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I think that we should NOT support BigAnt in the CP election.

Having read articles from the other candidates, I think that we SHOULD support Prof J Moriarty.

That is a good choice. In my humble, unbiased opinion, he will do a good job 😛

Fair enough. Unfortunately (and ironically), because you're not a TUP member you can't vote on this matter.

I would feel as no longer a part of TUP, the moment that I would vote for BigAnt ...

Who do you think we should vote for? If TUP can agree on a candidate to support we can make sure that we don't split our vote and end up helping BigAnt anyway.

>>"As the official TUP candidate ordinarily we would be duty-bound to vote for him."

^This is just so much of what is wrong.

Huh? Isn't it common (in eRep and RL) for party members to vote for their party's candidate as a matter of course?

In this instance, where BA has hijacked the party via TPO, normal allegiances don't apply.

Incidentally, why is there no UKPP candidate? I would have thought you could have put forward a strong contender.

That's the problem.

Imagine TUP selects 'Regular Jonny Oldfag' and ESO puts up 'Complete Awesomeness'.

You block vote in the usual suspects rather then think about possibly examining the candidates and thinking "perhaps my party got it wrong?"

It's a game so i can't see why anybody would be duty bound to vote someone else, i take this argument to real life as well to those that say ''well my grandad was a Labour voter, and my dad so i vote Labour...''.

If your party told you to hand over what's in your storage you wouldn't just hand it over, and I always mention in the party i represent that every election the members a re free to vote how they wish and the party backing is just a recommendation.

Agree with Alfa, this is indeed why we ended up with several crap CPs just because TUP felt like putting someone forward for the hell of it and the whole party voted for them.

PCP discusses the candidates, votes to see who the party as a whole will support officially, and then every member goes out and votes for who they think would be the best CP (at least that's what we do when we have an active PP and haven't been PTO'd). If there's a better way to do it than that, I can't think of it.

That's exactly what I'm suggesting TUP does now

The "usual suspects" have left TUP and eUK, and they disagree with my stance on fighting to win the party back from PTO (while wishing me luck, admittedly).

However, to answer your point, I'd find it very unusual (and disloyal) for a party to put forward a candidate and then recommend voting for someone else. In that situation the problem isn't who to vote for, is the fact that you haven't selected a good enough candidate. So that's the issue that needs addressing.

The problem is that it's NOT the party that;s recommending him ... he after gerrymandering his election as PP did the same for the CP election. The point is he is NOT a real TUP member.

Voted, but two recent PTO's shows you have serious issues in TUP.

This second one was more the oldfags' fault for getting their popularity to sink to abysmal levels and then not requesting ATO help until BigAnt started winning and most people had already voted.

True. Let's get this election out the way first, then get shot of BA as PP. After that I'm keen to see the party address is issues.

First one wasn't a PTO, they just didn't like that mwc had selected skill and intelligence over loyalty to a name. imo, he did the right thing.

So when are results coming in?

That really depends on how quickly TUPers express a preference (if they do at all) I planned to publish any results at least 24 hours before the CP election so that people can act accordingly if that's what they want to do.

Why are only a couple of TUP members shouting the rest seem fine. The party have 140 members!

Vote BigAnt!

You name says it all ... Get lost you Serbian PTOer

Before BA was in charge you always said that a large chunk of those members were inactive or multies... Now you say the non responsive mass is just complacent?

It's funny TUP don't agree with you, just a handful of elites who want to continue abusing the party.

I don't see many TUP members defending you...

Because many want to remain anonymous to avoid abuse from your group of power hungry elites.

I'm a power hungry elite 😛 ?
What kind of power have I ever attempted to get in TUP?

The only thing I do is saying my opinion 😁

1. I've been in eRep for five weeks, and already I've seen through your lies and broken promises. I am confident that a lot of TUP members have done the same thing. They just haven't come out to play yet ☺

2. It's flattering to think that I'm rubbing shoulders with the "elite" though. Cheers.

3. How many of those 140 party members are the frauds that you and Vendetta shipped in to PTO the party. I won't bother trying to get their support though (even though you put half on them straight into Congress) - the word on the street is that those who aren't your multis don't speak English. And I don't speak Serbian.

4. Having said that, if you have your way we'll all be speaking Serbian soon, right?

How about less bashing people for their nationality?

5 weeks and already you know all my past.. So who are you ?? Ragnell?? I think I will report to be safe 🙂

Alfagrem - please don't try to play the racism card, as it's not appropriate or relevant. Serbia is allied to Argentina, with whom we are at war. V and BigAnt have reportedly allowed an influx of Serbian citizens into the UK, seemingly to PTO TUP and then boost BigAnt's CP vote. Many of them are still fighting in Serbian MUs, quite possibly for Argentina against us. Read my message again - you will NEVER hear me speak ill of another race.

BigAnt - you're right; i don't know your past. That's the beauty of being new here - i don't have to take any notice of people's pasts or reputations. However I've played other games (anyone remember Inselkampf?) and I've seen players like you before. That's why I'm trying to influence your future.

I didn't use the 'R' word merely implying that your were perhaps dancing on the edge of that line and might want to tweak your approach a wee bit so you don't come across as some tub-thumping skinhead.

It is relevant if you are going out of your way to make an issue of Serbians without mentioning the countless other nationalities we've historically accepted.

Me personnaly - I suffered once from TUP letting in a large group of French people to PTO one of my parties.

Old TUP's hands are not clean in this regard and that's why you got PTO'd as the other groups in the nation decided that they didn't want to condone or condemn the tactic that TUP and NE/V were using.

Alfagrem: duly noted. I can't comment on the business of letting French players in because I wasn't here at the time and this is the first time I've heard anyone mention it. However, I can say that if the situation was the same - the French were actively allied to an enemy and not us, they were being granted citizenship purely to help with a PTO, and there were no other circumstances to take account of - then I would be equally critical (even if it was my party doing it).

@alfagrem - the 'other groups' in the nation didn't decide. New Ego/Vendetta chose to use underhand tactics. No one else. Something they have always done when they don't get their own way. Whether it be fighting & organising against the UK, organising a hostile takeover of the UK via Serbian PTO, or merely by spreading lies and slander. Whenever they haven't been able to control things politically, they've thrown a tantrum and used any means necessary, even if it damages the UK, The sad part is that newer players, not knowing the history, often fall for their lies and propaganda. Add that to their multis and there is the 'revolution'. Merely the same old players, trying to control everything but pretending to be 'new', 'revolutionary', 'pro-freedom', 'pro-justice' and other such insubstantial & essentially meaningless platitudes. It's an unethical power grab by a small ruthless elite, some enemy PTOers and some essentially innocent, but gullible, minions

Maybe there are lots of TUP members who agree with him, but "many of them want to remain anonymous to avoid abuse from your group of power hungry elites"?

You can't claim to have the support of a silent majority, and then also claim that since your opponents supporters are silent they must be in the minority...

We all know who the bad guys here are ... does the Serbian-Argentinian alliance ring any bells?

Madelina's Manifesto out - please vote and shout! Then vote to replace the bug with a genuine TUPer!

http://www.erepublik.com/en/article/madelina-s-manifesto-2412586/1/20

I mean if you have been playing 5 week how can you say this This month has been a bad one for TUP. how would you know what the other months have been like, I think your are talking balls mate.

As a supporter of the PTO you would say that wouldn't you ... to paraphrase Mandy RD.

You're right - the last month has been terrible for TUP. That's why this article was written. It doesn't harp back to historical events, it discusses the current situation - since BigAnt PTOd the party and stood CP as TUP's official candidate.

So I fail to see how "what the other months have been like" is relevant. I don't care what happened in the past, I'm simply trying to advert the catastrophe of a BA led eUK and TUP now, in the present.

(PS that's my head saying that, not my balls)

The reason your party is failing well if you can call it your party after 5 weeks of being here, is because everyone's done with the TUP bs. And now that we have taken action, it seems only new people like you are brave enough to do anything. TUP's using you my friend, don;t let them make a bad name for you

I think there's a compliment in there somewhere, so thanks for that 🙂

TUP aren't using me, because the people you claim have caused the problem have stepped back, left TUP and created an MU instead. Indeed, most of them disagree with my (naive noob) efforts to fight for the party.

So that's the situation I find myself in - part of a party under attack, which some people seem to hate while others love, and which is definitely in transition. The fact that I think a BA led transition is a disaster is nothing to do with history or the views of recently retired party members - it's my assessment of the situation.

Oh, and I'm quite capable of giving myself a bad name, thanks. I don't need any help on that front 😉 Judge me by my own actions, not those of others.

Sweet Propeganda mate, at the end of the day, it's propeganda. You pay or tell your friends to vote, and you don't really change anyone. BigAnt4CP

So says a member of Vendetta.

So says a member of Vendetta, what of it?

In case you had not noticed the rest of us regard Vendetta members as part of the PTO. That in itself is enough to invalidate any comment you (or any other member of that PTOing pro-Serbian party) might make.

Mate, you say we're proSerb and proPTO, all I can really here is you looking for someone to blame for TUP being taken off it's high seat. Instead of tasking action you sit and complain, average TUP'r for ya. And don;t act all buttmad because of a PTO, when you guys helped PTO UKPP, we took action and didn't sit on our asses. Fact

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Everything is propaganda. I'd have thought that as a member of Vendetta you'd understand that.

If only Dan had let the DCers into his precious party forum this all could have been averted....but no, he had to maintain the elitist attitude.