him and help.
If this player also has strong military support from leading a private MU then he will have both the two clickers of USAF and most likely a huge support of the private MU. Some may leave sure, but not all.
Combine all these factors together and we might look at a dictator that will be impossible to remove from his position as he will just keep on financing defense whenever an attempt to remove him starts.
Says the guy that was part of a failed eUS coup.
http://eusaforums.com/forum/index.php/topic,34201.0.html
Didn't read the thread, but his points seem to be valid.
Sorry, Deep. Any evidence from that arena is unacceptable, unless they can recover all the stuff lost during the 'migration' to the new server; the support coming from there is null and void.
Beside logs can be altered.
Seriously Franklin?
From what I see ST6 did not participate and fought against it. From what I see I did not do a single hit against eUS either.
Anyhow, I do fail to see how it would be relevant to what I just wrote?
@Chill
Do you believe they followed their on laws or simply changed or voted them out as it suited them?
Not following their own laws makes them untrustworthy.
If they are untrustworthy why would I believe their evidence?
If they are untrustworthy why would I trust them to be Dictator?
Trust is a real world belief that is sadly lacking in this game.
The system works perfectly?
What about Ajay, Chicken Guys and Free Area? They were all endorsed through that system.
The vote has become way more politically-based than dictatorship-based.
It's obvious that the USWP and most of the Feds' and AMP congressmen are supporting the Dictatorship law which Congress passed over the weekend. Therefore, the repeal stands no chance.
If you want a proper discussion, do it outside of Congress' boundaries. Still, it's unlikely that you'll get a non-partisan replies though.
People think that we will be able to stop a foreign Civil War. Today we faced two Resistance Wars supported by Hungary - one from Slovakia, and one from the Czech Republic. We lost them both. Therefore, I prefer us to spend 200k today and not risk spending 5 Mio. tomorrow on defending a Civil War which has started in the early hours of the American Day.
I slightly disagree with some of the cons, though. Not with the scenarios by themselves, but with the likelihood of having rogue CP/Dictator. Currently the eUS has a double digit amount of people who are ready to take the PotUS role, only if they ran. And I'm talking for people who haven't been PotUS in the past.
About Congress - just look at its state at the moment. Do you really think it can get weaker than that? I don't. Worst case scenario, Congress will get stronger and we will actually get a proper opposition which isn't only looking to get easy votes.
Therein lays the problem, they simply don't have the money in the Reserve they claim is there; 200K is easy to come up with -15-20 Mill CC isn't so much....
Who doesn't have the money in the Reserve? I know of at least 2-3 individuals with 20 million in their possession.
Then I don't see the problem here, we have the armed forces, we have the CC; we have the FA and American Citizens have the will to Stand Fast, People.
Problem is our leaders are turning tail....STAND FAST!
\o/...well said IS....
This is a very fair summary of the fundamental pros and cons.
"Congress’ role would not be as prominent."
I don't understand this. Under the new law congress retains all its powers. Under the new mechanics, elections take place as usual with the exception that you don't get 5 gold. How does that mean the role will not be as prominent?
They will have no administrative tools. They will have to beg people who, obviously, don't care what they think. .
Not beg, execute their lawful right. They can order the dictator around as much as they like in decisions that belong to the congress.
I shouldn't be surprised that you don't understand. It's your modus operandi.
I had a great iNCi comeback, but I think you are a minor now, so I won't bother trolling you. Let me know when you are old enough to vote IRL.
You said that they can order the dictator around.
Do you even know what a dictator is?
The Dictator is dependent on the MU support. I guess that you assume that we'll elect a dictator who won't take into consideration meta-congress. In the unlikely scenario of this happening, this equals a political suicide. Only a PTOer wouldn't be bothered by such consequences, and the risk of electing a PTOer for Dictator is the same of electing a PTOer for PotUS.
What other issues with having a dictator do you have, GoTJ? Maybe that none of the opposition (BSP+SFP+Others) are eligible to become a nation leader? Maybe you guys should start working on that *wink*
Those guys just attempted to violently overthrow the government.
You expect me to believe they would be punished if they didn't listen to me.
I know what the dictator is in this game: a button pusher.
I know what duties the button pusher will have if he/she is elevated to that position by our congress: do as he/she is told in congressional matters.
"While the President and Congressmen don’t officially lose their positions, they are powerless as long as the Dictator is ruling the country. The Congressmen and the President cannot propose or vote any laws, or give out citizenships. The President also loses all the control in wars, campaigns etc. In short, their roles and positions are purely cosmetic."
Kemal; where do you get your logic?
Read the game update: http://www.erepublik.com/en/main/ga_track/latest-updates
The law we passed in congress.
I'm done!
It's like talking to a recording, with you
It's a dictator
I doesn't matter what laws you write. You won't be calling the shots
The laws aren't going to change how the game mechanics work.
No matter how muck legislation the you enact.
Yeah, that's why we will take down any dictator who doesn't do as he is told by the meta-congress in congress related game-mechanical decisions.
Seriously Kemal; "Take the dictator out with your meta-game legislation."
Your delusional. You know that, right?
Once again Kemal you have proven you care all about yourself and the 'Power Cabal' and think that Americans are ignorant, do America a favor and take your totalitarian self back to Cyprus....
http://cdnt.erepublik.net/tWPGha97I-zhY74ObnWYGI6qP5o=/142x142/smart/avatars/Citizens/2009/12/21/8dfef54d717d7858e4eaeb85374ecb83.jpg?4e434085e27ebe5a8142519f059a33fb).jpg
This is the best analyze of Dictatorships I've seen in the US, all the important things are summed up in one article. You're right about all of it.
There's many cons and one strong pro to install domestic Dictator. When this change has been announced I was totally in favour of installing a Dictator, now...not so much.
For the health of whole community it's probably the best not to install a Dictator. Also, installing one doesn't make you 100% safe. If someone is motivated enough to do a Coup in the USA (which I highly doubt) then this group would be able to cash out 400k in two days, half for Revolution and then the other half for their own Coup. You wouldn't be cought sleep, but if this group would be serious and strong enough to take out the whole USA then there's not much difference if you're up or not, they'd do it anyway.
It's kinda different in the smaller countries though, there's a bit less cons and a bit more pros over there.
All in all, hard decision..hopefully democracy is going to survive.
Take care IS o/
There is a 10-day period before a Civil War (Military Coup) may start, after a successful Revolution has ended.
So, even if this someone is fine with spending 400k, he will need to also spend ~10 million cc in COs in the Civil War which is about to start. Provided that we don't start our own Civil War before him 😛
Democracy can't die fast enough.
You are such a poser. Rylde and free is the name of your paper.
LOL!
Just another hater.Take a spot at the back of the line. Dunno why your confused. Im now eylde and free to do what i want.
No confusion, here. Poser!
Change the name of your paper to; Uncle Tom's Cabin.
Israel.. I have a concern I haven't seen anyone bring up.
How is it to be determined Who will carry out the deed, once it's determined that a Coup should be run?
That gaping hole in the Law is how those people took it upon themselves to do it, as soon as doing it was the law.
The law says that the USAF MU shall start the legal Civil War. The PotUS is the Commander of the USAF. The PotUS will be the Dictator. When the PotUS changes, he or she passes the USAF MU to the new PotUS, who then becomes a Dictator as well.
you're absolutely right, The Mike. the law is clear, I don't know how I misread it that way.
READ, VOTED, NO NASTY COMMENT.
I will only say this: The reason that many who are involved in military activities favor this is simple: Money.... if we are ganged upon and defeated (it has happened, we have been there, done that) we would be squeezed financially that only many VISA cards could save us. This law makes it more difficult for our enemies to do this. It is not complicated, it is about military defense.
Those in favor tend to be of the belief that we have such strong meta-game infrastructure in place, and have so over many years of building it, that we operate our government in a similar way as we do, adapting it to the in-dame functions that "dictator" would force us to use.
It is just that simple. I know we are not usually on the same page with many issues, however, I hope I have given you something to help you consider a NO vote.
o no0z, Admin forbid it be fun.