[Rezo's Legacy] The Art of War
Lord Doel
Hello there my dear readers o/
I would like to remind that as usually, most of my articles are purely based on my opinion and my vision of the game, which is a result of all my personal relations in this game and experience (which may not be the greatest, but there is wisdom even on the dumbest guy on the world, so, whatever).
Today i want to speak (like many others) about the "Syndriatica" idea, the whole Asteria existence and by extension about how the world works, and again, its wholly based in my personal experience and ideas, so i hope you guys enjoy it :3.
There has been a lot said, about why it failed or why they belived they succeded when both were founded. This alliances hold both the failure and the succeding factor, because some barriers were actually broken with the foundation of both, lets take a look at what happened in both...
Adriatica:
- Croatia woke up and took its commanding place, at least from a small while under zdlemmy's guide, the alliance worked as a team because Croatia, which is the counter part of Serbia and the country that most of the antiSerbia side expects the best, took its place as the head of the alliance.
- Albania was able to work above its own strength mostly due Colin's involvement, if you dont take damage meters in account (because well, countries are not growing anymore so it wont change anymore...), Albania put up a fight at least at Slovenia strength, so they weighted the balance in the Croatia-Serbia sphere to Croatian side.
- Venezuela might be the only country in the game that is actually growing and not the opposite, they showed the world that with balls, coordination and teamwork they can improve. It is safe to say they are the third biggest night damage in the world above USA, Brazil, Peru or Indonesia.
But Adriatica failed on something that many alliances failed in the past... they growed to quickly and without enough strength. Of all the countries inside Adriatica only Croatia and Chile are above the top16 most damage in the world, so... where would they damage come when CO is not involved? Even going further, Chile is a passionate country that only acts with brain when they fight their bitter enemy (Argentina). Aside from that they are very irregulars like all hispanic-speaking countries (dont ask me why, we are all xD). So having to protect Mexico, Ireland, Georgia, Cyprus and Italy when they cant protect themselves... well, this is why Adriatica failed. They cant pull enough damage without a very heavy investment of money.
Syndicate on the other hand has breaked some barriers, for instance:
- Greece commited to a side, they showed their colours when they simply tell Croatia "meh, no, i dont care about your wars against Asteria, i just want to kill Macedonia and Bulgaria". But they have shown the world what they want, so its easy to placate them and keep them reined, just like Pacifica and Asteria are doing, as long as Macedonia and Bulgaria are not in a side... that side is not their enemy, so Greece has turned Syndicate in a "friends of all" alliance.
- Argentina did also something unthinkable, after all the help they got from Serbia... they left them, thats a broken barrier, they were ready for a change, but in return they asked for something impossible (Latinoamerica peace), usually Argentina expected Chile to drop everything and go to their side... but while Chile embraced Greece... they did not embrace Peru, so Peru is now in Asteria and Syndicate helps Peru, not Chile... but its not Argentina fault this time you know.
Overall, there are words like "Syndriatica" or "brotherhood", but the harsh truth is that Syndicate holds completely oppose goals to Adriatica. No matter how much love Croatia gives. Greece plays their own game and Argentina, Turkey and Brazil will dance that game as long as its convenient for them. So this is not like Aurora and Sirius... this is something completely different. Croatia gambled Bulgaria, Macedonia and Spain for the damage of Argentina and Greece (even though they promised they would not do it) and their game has failed. As long as Croatia does not learn what true brotherhood is (what Macedonia and Bulgaria holds for example, where one will help the other no matter the costs or the result), they will keep putting their faith on Greece and fail on everything. This alliances have been a fun experiment, but not even close to Aurora and Sirius (which held similar goals but had issues within the chain of command).
On the other hand we have another win of Asteria... but lets look at what they have done.
Asteria suffered a quite major blow when Greece ceased to support some of its members and when Brazil & Argentina left them to join the other side.
How could it happen that Pacifica, Syndicate and Adriatica, apparently all on the same boat and against Asteria could not beat them? Simple, Asteria did nothing, they had no need for doing nothing, they simply waited like a predator, patching every whole of the ship where the water was pouring inside, like inviting Iran and Peru to the main alliance, and they kept waiting... Untill something became clear. Greece was no longer on their side so they supported indirectly the enemies of Greece, and on the other side of the world, they supported Peru (which is allied of Syndicate) against Chile, while atacking Adriatica where it hurts more (Georgia and Croatia).
But that wasnt the whole picture... they also punished heavily Argentina by tanking for Spain (something that i still think was some evil plan of Bogi btw) against Argentina. They also left Hungary and Poland alone so they would not oppose them and they simply won.
How can Asteria win? Its simple, we will analize on the next batch, how the diplomacy works, but definetly Asteria fullfilled the Sun Tzu greatest idea... Win a war without a fight, despite conquering Georgia and Croatia... that was a no-sweat job for them, because they had alredy won long before that, mostly due their enemies internal strifes.
Diplomacy is one of the best and worst things in the history of mankind. Its the art of achieve a victory for both sides and having no losser.
When you want something, you must (if you read this, simply say "Ryū ga waga teki wo kurau!!!!!" and the first will get 100cc and a friend invite to play overwatch :3) give something, and that trade must be equal in value... thus the equivalent exchange part...
In eRepublik we have nations that have goals, when two or three nations share a goal, they actually become a "block", then when some "blocks" have some common goals, they give and take from the other becoming fully working alliances.
For example, most people mock the idea behind "Ro-Hun" but actually they are the best example of diplomacy:
- Both hate each other.
- Both have no real reason (ingame) to war each other.
- Both have nothing to gain from the fight.
Thus, they both keep a peace based on their interests. No one of both is losing actually and both are winning with it. Because Romania can afford to participate in wars against Serbia enemies and Hungary is able to pursue their goal of seeking bonuses. Its like real life when France and UK set aside all their differences so they could do whatever the hell was their second option.
The was no point in keep fighting.
In the creation of Syndicate and Adriatica, there was some friendship between both (a bond created in the past), there were some common goals (like Greece hates Mkd-Bul and Croatia kinda dislikes them), but there was no equivalent exchange.
Adriatica was asked to drop Macedonia and Bulgaria without having ANY gain remotely similar to what they were conceding to Syndicate... and Syndicate was demanding Adriatica to drop mpps with two countries that alone had more damage than their own. Adriatica dropped Mkd-Bul (and Spain because the common goals between Spain-Bulgaria-Macedonia) and earned nothing from it. Syndicate never commited to the Adriatica goal of waging war against Serbia and as such... it was a very poor trade for Adriatica. The result can be seen as Croatia deleted (because not enough damage to withstand Serbia), Chile struggling to survive (because large sectors of Spa-Mkd-Bul have doubts about their "old friendship"), Georgia deleted, Italy forced into agreements, etc... but the worse is there is not even the slightiest chance of changing the situation.
Of course it wasnt either a good situation for the other side at all. Spain is also "sold" by the Asterian side to Hungary, between Spain or Hungary its quite easy to choose by looking the damages (i wouldnt choose Hungary, too many backstabs, but thats a personal choice though).
But overall... those are my two cents on why Adriatica and Syndicate have failed and have no purpouse, it seems the game is dying too... so this was perhaps the last chance of seeing the downfall of Asteria (and perhaps some lesser revival of the game between the chaos). But me, personally, i am looking forward seeing Greece and Turkey deleted by Macedonia and Bulgaria, it will be a very pleasant view :3.
Also coolpic for the traditions and an inserted video with the new feature! :3
(And for you, my french readers, this is the only good thin you have ever gave to the world >.>...!!!!)
Comments
Time will prove you wrong on so many levels. At least you admit that this has been written subjectively, it's very obvious really. That's where it differs from Raul's article, which is a very good piece of work.
You nailed some parts though. Don't wanna bother highlighting which ones, time will prove that too.
" So having to protect Mexico, Ireland, Georgia, Cyprus and Italy when they cant protect themselves... well, this is why Adriatica failed. " - the part I really disliked. There's no country in the world which can protect itself by its own. Pointing out countries is very low...not to mention wrong. Check the latest Canada vs Ireland war. Italy is very safe, Mexico has no enemies and doesn't require any help. Georgia is the only one currently wiped of those you mentioned and that's just because Adminlandia attacked them.
Don, i never dislike the "small countries", i know what you think and i would like to point you i was one of the founders of PLUTO (one of the alliances with less damage in the game).
What i meant is the fact that Adriatica CANT help all their fronts because they have not enough safe countries because everybody is having a different objective.
Look at Chile, they could have fully helped Croatia, but what they did? War with Peru. That was STUPID as hell.
Look at Greece and Turkey, they could have helped Croatia, had they declared war to Serbia probably Macedonia and Bulgaria would be helping Spain or even Chile and thus Serbia and its side would be facing multiple war scenarios against multiple big threats. But no, they started war with Macedonia and Bulgaria. That was STUPID as hell.
Who is going to help Georgia when they are facing a country like 50 times stronger? Please, tell me, who?
Adriatica isn't an alliance made to dominate or to become strongest. It's simply an alliance made of friends which should have very good organization and its specific rules.
Countries which has been invited to the alliance was invited in the time when Asteria had full domination. We didn't care about the size or damage of the countries. We cared only for loyalty, coordination and fun. That can still be achieved. It's natural that alliance such Adriatica is will look to cooperate with a bigger damage-wise alliance.
A lot of stupid things has happened, it's summer, people from our strongest countries aren't around. I barely 2clicked until 2 days ago. 90% of Croats are doing the same. I bet Italians too. It's adriatic (haaa funny) way of life.
Don, wake up to reality, the only way of Adriatica to survive is with zdlemmy and colin pouring more and more and more money.
Your people threw everything to the trash when they decided to give Bul-Mkd-Spa for NOTHING.
Proofs of it:
Syndicate against Chile:
http://prnt.sc/c2sl9h
http://prnt.sc/c2slp7
http://prnt.sc/c2sm9p
http://prnt.sc/c2smjm
Syndicate for Chile:
http://prnt.sc/c2so66
Im not going to bother counting the Bulgaria, Macedonia or even Spain for Chile since its pointless. Chile threw us to the garbage for nothing, even going further calling Spain mercenaries and hailing Turkey.
On the fun topic, there are more Romanians for Chile than whole Syndicate people for Chile.
Looks like you're gonna be a great candidate for Asteria HQ :3
Tl:dr :3
There is no TL😉R :/... its an analysis xD.
But you could simply say that Croatia does not recognoize when a business is good and when a business is bad...
Don't worry I'll get you readers 😃
Syndycate solo buscaba aislar a Macedonia y Bulgaria para seguir sus guerras eternas nunca han tenido intención de enfrentarse cara a cara contra Serbia y el resto de Asteria.
Ryū ga waga teki wo kurau!!!!!"
Whatever that is 🙂
Btw I dont play Overwatch 🙂
Might be the first and only who read it wholly 🙁...
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I'm just. enjoying reading the paper with an ice cold beer and a cigar.. Its what time teaches us.. You try to prove some stuff while you're youbg and willing, but they always realise it when its too late.. 😛
I tried to paint a picture of how I feel.. Nice article.. 😛
I won't go into alliances system or the relation toward BG-MKD-SP, I already expressed my opinion.
But you pointed out something that almost everyone treats it like a joke, but it's significant for foreign relations in this game: "something, something, Ro-Hun eternal". 😉 😁
Im afraid Romania and Hungary at least understand how diplomacy works. Romania enjoys "freepass" to atack Georgia without Hungary doing nothing and Hungary enjoys "freepass" to atack Spain without Romania doing nothing.
Well, you're right basically, but the examples are wrong (maybe a little bit subjective?!). Neither Romania nor Hungary had any claims toward Spain or Georgia, so neither needed the other "freepass" to attack.
Imagine how it will be if Hungary (for example) will try to attack Republic of Moldova... 🙂
Well, taking in account the status of "cold war" between both, the most "logical" think to a normal mind would be that Hungary would sway even further to antiAsteria side just to sate their bloodlust against Romania.
But no, Hungary passes so Romania passes.
Well Raul Doru Turkey attacked Moldova in the past to free Ukraine and all Romania did was to give a NE and reject it later. So I can figure out what will happen with Hungary too 😛
Asteria eternal!
Also: tl;dr of this article is my comment at Raul's article 😛
didnt read, lol 😃
Read it you vampire copper-thief! ¬.¬
oh, wow, so harsh. i literally cry. so accurate. 😢 kappa
😁
It was meant as a joke, but seriously, read it ¬.¬ xD
i didnt had time at that point 😛 i already read it now 🙂
Alizeeeee!!!!!!Oh...the fish.
"Chile is a passionate country that only acts with brain when they fight their bitter enemy (Argentina). Aside from that they are very irregulars like all hispanic-speaking countries (dont ask me why, we are all xD). "
Chile fought against Serbia, Slovenia and Romania several times succesfully, in America and Europe for two or three years. If you are right, would imply that those three countries did not act with brain again and again. I guess your are talkin about the last months, when it seems Chile has been a disaster in strategic terms or simply you are completely wrong.
Voted!
Hablas de una edad dorada de Chile Pescaman :/... es como hablar de España en la epoca de Spoland hace 4 o 5 años, fueron anomalias xD, los hispanos no sabemos trabajar en equipo en estos juegos xD.
Pero si, a lo que me referia era a epocas recientes.
As a person who was inside this whole alliance creation thing I have much to say but I won't 😛 Impressive article but you don't understand something. Bulgaria was already leaning towards Serbia that time because they did not like Croatia and Croatia likes Greece. They were just waiting for an opportunity to change sides without being called backstabbers. On the other hand the only thing holding Hun and Ro from fighting each other is Serbia and the power of Asteria. If in the future Asteria somehow dissolves it will be pleasant to watch the diplomacy games between Serbia Hungary and Romania 😛
Countries are not a "whole" on diplomatic matters, they just tend to incline to a side deppending on a ruler, and rulers are elected (when in division) based on their results.
In Bulgaria the proCroatia "side" could not achieve anything nor win anything because Greece, Croatia and other countries were quite heavily focused on dismissing any chance of having Mkd-Bul-Gre on the same side (i did not say alliance, i said side, both Mkd-Bul-Gre share some common ties even though they are not so strong as their rivalry).
And about Asteria... im not that sure about who is "the leading" part of Asteria, if either Serbia or Romania. Clearly all the press, media and etc is focused on Serbia because eHistory had wars focused in the Croatia-Serbia neverending conflict. But currently... im starting to think Romania actually does more than it seems they do.
I was just talking about Bulgaria not other countries. I agree countries are not whole but the Serbian sympathizers were much powerful side in Bulgaria. They even had a talk with Serbia to make MPP before the whole Adriatica and Syndicate thing. I don't know who rules Asteria but I am sure Serbia's presence prevents Hun-Ro war.
J211 you are lying! When we were antiAsteria we have never approached an Asterian/proAsterian countries. The only country we tried to sign a MPP with was Turkey and they refused. Then everyone knows the story why we were pushed into Asterian side.
I'd say that Croatia and Greece failed all the antiAsteria coalition and the recent events prove it.
Ryū ga waga teki wo kurau!!!!!
though don't send anything , just wanted you to know that someone even in 2click still reads you xD
oh and that Alizee gif :3
Two people only have fully read it :'(...
Interesting to read
kick yosemitysam out of Chile and they will be again on the right path,,,
Very well written!
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Q of the Game goes to Hanz, wait nop Bastion stole all your kills, sucks to be you mate.
Good one, voted o/
Hail Asteria o7
''They also left Hungary and Poland alone so they would not oppose them and they simply won.''
We are friends with both Poland and Hungary.
Not all of your side share that view... not all from their side share that view... in fact less than half in my humble opinion share that view...
Almost everyone shares that view. This sometimes makes things easier. Sometimes bit harder. But the view is consistent.
With all due respect Novel35, after having hold meetings with your rulers and Poles who wanted to leave Asteria side and join the (failed) other side, i can tell you that you are not right... xD
Great article my friend.🍻
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Ryū ga waga teki wo kurau!!!!!
Lo digo por lo mismo que el colega ivan, y me apunto a lo de Alizee: el gif más perfecto que jamás haya parido mente calenturienta.
Tírate al agua y cuenta: cómo ves el futuro, jefe?
¿Para nosotros? Habra que ver como gestiona el gov la determinacion de Hungria, si los sacamos podriamos tener paz durante un tiempo.
Por otro lado, para el resto del mundo, dominacion total de Asteria durante al menos 3 o 6 meses.
Ryū ga waga teki wo kurau!!!!!
voted! good work
I also fully read it 😛
well said...
One more time there is a proof that you can win if you are patient enough 🙂
The dragon will devour my enemies.
Anyway, I only know about a Rezo and he's Akahoshi Rezo.
I read the whole article.
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