Can you name all borders of our eCountry?
Mitzuno
Of course you can’t.
South East of England is under occupation for 43 days.
East of England is under occupation for 38 days.
West Midlands is under occupation for 24 days.
Last night I saw that the RW was up, in order to liberate West Midlands. Our original territory. Controlled by Poland.
Checked on official MoD newspaper, no info on this war.
Checked on my MU feed, nothing.
Checked on forum, nada.
In my friends feed someone asked if we are to strike here, or pass. Nobody answered.
I posted a question about this in mass message for Congress, and asked my friends, also my party in order to get more info on this matter.
I was shocked with the answers given to me. General idea was not to hit to liberate our original territory.
Why?
The variety of answers goes from: “The Poles will return that region when they don’t need it anymore”, “That could ruin our foreign affairs”, “Our region will be retaken when our ally have finished with them.”
Continues with: “I don’t believe they’d hold onto our regions for longer than necessary.” “Poland is too strong for us to try and take it by force.”
To end up with: “BigAnt arranged such deal.”, “And would that be the same Sirius that arranges with us to take regions back one at a time - uncontested - meaning that we all get True Patriot, Resistance Hero and BH medals (and the 5 gold that goes with them)?” "atm the government is just a stand in to smooth things over till next elections so i cant see any new wars being done till then also Poland post to be giving up and re taken some lands then they will move there hq which is in w/m England and why they need the chain was in #mod yesterday there soon have something sorted so we can re take all 3"
Is it me or we actually want to sit by without the opportunity to say anything about this deal (I personally think it is a rotten one). I thought that fighting for our country is to fight to have ownership primarily over original regions and then to expand, if possible.
Statistically I know that we are weaker than Poland. Judging by the number of people voting for Congress that number is 400 vs 1600 in favour for Poland. But we are not that small and powerless. Being part of an alliance is important, but at a cost of our original regions?
Georgia wants its original territory back from Poland (RW in West Georgia), Germans are trying to run a war in Lower Saxony and Bremen against Poland. Why shouldn’t we take our own original territory West Midlands?
What is our official (endosed by CP, MoFA, MoD in a separate newspaper article) standing over this issue, should we take our original regions ASAP, through both diplomatic and military means? Or we are too small and insignificant to actually do anything about it?
Am I wrong to be pushing this agenda both publicly and privately? I really need your input on this. Please comment, vote and share.
UPDATE FROM THE MOD!!!
"I want to take this opportunity to assure everyone that I am personally in regular contact with the Polish CP and will announce an RW as soon as one is agreed. It is not unfair or a polish occupation, it is an allied agreement and we will take our regions back as soon as SIRIUS plans allow. Do not panic or be spooked, they are not intending to keep them or hurt us, we can wait a little longer knowing that unlike the Argies & Cannucks, the Poles will return them to us without much fight.
The West Midlands is their capital, so we retain a bridge. Sarandir has assured me he is looking to change this as quickly as possible and we are helping with this. They hold these regions because they have to, not to spite us or steal our bonuses
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Know this; IF IT IS OFFICIAL AND WE CAN WIN IT BACK, I WILL BE THE FIRST TO SHOUT AND POST TO CONGRESS & ALL MU'S!"
Your Congress representative,
Mitzuno
Comments
Dont know much about foreign affairs but yeah something is a bit fishy there.
Every alliance is leaded by a small group of powerful countries, and they mostly decide what happens for everyone in the alliance.
So in Sirius we need agree with Poland take regions from us from time to time. We are still in a better situation than Germany wich is also allied with Poland but Germans have give more land to Poland.
Many "Pro" countries are also forced in deals with the leading countries of the big alliances. Netherlands has choice between be allied and keep few region or be completely wiped.
one thing is to negotiate on occupied extra regions, other thing is using our original region resources. I am thinking if our MoFA need to step up its diplomatic activities
i hope we get them soon back
I'm also not into FA really. But in my opinion, you as a congress member should hit any questions publicly and/or privately.
I don't have a reply from Congress yet. Asked them yesterday.
I think it's wrong to just take regions back without agreement from our main ally. We are a small but important member of Sirius, and it was that alliance which - within the last month - bailed us out when being wiped by Argentina and Canada. To simply attack our alliance ally Poland would be wrong, and would risk us being kicked out of Sirius. Remember, one thing BigAnt did manage to do was run a referendum on our membership of Sirius, and the result was an overwhelming "Yes, we want to be in Sirius".
Also remember that - through arrangement - we have already taken most of our regions back uncontested (and earned the medals and gold that goes with doing so).
However, you're right to question why there hasn't been any movement on taking back the remaining regions for a while. The take-back process definitely seems to have stalled. If I were you, I'd take your concerns directly to government - Congress, MoFA, even direct to the CP - and simply ask the question: when can we take the next region back?
If government approaches Poland and gets a negative response, THEN you can start questioning what's going on. However, until Poland have at least been asked, it's unfair to start having a go at them.
Poland has been slower than usual with the return of our land this time, that is true. But we will get them back, it's just a matter of patience. If we start attacking them willy nilly, then you shall see what it means for the UK to be without allies. We will be wiped from the map, maybe claiming 1 region once in a blue moon. Overall we need to get them returned diplomatically, other forcefully.
This is just another pop at Sirius, we voted to remain in the alliance and ePoland is our best ally, get over it.
We should not launch random unauthorised Rws just because you don't know what's going on.
If it wasn't for ePoland those regions and a lot more would belong to Asteria / Leto.
After taking back our regions for us ePoland needed to hold some of them because of the number of regions they lost when eSerbia had their damage bonus, wars in which a number of, mainly Serbian, eUK citizens fought against our allies. These traitors allowed our enemies to gain footholds in Northern Europe meaning our South coast was / is at risk from Leto / Asteria. Further proof that the selective loyalty, to eUK and Sirius, some eUK citizens display can have serious long term consequences.
ok, you've mentioned my ignorance on the matter. So why aren't we doing anything to inform the eUKrs on a timely manner? Why the official channels are mostly silent in the cases like these? And also, when I say take our regions back, I am not saying solely by military means, what about diplomatic ones?
Sure I can name the borders, I'll call one Cedric, another Gertrude, the next ...
RW war in W.Midlands? - Surely if it's not been approved why is the war open?
Serb PTO'ers trying to get eUK citizens to fight against our allies again?
It seems that we have a serious malfunction in communication. Majority of people don't know about what MoD current orders were at the time. Can we see who started and funded that RW?
Not sure you can see who started it but spending 1k of cc to support a war without Polands approval is 1k cc wasted.
As was explained to you in the feeds you whined in, this isn't an invasion, its planned out, and will be dealt with eventually.
I fear for our country given your a congressman, and yet still didn't know this most basic of facts.
Then you are in luck: I am not the only congressman, therefore I will be silenced by others 😒
As i said in Congress PM:
I want to take this opportunity to assure everyone that I am personally in regular contact with the Polish CP and will announce an RW as soon as one is agreed. It is not unfair or a polish occupation, it is an allied agreement and we will take our regions back as soon as SIRIUS plans allow. Do not panic or be spooked, they are not intending to keep them or hurt us, we can wait a little longer knowing that unlike the Argies & Cannucks, the Poles will return them to us without much fight.
The West Midlands is their capital, so we retain a bridge. Sarandir has assured me he is looking to change this as quickly as possible and we are helping with this. They hold these regions because they have to, not to spite us or steal our bonuses 😛
Know this; IF IT IS OFFICIAL AND WE CAN WIN IT BACK, I WILL BE THE FIRST TO SHOUT AND POST TO CONGRESS & ALL MU'S!
Obviously a TUP plot led by the ebil Pole, Iain Keers and his gang of dastardly Unity Pirates!
Poland did liberate UK at the time, and congrats for that. They let those RW's a bit slow, due to their own problems at the time and it's okay. But, now, I think they're simply overdoing it. Whatever the price is in the name of returning the favour, it's too much.
And vote for the article, of course! 😉
Keeping the Polish Capital linked to all the bonuses and out of West Georgia? I don't think it is too high.
It pays off to Poland, that's for sure. What I was trying to say is that it costs UK too much to return the favour of liberation. Unless there is some money-splitting deal, in that case it's bearable, but any unplanned RW is just a waste.
It is in the best interest of ALL members of an alliance to optimize the resources within each member of the alliance. This means ensuring no resources are going to waste. Yet this is exactly what is happening when we do not have a bridge to London's aluminium.
An alliance recognizes the size/contribution difference of the larger members by allowing them to have MORE bonuses. But it is simply poor play to allow resources to go to waste.
We're already at half of ePoland's resources, it makes no sense that eUK is being denied what is a crumb in ePoland's eyes and a feast for eUK.
We get half bonus from London, it will be full once the Polish Capital is secure