A Non Acceptable Lack of Respect.
Anthony Colby
Hello all. Anthony Colby here. Just to state up front, this is NOT a Community article. Nor is it an article written as my role as Minister of Community, as a member of Congress or as a member of the Cabinet. This is an article written by me as an ordinary citizen of eIreland.
As most of you know ( or should know ) eIreland has entered into an agreement with the eUS for the US to rent to regions of eIreland and then another agreement is up for a vote between the eUS, eIreland, and the eUK for a NAP to go along with the rental agreement between the eUS and eIreland.
However you feel about the current situation, be it in favor or against, that is not what this article is about. It is about the way our community has carried itself in the wake of current events. In my opinion some members of our community have not acted respectfully at all.
First off there have been accusations against CP Bhane that are unwarranted. I have played this game for four plus years, just about four of it here in eIreland. I have known Bhane for most of that time as a employer, fellow TD, fellow Cabinet member and as my CP on three occasions. I have never known Bhane to be anything other than a loyal Irish citizen, respectful of others, truthful and doing his most for eIreland. Currently I am a TD and a Minister in the Cabinet. I read both TD threads and every article and shout I see in order to keep up on current events. What I have read about Bhane really disappoints me. He has been accused of forcing his plan on Ireland then forging the results of the referendum. Other comments of treason and selling out have been thrown about. None of this is true.
First off, Bhane did not come up with the idea for the rental agreement with the eUS. So it is not “his” plan. Secondly Bhane brought the agreement before the Congress. He asked for input after stating that this agreement was not final but that the offer was probably the best we were going to get. He listed pros and cons stating that he was neither for nor against the agreement. He wanted to know what the Dail thought. Well there were comments back and forth as to what TDs thought and a vote to see whether the Dail thought it was a good idea. Bhane did not have to bring this before the Dail. This treaty is not a part of game mechanics. But as any long time player knows these agreements happen all the time. Bhane as CP has the right to negotiate and enact any agreement he feels like that are not regulated via game mechanics. Now if you state that that is “illegal” or “overstepping his bounds” let it be known that all Cabinet positions and state organizations such as the eIrish Bank and the IA are also not part of the game but are created by the players. So to ignore the treaty while agreeing to all other non game player created elements is kind of hypocritical to me.
Bhane then brought the proposed treaty to the citizens to vote upon. Again Bhane did not have to do this. But as this agreement is an issue of such importance Bhane let the citizens decide. NOT the action of a man trying to ram his idea down our throats.’
Well the results of the referendum were 50 in favor to 13 against. 79% of respondents were for this agreement. The people spoke. Now immediately there were calls of fraud. NO proof whatsoever was given. Just people who didn’t like the results I guess. Now like I said for me to hear someone call Bhane a liar and that he faked the results was enough to make me angry. I don’t get angry very often as this is just a game. But to accuse the CP of fraud was enough this time. Especially since Bhane had no reason to fake anything. Bhane did not have to run a referendum at all. No where in eIrish law does it say Bhane had to run a referendum before agreeing to any treaty with another nation. Congress could create such a law via a Constitution but all attempts to do so always are greeted with groans and comments of “non enforceable” and the matter is always dropped. But since there is no such law Bhane could just have agreed to the treaty on his own. He didn’t. His actions show a responsible CP acting in the manner that in this case the citizens thought was best for eIreland. The citizens voted yes. Not Bhane.
I am not commenting on the decision made by the citizens of eIreland nor how individual citizens feel about it. Be it for or against you have that right to feel the way you feel on the subject and I will never tell you you are wrong. I will fight for your right to state your opinion be it in game or real life.
But I won’t agree with the level of disrespect shown for Bhane. Bhane did nothing to deserve this level of antagonism. Not that other CPs have not deserved criticism nor disrespect. But Bhane does not. Bhane brought a proposed issue before the people of eIreland and let them choose what they wanted. If that deserves disrespect then no one in this game deserves any. No one who tries to serve his nation deserves any. No one who does the right thing deserves any.
I am sure there will be many comments on the merits or lack of on the treaty. That is not what this article is about. It is about respect. We can disagree on issues but still respect each other you know. I would hate to think about what we will become if we can’t respect each other while playing a game.
Comments
Agree 100%, this constant fighting within Ireland needs to stop, decent people are being accused wrongly while the real thief's get away scot free.
People need to start acting sensibly and report unacceptable behavior/comments, why let a few ruin the whole gaming experience for the rest of us because they can't twist/manipulate things the way they want.
"this constant fighting within Ireland needs to stop"
After 4-5 years it should stop? Why now? Its been like it is now in eIreland for as long as I can remember, factions fighting it out and using the media to troll and counter-troll. Some stuff aside, like name calling or accusations, I think its healthy in an e-democracy that the opposition have a voice and much better than the kind of cliquey arrangements they have elsewhere were no dissension is tolerated. If the opposition use their position to just troll, that's their loss at the end of the day.
All i ask is a legit referendum where more then one person count votes.
If bhane and colby are such a moral figures they would insist more people control votes.
Aparently if you ask for a fairness and honour fro irish government you are a troll here...
Why don't you do the work Kurgan. Oh yeah. It is work. That would be to much for you. It is far easier to criticize than to do anything constructive for Ireland.
Faking referendum votes and supporting such behaviour is constructive work for you Colby?
Me demanding from irish government to stop with this criminal activities is an actual constructive work.
Fighting for ireland free of crap bhane and other of your orcs a doing for all this time is an actual constructive work...
what youn colby and bhane are doing is actualy against ireland.
A referendum with more vote counters then one....problem colby?
Then why don't YOU do something constructive. You have no proof that Bhane faked anything so why don't you check it out then? Run your own referendum with impartial vote counters like you said Bhane should have. See what you get for results. You won't though because you could be wrong. I don' t think you will take that chance.
yes kurgan has been constructively deconstructing your sanity for years . but as always he is correct and I for one offered to count all the screenshots. But yet again he passed votes to me but atleast we could have made the vote results public giving people an opportunity to cry foul if their votes was not counted.
So Colby did you just admit your entire government is not capable to run a normal referendum?
So you ask from an irish citizen to do your job?
Again...where is the problem in asking fromthis wretched government to run a regular referendum with more vote counters?
No. You CLAIM we can't. If you think we are so inept they why don't YOU try to do better instead of just complaining. Complaining is the easy part. Actually doing something is much harder.
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Grainne....since you are now krakkens best friend surely you are mine also since i am krakens multi...
If bhane is such a boy scout why he no run a legit referendum?
referendum where more then one..more then him count votes?
So i should trust someone who gave minister position to a traitor and thief of ireland?
No sir.....there are no trustworthy humanoids here anymore....
And you colby...minister colby who faked community awards like giving appleman the award even he was not even nominated or declaring seanan a winner for an article of the month by illegaly removing krakken who had nomiantin votes...and you gave seanan article of the month award for his serial articles..not a sinlge article...
So shut up colby...and instead whining empty here try helping bhane running a legit referendum.
80% voted in favour says bhane!
if so much humanoids in ireland voted in favour of that deal then repeat referendum with more vote counters and moderators and prove me wrong!
PROVE ME WRONG ORCS! I DARE YOU!
or maybe you are just too of a coward like orcs are....
Oh shut up already 😒
why you no support legit referendum with more vote controllers?
If someone else was CP I probably wouldn't.
Well then you recognised the right of others not to trust this CP.
And that a wise, moral and simple way would be to run a referendum with more vote counters....
where is a problem mufc? i only ask a referendum that is controlled by more then one humanoid....
The problem is that you just try to find a reason to complain instead of trying to do something actually useful.
Bhane has been long time servant of eIreland, he don't have any interest in faking referendum, I even he hoped more people will vote "no" to avoid this mess you're trying to create for no reason.
He's trying hard, giving 20/24 hours per day for eIreland, last thing he deserve is your constant complaints after all he do...
Can't you just try to be normal??
Appointing traitor for a minister...running a mockery referendum with only him controling the votes?
If bhane had any wisdom and and honour he would not pull such a douche moves...moveshe could easily avoid.
I complain coz you orcs keep doing shit....
1. I'm not Orc; I'm actually one of the biggest fighters against them. It's your problems you call everyone Orc today. We should just change name to Orcland.
2. Bhane is honest and nice guy, that's not good things when you're CP. Especially when there's a mean and bored bastra*d like you who keeps being boring like fu*k instead of doing something which maybe help eIreland.
Yeah right mufc..you are not orc..
you also claim to be croatian patriot in rl and yet it did not stop you to became best friend with people who insulted vukovar victims and all croats in general.
And not all are orcs....but onle orcs here do crimes and treasons
Which one of my best friends insulted Vukovar?
all of orcs mufc...they all supported that filthy statement about vukovar when they called all croats pigs for months after.
And your friends like bhane, Sweet, coleman, seanan never took public distance from statement from their orc cabal
May i remind you sweet was nomnated for a cp by a orc party that was behind vukovar insult.
My friends has never insulted Vukovar, 99% of them don't even know what Vukovar is. I doubt I'd get distance from someone who insult something I never heard of.
keep telling that to yourself...one day you might belive in this delusion of yours...
I hope you do enjoy your retard way to play this game. Noone else is 🙂
What is Vukovar?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Vukovar
My town iRL
I offered you Conway's job, Viktor. If you didn't want him to be minister of stats, the power was in your hands.
You didn't want to do any work for eIreland
No you did ot offered me nothing..especially you did not offered me any minister position.
Can you show me where did you offeredme that job? Maybe i missed that comment or that article you offered me.
And that has nothing to do with you giving minister position to conway who is a traitor and a thief.
I alread have a job as State Prior to judge you and your sins...
Scroll down a bit Kurgan, and I have the evidence that the job was yours for the taking.
Kurgan. PROOVE ME WRONG. JUST GIVE ONE OUNCE OF EVIDENCE FOR ANY OF YOUR ACCUSATIONS OF ANYTHING YOU HAVE EVER SAID. You can't because all your accusations are suppositions and imaginings of someone with little imagination in the first place. Same old accusations that are unprovable since they didn't happen. It is like you asking for proof that Bhane landed on the moon. I can't prove it because it didn't happen.
Bhane has proven himself time and time again as a patriot and honorable man. He has done nothing to prove otherwise. He has even defended you in the past when almost no one else did. For you to accuse him of wrong doing is just mind boggling.
No one will ever be ligit in your mind except you and you will never run for anything since it involves work. Why don't you run a poll to see if Bhane is lying? Why does everyone else have to do all the work? Why don't you do something constructive for a change?
I DARE YOU.
Until then why don't you shut up.
challenge accepted.
bhane gave minister position to conway....same conway who as irish congressman proposed a law that would give a bunch of money to britain.
same conway who deserted IA and joined brits inntheir invasion on ireland.
same conway who had an actual article declaring his treason wide open
and lets not start with theft he took part against ireland.
So a person that honour a proven traitorof ireland with a minister poisition is everything but a honourable or any kind of a partiot.
You say he defended me in the past? FROM WHAT?
I did not betrayed this country, did not steal...defend me from what Colby?
Kurgy need not defence...especially from likes of bhane that support traitors and theifs....
Your turn Colby...prove my facts wrong....if you have a pair...
I offered you Conway's job, Viktor. If you didn't want him to be minister of stats, the power was in your hands.
You didn't want to do any work for eIreland
Viktor... YOU wanted Conway to be in that position. YOU endorsed the man you call traitor.
You proved nothing! lol Same statements about Conway. Blah, Blah. What Conway did is well known. He returned money given to him by a thief. Yes he went to the UK. He fought for the UK. He article made statements that he was angry with the current government. You make those comments all the time. When Conway did it he is a traitor, when you do you are a patriot. Makes sense to me.
There have been many comments in the past about how you go about your witch hunts and attacks. I have heard Bhane say many times that you should keep it up and he hoped you would never stop keeping people accountable. That it kept people in line. Of course that was before the insane attacks on him. Attacks with no basis in reality.
You can say all you want about who ever you want. But accusations need proof. There are two sides to every issue. You are not always correct.
In this case you are wrong.
If you have proof I would support you 100%. All you have are accusations and comments about someone you didn't like getting a Minister position. No proof.
Really? Kurgan endorsed Conway for his Minister position then cried the whole time? LOL Too much.
Vik had the opportunity to oust Conway from the stats position, and he had no motivation to do so. Vik tacitly confirmed Conway
I must have been drunk tha day...
Show me the link where i can find your comment or article you offered me any position in your government.
And wht you mention this only now Bhane?
For how many months is this lasting and never before you mentioned you offered me anything?
Maybe coy its all A LIE?
Me supported Conway?
Sureeeee....
Show some evidences before the last of your reputation goes down to toilet Bhane....
If what you just said its true you would use that from day one...bhane...
My dear Bhane...how low you crawl....and how stupid of you to throw gasoline on fire thinking that will put it out....
You want proof? Here you go...
http://oi41.tinypic.com/mab89h.jpg
Viktor Kurgan - I can provide better survey then Conway.......random org....
Vote 1 Day 2,172, 08:47
Bhane - Vik, if you produce a through, impartial survey on par with the quality we have come to expect from Silpo... I will make you Minister of stats, should i decide to run for a second term (if i even win the first one)
That's going to be my directive to Moo and Conway... pick up the baton where Stilpo left off. if you do it better than them, the job is yours.
Vote 0 Day 2,172, 20:25
You made ZERO effort to create a survey and take the job offered to you.
Don Croata why do you effin change DOD order articles midstream. Defend Shannon should be discussed on its own and we are going to go stircrazy in that thread
Because articles are in the media for 2 days, but battles do not last 2 days. Many nations use 1 battle order article for 2 sets of orders. They publish for the first day priorities, and then edit it when those battles are coming to an end. That way there is not a redundant article floating in the media with outdated information.
It is a regular practice to work with the game mechanics. Not some conspiracy you are trying to create... lol.
for someone who claim to know game mechanics your not very smart. I know you can added value with this. But if you have x amount of comments that push the comments past the first page you need to create a new article. else your just being disrespectful to new commenters.
Asking for a referendum of such importance where more then one person control the votes is a problem Colby?
If bhane refuses to repeat referendum in legit way it will prove bhane has personal interests to run this deal with america.
PROVE ME WRONG IF YOU CAN ORCS....
Come on cowards....come one orcs...prove me wrong, run legit referendum and confirm equal results with bahne mockery referendum....
I offered to provide verification... you said no
You said you would willfully ignore facts and claim everything was faked evidence.
Don't pretend anything will ever satisfy you. You will keep making up scandals until you wreck this country into it's next wipe. In the past, you have openly said you want to see the country destroyed, rather than accept the decisions of the majority when they vote for people you don't like.
You will never quit spouting your lies. So go ahead and keep repeating this one. Everyone knows it is not true.
You LIE to me.
You LIE to the eIrish people.
You LIE to yourself.
Until you change your tactics, and your behavior, your words will continue to carry ZERO clout. If you want to be part of positive changes, then you need do some serious introspection.
Stop acting Kvnt and go back to the light...
"I offered to provide verification... you said no
You said you would willfully ignore facts and claim everything was faked evidence."
errrrrr no.....i never said anything even similar.
Actually Seanan askedif you provide verification of votes will i shut up and i said yes....and i heard nothing on this subject ever since.
Soi assumed seanan was just talking shit...
So you just lied Bhane...you actually openly lied right now...
AND WHAT MAJORITY BHANE? WHAT FREAKING MAJORITY?
THERE ARE NO MAJORITY! ONLY YOUR IMAGINARY RESULT!
RUN A LEGIT REFERENDUM WITH MORE VOTE COUNTERS OR SHUT THE FK UP!
Coz if you not i will never let you or anyone else forget the day you betrayed this country and forged referendum so you can sell irish lands for personal profit.
Coz that is what i do....that is what is my duty....and i will never stop....
Coz unlike you i actualy care for irish honour and true benefits..
I offered to provide verification 2 weeks ago. You said you would claim it to be a lie, unless people like you were allowed to harass and bully people who didn't vote your way. If you did not make such a culture of cyberbullying flourish in eIreland, perhaps more open votes could happen. Embrace the word again, and stop preaching the heresy of the evil ones.
Viktor Kurgan - I dispute results right now...please show screenshots of votes when you publish results of this...."referendum"
Vote 1 Day 2,208, 11:18
Bhane - okay. I will do that. I will also blur out the names to keep people's privacy. Since everyone's messages vary a little bit, it will be easy for anyone to make sure their vote is in the mix.
Vote 0 Day 2,208, 11:21
Viktor Kurgan - No Bhane...no one can be trusted in Ireland...not even you.
Vote 0 Day 2,208, 11:23
Viktor Kurgan - If you blur the names then a bunch of your orcs can forge results....and it will prove nothing.
Vote 0 Day 2,208, 11:26
Bhane - A private vote is a legit vote when the votes are counted equitably. You know I'm not going to manipulate any results. You are trying to make hay out of nothing, in order to forward your political agenda. Stop it.
Vote 1 Day 2,208, 11:46
Blured names means nothing.....icould have ONE person sending me 80 pms and i could just blurr that one name 80 times and claim thos 80 pms are from 80 different people.
No bahne....find another way that can not be forged or run legit referendum....
I have said many times, I am open to alternate methods... Nobody has offered an option. I said I would share unblurred pics with someone who will keep the anonymity, but that it also has to be someone all factions will trust, as well.
Nobody suggested any names. I still have the image folder to be ready if this is needed. I think everyone knows they can trust me. YOU know I can be trusted, even if your political agenda won't allow you to admit it in public right now.
No bhane..in the past i was fooled in thinking you are trustworthy.
but with conway you proved to be an orc.
run new referendum with more vote counters bhane....or you say you could not trust WHS or raven or liam.
ILP are natura opponents to your orcs so they are logical choice to be part of vote control.
this had gone too far bhane....and if you do not remedy this shame it will never ends.....
I know you are an agent the ILP (even if they are not always fond of how you represent them), but I said the person would have to be trusted by all factions.
Like it or not, I am a neutral body... not some orc you want to claim with your lies. There are people that would not trust WHS, as much as they would not trust Ibhoy.
I'll take suggestions from real eIrish citizens. Your actions to undermine the nation means your input has little credence. If someone neutral can get past your rage-rants without vomiting, maybe they will see this post and PM me.
Your behavior has completely invalidated your opinion, Vik. You are a bully and a liar. Until you change, you will be the boy crying wolf.