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20:17 fingerguns ok guys, let's get started
20:18 fingerguns i wish Paul Proteus could be here since he's the boss and all
20:18 fingerguns but he's unable to make it
20:18 fingerguns as you know, there are a number of things going on right now that need to be discussed. let's knock them off one at a time.
20:18 fingerguns if you have something you want to talk about, pm eli
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20:19 fingerguns is he really here?
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20:19 fingerguns oh
20:19 eliwood_sain he's here, but can't talk much
20:19 fingerguns alrighty
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20:19 eliwood_sain he's on a phone, so will not be able to converse fully with us
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20:19 fingerguns lol ok
20:19 fingerguns so, the American Freedom Alliance is doing their bull****
20:19 eliwood_sain give him some time to adjust if you have questions for him.
20:19 fingerguns they're in the top 5 right now
20:20 fingerguns it's going to be really hard to get them out
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20:20 Atlantis [Paul_Proteus] These are my principles, and if you don't like them… well, I have others
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20:20 fingerguns i'm sure you've seen the DOD release by now straight up calling them terrorists and telling everyone to join us or INCI
20:20 fingerguns why INCI, you might ask, when they are dirty turks extorting the gubmint
20:20 fingerguns i think right now they're simply viewed as the lesser of two evils
20:20 fingerguns *sigh*
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20:21 fingerguns if we're not able to push the AFA out of the top 5 by election day, we could be pretty ****ed
20:21 fingerguns i don't mean us as a party, but us as a country
20:21 Greene12 ****ing in the ***
20:21 eliwood_sain If you aren't aware, the election mechanics are changing on the 25th
20:21 fingerguns yes
20:21 fingerguns the changes mean you vote straight ticket
20:21 eliwood_sain Such that a citizen does not vote for a candidate in a state, but votes for a party
20:22 fingerguns so anyone they put up gets in, basically, if they have the votes
20:22 Paul_Proteus Afa in the top 5 with new election rules=deep ****
20:22 fingerguns and we won't know who they put up until after the election
20:22 fingerguns joy of joys
20:22 eliwood_sain on the 24th, the PP makes a list of all of the candidates w/ priority
20:22 eliwood_sain their proportion of the vote determines how many candidates they get in.
20:23 eliwood_sain e.g. if AFA gets 10% of the vote, then they get around 5 seats in Congress (50 regions roughly)
20:23 fingerguns this leaves us with a lot to think about
20:23 fingerguns options....
20:23 fingerguns wait them out, see what they do...
20:24 fingerguns try and take over their party at PP time
20:24 fingerguns they will have done a lot of damage already at that point
20:24 fingerguns but it's hard to predict how much
20:24 fingerguns another option that was p***ed around jokingly may start to look appealing soon-
20:24 fingerguns moving en m***e to another country
20:24 fingerguns taking that **** over
20:24 fingerguns and declaring war on them
20:25 fingerguns well...declaring war on the US...with ajay at the helm
20:25 fingerguns sounds crazy and it would be really hard to pull off, but with such limited options it's worth a looksie
20:25 Paul_Proteus Not an optimal outcome
20:25 eliwood_sain it's Plan ZZZZZZZZZZZ...ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ
20:25 eliwood_sain aka the last resort
20:25 KaraBeth what's the worst case scenario?
20:26 eliwood_sain I would guess
20:26 fingerguns i mean, ideally the admins accidentally make a good change to the game mechanics and allow us to deport him and his buddies
20:26 fingerguns worst case scenario is AFA is the #1 party and gets loads of votes on the 25th
20:26 fingerguns they get lots of congressmen into office
20:26 fingerguns they flood us with foreigners
20:26 fingerguns put up a POTUS candidate
20:26 fingerguns win that
20:26 fingerguns and then we're toast
20:26 eliwood_sain AKA, we're australia
20:26 fingerguns with the changes to the system, i don't see a way out of that scenario should it happen
20:27 eliwood_sain if they let in too many foreigners, they can easily take over the top 5
20:27 fingerguns as of right this second, there isn't much we can do. we can keep pulling newbs out of the AFA, but that's not going to put much of a dent into their numbers
20:27 fingerguns they are packed to the rafters with PTOers
20:28 fingerguns we can keep recruiting newbs to the Feds
20:28 fingerguns that's tough right now. they are getting a lot of misinformation from the AFA
20:28 eliwood_sain The only real solution is to kill the AFA before reset between the 23rd and 24th
20:28 fingerguns how?
20:28 fingerguns like in RL?
20:28 fingerguns hunt them down?
20:29 eliwood_sain of course not
20:29 fingerguns lol
20:29 eliwood_sain just get the party out of there
20:29 fingerguns realistically, i don't see it happening. they keep climbing in numbers.
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20:29 ishabad98 we can always do teh 1 on 2
20:29 Cannot send to channel: #fedBar
20:29 fingerguns we're doing literally everything we can
2😇0 fingerguns short of writing some computer virus
2😇0 ishabad98 how to send to channel
2😇0 Cannot send to channel: #fedBar
2😇0 fingerguns other parties have been great, working with us and trying to keep these guys down
2😇0 fingerguns but it's an uphill battle for sure
2😇1 fingerguns youngHOOD stop spamming me, please
2😇1 KaraBeth tell me where i'm wrong, if they take over, the only thing that changes is who's in charge of the country and the top 5 is replaced
2😇1 KaraBeth so it's a power struggle
2😇1 KaraBeth the USA still exists
2😇1 fingerguns well that's some of the stuff that changes
2😇1 fingerguns alliances would change eventually, i'm sure
2😇1 fingerguns they could kill the economy
2😇1 eliwood_sain likely, they could shift the entire bank over to a foreign bank
2😇2 Paul_Proteus Well yes but you could say that about any pto yet we generally agree they are wrong
2😇2 fingerguns they could do a lot of damage
2😇2 eliwood_sain if it's primarily Serbians, they would likely vote to donate it all to the Serbian National org
2😇2 Paul_Proteus And what Eli said
2😇2 KaraBeth good point Paul_Proteus
2😇2 KaraBeth now you people are starting to give me the real worst case scenario
2😇3 fingerguns weve done a great job in the past of keeping their guys out of office, but with the changes to the system, there's no stopping them as i understand it
2😇3 eliwood_sain Esp. since we can't intercept them at the current rate
2😇3 fingerguns ok eli, do you want to open it up for questions?
2😇3 eliwood_sain We can do that
2😇3 fingerguns let's stay on this topic...we'll move to the next thing after this is as settled as it can be
2😇4 eliwood_sain if you have a question regarding the AFA or elections, let me know
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2😇5 ishabad98 Why not send a spy over ?
2😇5 fingerguns to what ends?
2😇5 ishabad98 to every end of the AFA
2😇5 Paul_Proteus What would be accomplished besides superficial victories?
2😇5 fingerguns i mean we kind of already know what they're up to
2😇5 ishabad98 sure we do
2😇6 fingerguns i don't think infiltration will really work
2😇6 fingerguns unless someone already balls deep in there turns
2😇6 ishabad98 but do we understand how CG and AJay's minds work
2😇6 ishabad98 and the Serbs minds(whatever)
2😇6 fingerguns i don't know about CG
2😇6 ishabad98 Infiltration is the only way other then beating them in numbers which we can a
2😇7 Paul_Proteus And infiltration will take months and not give us the power to dismantle them, and if it did by time it succeeded we would be beyond saving
2😇7 eliwood_sain and from there, POTUS hopefully
2😇7 ishabad98 I cna tell
2😇7 ishabad98 from my time in USMJ and the convos
2😇8 ishabad98 that they hate each other but just "work" together for power
2😇8 fingerguns is there a question in here?
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2😇8 fingerguns we need to move on
2😇8 eliwood_sain ty for your question
2😇8 eliwood_sain can we take one more?
2😇8 fingerguns yeah shoot
2😇8 +++ eliwood_sain has given voice to Emperor_Rick
2😇9 Emperor_Rick The USWP has 700 members, AMP just under that, why don't they shed some members and help out more?
2😇9 fingerguns ooo good question
2😇9 fingerguns they can move people around, but at this point AFA is like #3?
2😇9 fingerguns #2?
2😇9 fingerguns they keep climbing
2😇9 fingerguns so they're going to have to move people into all of the parties to manipulate the numbers and drive them out
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20:40 Atlantis [HarryHill] Attention On Deck!
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20:40 fingerguns that's kind of a logistical nightmare for a party like the USWP
2😇8 fingerguns where it's mostly zombies
2😇8 HarryHill Made it.
2😇8 Emperor_Rick if that's the case it seems inevitable that we're going to have to either negotiate more with AJ like we did with INCI or ... i don't know
2😇8 fingerguns they don't follow complicated orders
2😇8 HarryHill What is this room for?
2😇8 eliwood_sain HarryHill, this is the meeting
2😇8 fingerguns party meeting, harry
2😇8 fingerguns lol
2😇8 HarryHill I like the moose head.
2😇8 You are banned from the channel #eusa
2😇8 mibbit pthut: No such nickname online.
2😇8 fingerguns ajay is one of the weakest guys in the party
2😇8 fingerguns he's really just a mouthpiece who thinks he's the leader
2😇8 Emperor
2😇8 Emperor_Rick he's pulling the strings though isin't he?
2😇8 fingerguns hardly
2😇9 fingerguns he opened the floodgates, but a mastermind he is not
2😇9 fingerguns i don't know how much negotiating could really be done and even if we did work with ajay, he doesn't have control over them
2😇9 KaraBeth fingerguns: how do you know his relationship to the AFA and his influence?
2😇9 fingerguns they will do what they're going to do
20:40 fingerguns good point, KB
20:40 fingerguns my sources aren't great on this one
20:40 fingerguns speculation based on his slew of failed attempts in the past
20:42 fingerguns and knowing how hard he fails, in general
20:42 fingerguns this is elaborate and well executed
20:42 HarryHill I don't want to have anything to do with Ajay
20:42 fingerguns i suppose it's possible he suddenly got good at this, but it does seem unlikely
20:42 Emperor_Rick we should be open to negotiate (with whoever) it seems like it's reaching a point of no return if you know what i mean -- (im done, you can go on to the next question)
20:42 Paul_Proteus I'd hazard that fg is right on this one from my experience
20:42 fingerguns aeriala confirms for me that this is correct. he's being used.
20:42 fingerguns ok, thanks rick
20:42 fingerguns that was a good question
20:42 +++ eliwood_sain has taken voice from Emperor_Rick
20:42 fingerguns alright, have we taken this issue as far as we can for now? i mean from here it's kinda like wait and see
20:42 Paul_Proteus Okay sorry I wasn't able to really be here but my phone is at 1% battery later Feds o/. I tried to stay as long as I could
20:42 fingerguns while recruiting our ***es off
20:42 fingerguns
2😇9 fingerguns they will do what they're going to do
20:40 fingerguns good point, KB
20:40 fingerguns my sources aren't great on this one
20:40 fingerguns speculation based on his slew of failed attempts in the past
20:42 fingerguns and knowing how hard he fails, in general
20:42 fingerguns this is elaborate and well executed
20:42 HarryHill I don't want to have anything to do with Ajay
20:42 fingerguns i suppose it's possible he suddenly got good at this, but it does seem unlikely
20:42 Emperor_Rick we should be open to negotiate (with whoever) it seems like it's reaching a point of no return if you know what i mean -- (im done, you can go on to the next question)
20:42 Paul_Proteus I'd hazard that fg is right on this one from my experience
20:42 fingerguns aeriala confirms for me that this is correct. he's being used.
20:42 fingerguns ok, thanks rick
20:42 fingerguns that was a good question
20:42 +++ eliwood_sain has taken voice from Emperor_Rick
20:42 fingerguns alright, have we taken this issue as far as we can for now? i mean from here it's kinda like wait and see
20:42 Paul_Proteus Okay sorry I wasn't able to really be here but my phone is at 1% battery later Feds o/. I tried to stay as long as I could
20:42 fingerguns while recruiting our ***es off
20:42 fingerguns
20:44 KaraBeth what Greene12 said
20:44 fingerguns yeah that's correct
20:44 fingerguns people say we bitch and moan too much
20:44 HarryHill The Integrity Party
20:44 fingerguns but THIS is what happens when they ignore our bitching and moaning
20:44 Greene12 ^
20:44 eliwood_sain But we're the "Saving America" party
20:44 fingerguns seriously
20:44 fingerguns i will say, it's nice to see the country rallying together to help us
20:44 fingerguns it's usually us helping them
20:44 HarryHill What is USWP doing, if anything, about this?
20:45 fingerguns i wasn't sure the favor would be returned
20:45 HarryHill And AMP?
20:45 KaraBeth that question is still left hanging
20:45 fingerguns yeah we know they are moving people...how fiercely they are doing this, i have no idea
20:45 fingerguns words are wind lol
20:45 fingerguns ****ing game of thrones is taking over my life
20:45 HarryHill They could give up enough of their players to drive AFA out of hte top 5
0:46 fingerguns they probably could
20:46 fingerguns like i was saying earlier, i'm not sure they have the active membership necessary to pull that off
20:46 HarryHill BTW - All AFA members in EZC have been identified and personally warned.
20:46 fingerguns zombies everywhere in USWP at least
20:46 fingerguns not sure they'll move
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20:46 HarryHill One nasty gram in responce and one dropped affiliation.
20:47 fingerguns yeah i've been getting similar responses from people
20:47 fingerguns never in my life have so many people told me to **** off at once
20:47 fingerguns i guess people are there and know what's going on
20:47 fingerguns or they're drinking the ajay kook aid
20:47 fingerguns i dunno
20:47 fingerguns yeah i've been getting similar responses from people
20:47 fingerguns never in my life have so many people told me to **** off at once
20:47 fingerguns i guess people are there and know what's going on
20:47 fingerguns or they're drinking the ajay kook aid
20:47 fingerguns i dunno
20:47 eliwood_sain do we know what the messages are saying?
20:47 KaraBeth question here
20:48 fingerguns my messages are letting them know the party they are in is an enemy of the unites states
20:48 fingerguns that's about it
20:48 KaraBeth will this be a monthly problem
20:48 KaraBeth let's say we rally
20:48 KaraBeth and succeed
20:49 KaraBeth next month all over again
20:49 fingerguns yes..it will be a monthly problem
20:49 fingerguns yes..it will be a monthly problem
20:49 fingerguns without 5 (actually 6) strong parties, we are always as risk
20:49 fingerguns if we somehow get the AFA out this month, they'll be back next month
20:49 fingerguns even if we take over their party and hold the PP spot, they'll just make another party
20:49 fingerguns this didn't come out of the clear blue
20:49 eliwood_sain they can likely do what they just did again
20:49 fingerguns the groundwork was laid for months
20:50 fingerguns Feds did all we could but we didn't get the support
20:50 fingerguns and now here we are
20:50 KaraBeth why aren't we doing this to our enemies?
20:50 fingerguns we can't afford to lose the numbers right now
20:50 fingerguns but that's like a plan B
20:50 fingerguns do this to them
20:50 fingerguns if they take over here
20:51 fingerguns any more questions regarding AFA and other terrorist ****s?
20:51 KaraBeth who is their leader
20:52 fingerguns excellent quest
0:52 Greene12 at least some of them are
20:52 Greene12 its more than one country, so there must be multiple high ranking people
20:53 KaraBeth so serbia population depleted?
20:53 Greene12 and ajay, even though he's being used, still has some resources to contribute
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20:52 Greene12 i think they're prolly run by a council
20:52 Greene12 several high ranking individuals working together
20:52 Greene12 serbs, turks, and ajay
20:52 KaraBeth what are they
20:52 KaraBeth serbs?
20:52 Greene12 at least some of them are
20:52 Greene12 its more than one country, so there must be multiple high ranking people
20:53 KaraBeth so serbia population depleted?
20:53 Greene12 and ajay, even though he's being used, still has some resources to contribute
20:53 Greene12 serbia is really good at this, i think its overly presumptive to say that their population is depleted
20:53 KaraBeth ok
20:54 eliwood_sain if we could mobilize the entire military & the active party bases, would it work?
20:54 fingerguns to what?
20:54 eliwood_sain to move to like Serbia and take them over
20:54 Greene12 we've never done it before
20:55 Greene12 our PTO of france failed p bad
20:55 eliwood_sain We have question "why not create Dummie Parties?"
20:55 fingerguns PTO is a loooong game
20:55 Greene12 our PTO of russia (supported by quite a ton of american multis) also failed
20:55 fingerguns especially with these new changes
20:55 Greene12 i also dont think we have the culture for it. americans love domestic political fighting
20:55 Greene12 we dont band together well
20:55 fingerguns we also can't be bothered to learn other languages
20:55 Greene12 ^
20:56 Greene12 we already know the best one
20:56 KaraBeth lol
20:56 fingerguns exactly
20:56 fingerguns there are options that will certainly be considered. the next time we have one of these meeting (next week) there will be more to talk about on this
20:56 fingerguns since elections will have happened
20:57 fingerguns after this meeting, we'll open a thread about this in the Fed Party section so the convo can go on
20:57 eliwood_sain Ok, this has taken 43 minutes
20:57 fingerguns if you have questions that haven't been answered or things you'd like to add, you'll be able to do it there
20:57 fingerguns we need to move o
21:06 fingerguns first thing:
21:06 fingerguns media
21:06 fingerguns everyone is reading the news like crazy right now because of the crazy **** going on
21:07 fingerguns if you were thinking about starting a paper, now is the time
21:07 fingerguns if you were thinking of maybe writing an article, do it
21:07 fingerguns our party leaders are trying to churn them out
21:07 fingerguns covering everything from the PTO threat and instructions on how to help to Fed propagada and why we're the best
21:07 eliwood_sain If you want help, ask
21:07 fingerguns we need to draw more people to us, for the benefit of the nation, the party and themselves quite honestly
21:08 fingerguns some poor kid just joined erep and signed up to be a part of a terrorist organization and doesn't even know it
21:08 fingerguns that's the kid we need to reach
21:08 fingerguns the kid who is accidentally helping ajay