[The Referendum Act] - Debate In Article Comments
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by FightAndProduce
MAKE SURE TO COMMENT ON THE ARTICLE TO BE PART OF THE DEBATE (Or on IRC at the arranged time and date)
The five days are up. If you wish to read over the previous article detailing what will happen under The Referendum Act then click here
This article will set up the debate of the proposed systems. Then after the debate the people who put forward the systems can decide once taking the results of the debate into account whether it should be taken forward to the next stage. If more than two are taken forward, congress will decide which two go to the first vote.
The IRC debate will be at around 9pm GMT on the 7th of February (if anyone turns up
Each of the systems will be listed below, along with some details trying to explain the system briefly in italics so that those of you who can’t be bothered to read all of the stuff produced can see the basics and make a somewhat informed decision. Though I do recommend reading what people have put forward for yourself.
I should remind people, the current system/status quo does not need to be proposed as it will face the most popular alternative in the final vote.
1. Abolish Congress by Aaron Mark Daniels
No additional details
2. Just burn it all down pls [Reform/Deform] by Rob the Bruce
“1. Dissolve congress
2. Dissolve constitution
3. Install one of the eUK's... less serious/competent as sole dictator with full power to do what they like and only remove them if the whole country burns to the ground and/or the treasury gets stolen
4. Dictator must provide 400k to trustworthy dude (ie Wolds) in case the circumstances for dictator replacement in part 3 are met”
3. Congress Rule by VoodooMike71
“Abolish the position of CP and all ministries. Congress run everything and make all decisions based on a structure of their own choosing. Congress instructs existing constitutional dictator to press buttons in the same way that Congress and CP do now.”
4. Military Junta by Pannonian nomad
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-pn-the-referendum-act-thing-2580878/1/20
No additional details
5. Draft Parliament Act by Sir Humphrey Appleby
Accompanying Article?
Replace current system with public article votes except for secret/sensitive decisions
6. Constitutional Monarchy with Bicameral Legislature by JQXZ
Similar to current system with an upper house
7. Council System by Frixios of the Clyde
No congress
Elected council to advise the dictator
Selected by top 10 parties
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That is all of the systems put forward for the debate. Make sure to also read the material as the details in italics are only meant to cover the basics of the systems.
Anyway, get debating! You have ~2 days/When this article leaves the current eUK media.
Thanks for Reading!
-FightAndProduce (Speaker)
MAKE SURE TO COMMENT ON THE ARTICLE TO BE PART OF THE DEBATE (Or on IRC at the arranged time and date)
ADDED AFTERWARDS
Prince Harry Patriot Act
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/prince-harry-patriot-act--2581649/1/20
The five days are up. If you wish to read over the previous article detailing what will happen under The Referendum Act then click here
This article will set up the debate of the proposed systems. Then after the debate the people who put forward the systems can decide once taking the results of the debate into account whether it should be taken forward to the next stage. If more than two are taken forward, congress will decide which two go to the first vote.
The IRC debate will be at around 9pm GMT on the 7th of February (if anyone turns up
😛) on #euksystemsdebate on rizon.net
Each of the systems will be listed below, along with some details trying to explain the system briefly in italics so that those of you who can’t be bothered to read all of the stuff produced can see the basics and make a somewhat informed decision. Though I do recommend reading what people have put forward for yourself.
I should remind people, the current system/status quo does not need to be proposed as it will face the most popular alternative in the final vote.
1. Abolish Congress by Aaron Mark Daniels
No additional details
2. Just burn it all down pls [Reform/Deform] by Rob the Bruce
“1. Dissolve congress
2. Dissolve constitution
3. Install one of the eUK's... less serious/competent as sole dictator with full power to do what they like and only remove them if the whole country burns to the ground and/or the treasury gets stolen
4. Dictator must provide 400k to trustworthy dude (ie Wolds) in case the circumstances for dictator replacement in part 3 are met”
3. Congress Rule by VoodooMike71
“Abolish the position of CP and all ministries. Congress run everything and make all decisions based on a structure of their own choosing. Congress instructs existing constitutional dictator to press buttons in the same way that Congress and CP do now.”
4. Military Junta by Pannonian nomad
https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/-pn-the-referendum-act-thing-2580878/1/20
No additional details
5. Draft Parliament Act by Sir Humphrey Appleby
Accompanying Article?
Replace current system with public article votes except for secret/sensitive decisions
6. Constitutional Monarchy with Bicameral Legislature by JQXZ
Similar to current system with an upper house
7. Council System by Frixios of the Clyde
No congress
Elected council to advise the dictator
Selected by top 10 parties
__________________________
That is all of the systems put forward for the debate. Make sure to also read the material as the details in italics are only meant to cover the basics of the systems.
Anyway, get debating! You have ~2 days/When this article leaves the current eUK media.
Thanks for Reading!
-FightAndProduce (Speaker)
MAKE SURE TO COMMENT ON THE ARTICLE TO BE PART OF THE DEBATE (Or on IRC at the arranged time and date)
ADDED AFTERWARDS
Prince Harry Patriot Act
http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/prince-harry-patriot-act--2581649/1/20
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Why so serious, just put the Spamicans in charge!
Horice 😉
WE ALREADY ARE
WE ALREADY ARE
JQXZ's format would be my choice, but I do have reservations. Firstly, it's barely possible to get a fully active Congress at the moment, much less enough activity to warrant a second chamber. Secondly, Congress can barely decide what to do on a day-to-day basis and can hardly be trusted to tie it's own shoelaces, so I worry that their choice of upper chamber candidates might not necessarily be the best choice.
On a wholly unrelated matter, I still believe that this country would be far better served were there fewer political parties and, more importantly, fewer MUs. There are far too many to support a country of our size and still some out there with very few (if any) active members which are ripe for potential hostile MTOs. If people want to stop seeing eUK go down the tubes every couple of weeks, they're going to have to start working together instead of popping up with Yet Another Generic Party/MU every five minutes just to satisfy their own ego. Rather, buy up or take over these dead MUs and kill them off before we see another MEK-style scenario.
It can be up for debate how the upper house should be selected - it might be that there would be a better way than putting Congress in charge of it. Party leaders or the King might be better qualified? Or perhaps the Country President should have a greater say?
#CongressRule
Ayee.
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Let us first liberate?
Seeing as nobody can name any of our last 5 CPs, and most of the ministries seem pointless now, Voodoo's and Aaron's suggestions are good ideas. But then Congress can't do much either. So we are left with Rob's choice...
O.O
My suggestion was to abolish congress, get top 10 PP's to choose a coucncil member who will aid and advise the dict.
I am more Rob"s proposal,but if I am gonna be honest Appleby has fair point suggestion too.
Nvm I"ll rather stick with Rob"s proposal.
Btw where is my proposal in your article good old FaP?.Haven"t you read 2 days ago my article?.
HAIL THE JUNTA!
But lol, I didn't think thus would be added as an option, I just commented for no particular reason 😃
Btw, this is my article regarding this subject: https://www.erepublik.com/en/article/2580878/1/20
Is there a vote for the current system?
The current system will go against the most popular alternative at the end, at this stage its all about the alternative systems.
Applenies/JQXZ's are the most appealing to me, if they are orientated around the same ethos as Voodooomike's
I bet you would
Swearing an oath of loyalty to the King and the constitution.
I would rather pay 200k To free the country 🙂
I don't care about oaths, I care about DEMOCRACY
It is possible that the two could be combined. We could have an article based system for government conduct in place of message systems, and rights for citizens to propose motions, in addition to having the constitutional monarchy (Woldy) and bicameral legislature in my proposal.
Aren't PN's military junta and AMD's abolish congress literally the same thing?
Congress rule will make me want to end my life. By extension, so will JQXZ's as it's effectively just having 2 congresses and that scares me.
So options 1, 2, 4, 5 and 7 are the only ones that should be considered, I reckon.
It's a trap!
You can add a Prince Harry one soon but the weekends I'm very busy I will offer the
Total Solution
You missed the timeframe to submit things to this referendum process. 5 days from the 1st was the submission time.
Though if you do put something forward in congress. I will allow it to the next stage. Where if there are more than 2 systems it will come down to a congress vote anyway.
Thanks you should embrace it FAP
I should probably point out that this is a sort of trial of the draft act - we the public are all free to discuss our thoughts and reservations about the direction the community is going in. We could easily combine several of the favoured systems with it.
No need for secretive and inefficient mongressional mails...
I would agree that it could be combined with my proposal, and would probably improve on it if they were combined.
One slight concern here - 9PM GMT on the 7th is about the time that every single breathing warm body in the US will be heading over to a Superbowl party. Heck, even I am going to one, and I have no understanding of or interest in american football! So those 111 votes needed will be missing virtually every one residing on this side of the pond.
This isn't a vote - IRC debate is optional and is secondary to the article comments.
We have probably about 3 days at least until the first vote.
IRC debate was very optional. Nothing was said.
I should add that my proposal means no congress
As someone who have been in congress for the last 5 months, I must say that give more power to congress is a pretty dumb solution.
JQYZ's format is probably the most reliable - knowing that the only true flaw of the eUK at the moment is the inactivity and the lack of motivation for those who are active to participate. I don't believe in the destruction of our current government - it is completely fine in my opinion. However, JQYZ's format allows us to transition to a more modern form of government.
The only problem I have with Appleby's is the overload amount of privilege given to the people. I don't believe in big government, but I also don't believe in giving the general public the amount of power that a Congressman worked for within his party. Also, this opens the door to extraneous policies and legislation being proposed - and due to the eUK's history with PTO's, it doesn't seem too sturdy to implement this.