[Gov]Referendum on neutrality
eBelgian Presidency
Good day dear citizens from eBelgium,
I want to settle a score ones and for all or at least until the next major thing happens within the eWorld and/or our country. I need all your opinions to make it acceptable to act on it.
The goal is to find out which way you want our country to go. Either join an alliance or stay neutral.
Please fill out the form and if you want more information I suggest you keep reading.
The data will be made public after a 48h vote period. Fill out your ingame link because without it the vote doesn’t count.
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I will sketch the situation as objective as possible:
Starting with a history lesson in MPPs signed and wars fought:
* For a long time after ebelgium became independent from eUNL we have been neutral. In that period we signed only one MPP because it was very expensive. We tried to change alliance side month by month.
* The first country that actually invaded our soil when I was a player is the UK. It was a lulz action from an at that time bored UK CP. We singed MPPs with countries like Hungary, Poland and Macedonia to counter their attack.
* After that it was France who attacked us. The reason was to stop Serbia from getting through to the UK for region swapping and so help defend USA. Serbia chose to go through NL instead of Belgium but the war with France wasn’t that easy stopped.
* We did a numerous good TW with NL and later also the UK.
* Next invasion was by France again. It did not last long because many people in France did not wanted to invade Belgium. So they helped to free us.
* Not long after that Belgium invaded France. One of the adm missions was to fight for your own country.
* Last but not least NL invaded Belgium and forced us once again to sign a lot of ONE and prONE MPPs while actually having a few months of well balanced neutral MPPs.
eBelgium is known as a peaceful and proud country. Our resources are not of the sort many of our neighbours need except perhaps the Netherlands. We have a long standing NAP with Germany although it has never been put on paper.
France although a few time aggressors has a lot of citizens who don’t like to harm Belgians. The UK has helped us over the past months and gained our full trust after the incident almost two years ago. The Netherlands have always been good neighbours and the ones we turned to as natural party to start a training war.
But we are still playing a war game and if you look at the numbers you can see that Belgium can be overrun by any neighbour we have got. They have attacked us when we were neutral. They can attack us when we are not neutral. All depends on who becomes country President and who has a seat in congress. The question remains this: would you like to be part of something bigger or do you want to stay on your own.
Remember people, we are all doing this for the love of eBelgium
Yours truly,
Comments
Pertañax
There is no neutrality in this game, because if you don´t sign any mpp, you will be wiped off over and over again. And if you sign mpps, then you have to choose side. Good luck
You can also sign the same number of MPP with each side and then you're neutral 😉
as country we are not so week, 26st on world-scale, even France has less power.
But yes with help of an alliance everybody can overrun us.
Question is, if we choose side wont we be target for the other one?
besides that, we already are pointed as pro-One due our mpp's
Would any of the big alliances accept eBelgium?
Being pro-any alliance is not same as being part of an alliance. If the choice is to be part of an alliance or neutrality i would support to be bart of an alliance. If the choice is between being "pro- an alliance" or neutrality, then i support neutrality.
For me, the most important is to have good relations with our neighbours ! That they are EDEN or ONE doesn't count, we need to keep friendly relations with France, NL, Germany and UK.
Even if we decide to be pro-EDEN, or pro-ONE, i don't think that fighting against London or against Paris will bring something positive for eBelgium.
Let's make war but nor too far from home otherwise it costs too much to travel.
Travel cost is sometime too expensive especialy for beginners.
don't care, I want NE, I want medals, a lot of medals 🙂
Good luck!
I also think having very good relations with our neighbours is the most important.
I do not think it is a good idea to be in an alliance, as we loose on our independance and free will... An alliance might force us to fight one of our neighbours!
Being "Pro"-an alliance is worse as th other alliance attacks you with a good excuse!
The best is Neutral, with a very active MoFA and helping out our neighbours, MPP partners and future MPP partners...
I agree, we need work on our relations while we remain independent so I vote to stay neutral. To get us daily battles Just keep juggling MPP's between alliances and other neutrals or help regain natural borders for occupied countries, especially the ones that did the same for us in the past. That should keep us busy enough I reckon.
For Belgium
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No being neutral has not stopped others from attacking, and conquering us. However, being openly neutral HAS allowed us to bring in help, from the opposite side that attacked us in the first place, and given us the moral high-ground we are attacked.
The world has also come to expect, and respect, Belgian neutrality. We are everyone's friends, and no one's enemy. We can always count on help from somebody, if we ever need it. And other countries do try to keep in mind our sovereignty if possible.
"For me, the most important is to have good relations with our neighbours ! That they are EDEN or ONE doesn't count, we need to keep friendly relations with France, NL, Germany and UK." x1,9
We have been neutral for so long and been invaded but who do we always turn to when things go wrong? Poland - Hungary - Macedonia - Serbia and ofc our soul mates eVenezuela and later on also Spain and UK ...
The only EDEN country that helps us our neighbour in the North.
TERRA has never lift a vinger to help Belgium. You know why? Because it was always them who invaded us.
I agree with the fact we should be on good relations with our neighbours. It is also my believe that it doesn't matter if we join prONE(because that is the natural choice seeing we turn always to ONE and proONE for help) We can still be good neighbours. Look at the countries in Scandinavia. Sweden and Norway are on different sides still they chose not to attack each other.
Being part of an alliance gives something new to this game for eBelgians.
Something in my humble opinion eBelgium really needs.
This is my view as a citizen in eBelgium.
As CP from this proud country I will obey what the people say about it. If the majority wants neutrality so be it.
Stupid limited characters 🙁
I voted proONE, I personally think it would be beneficial for eBE to become proONE, maybe even joining EPIC
"They have attacked us when we were neutral. They can attack us when we are not neutral. All depends on who becomes country President and who has a seat in congress."
The foremost thing in this article
fill ALL the Belgian citizennames \o/
Maartenw I just through out your application and I will publish full results.
1. Neutral or not, we'll be invaded once in a while. For different reasons, but we'll be invaded anyway. That point is irrelevant.
2. Getting into an alliance ?
And having the obligation to fight in wars that might be against our convictions because the very few people (from other countries) that run the alliance strategy decided so. Well...
What do we know about these people deciding it ? And about their opinions ? What do we know about how these "headquarter" decisions are took ?
What do we know about the real differences between these two alliances ? Difference of convictions, methods, beliefs, ... ? Are they any ? What are they fighting for ?
We're just blind, and you want to put Belgium into other hands, no thanks.
3. Mitte
Even if I know you will follow the population's will, I don't feel confortable that this "neutrality" matter is brought by someone just getting back from another country, and having such ties with it. Not a matter of trust, but of principle.
4. Something new to eBelgium that needs it ?
You feel it needs it, that 's personnal point of view, not universal truth.
And by the way... if eBelgium really needs something new on a military matter, I think other ways exist, yet not discovered, that just need imagination and creativity to be unleashed.
What I did forget is this:
the 48h began on 7-5-2012 at 19:30 cet time
to stay neutral. We have no profit to go in an alliance : why? Countries in a alliance have orders, they must fight there or here ... They lost regions for what? an eternal war.
We can stay neutral, it's not hypocrite, because we can defend countries who are in trouble. We have fighters, if we take a position, we lost a lot of liberty.
To be slave of one alliance or to keep our liberty and stay neutral? That's the real question.
No doubt for me : i prefer stay in my position
And I forgot to applause Mitte for organizing such a referundum from the government (even though I have a strong disconfort about the context as I expressed above in my third point).
Neutral
"3. Mitte
Even if I know you will follow the population's will, I don't feel confortable that this "neutrality" matter is brought by someone just getting back from another country, and having such ties with it. Not a matter of trust, but of principle."
I don't see the relevance of this statement and you may know it was the previous CP who was going to do it but didn't get around to it so I just took over from where he left it.
"and you may know it was the previous CP who was going to do it"
-> Nope, I didn't know it.
Then I'm divided between telling you "Sorry, I take it back" or "It doesn't change anything to the point as you have no obligation to finish what the previous CP has begun".
I think I'll just take the first option, not to start an endless and useless discussion.
Sorry, I take it back. 😁
Neutral!
Confirmed for UK positive relations this month
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Pro-One or we are invided by Poland~!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stev4o- We have been invaded by Poland before, and we will probably be invaded again in the future... It doesn't matter if we are in the same alliance as them or not, if we are in their way, they will invade. Poland looks out for Poland, just as Belgium should look out for Belgium.
eBelgium must be neutral in reality as in name. In action as in thought.
Choosing a side will provide little extra defence in case of an invasion, while staying neutral will keep the risk of being invaded lower - we've been invaded just 4-5 times for very short periods of time in over 2 years (few countries, especially of our size, can say the same). And said above, choosing a side might put us in a situation where we might be forced to fight for interests other than our own, even fighting friends.
eBelgium will never become a military superpower, so I think that everyone who wants to focus only on the military aspect of the game will have to find his kicks somewhere else, while eBelgium has always been a place to develop different interests and enjoy other aspects of the game, and I think this should be protected by a vote for neutrality.
I want to thank you all for your input and especially for votining.
This morning the number of people that have voted is 75.
We will have a clear view what the people of eBelgium wants.
Neutrality!
It is known that eNL smells badly, cause the people there don't shower. Therefore it is time to take a stance against them and kill all dutchies, one for one, by drowning them in the north sea.
Therefore eBe's new slogan should be: No Neutrality but dead dutchies!
Where's the part about eIreland invading us? I'm still the most pissed about that one... ; )