#81 Another One of Those Kosovo Articles
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by Gambit8
Hello Readers!
Hello everyone.
I know, we have many Kosovo related articles, but I hope this one will at least change a few people’s opinions.
Now I know the vote is almost over and I don’t think it’ll make any difference whatsoever, my aim is in fact to get people to calm down.
Well, basically, there are many articles floating around, most of which are abusing Kosovo and whatever, now of course, I think this is wrong. Abuse of any kind is wrong.
I understand that people in the Balkans are quite patriotic, and I respect that, but there is a limit, there is a fine line between being patriotic and a nationalist. Nationalism usually, not always, but usually brings out the worst in people and makes people abusive and even violent in some cases.
Many of you may not know the political situation in Kosovo at the moment but basically the region that was once Serbia decided they did not want to be part of Serbia anymore. Things heated up and Serbians began to move out of Kosovo into pro-Serbian territory. So people who said the Albanians or generally Pro-Kosovo people kicked the Serbians out of the region are incorrect. The Serbian voluntarily left to be in a more comfortable environment. At the moment only 7% of the people in Kosovo are Serbian.
Now, what is a country?
A country is a self-governed political entity that controls a particular territory.
Kosovo had it’s first real elections in November 2007 so as of the end of that election, Kosovo became self-governed and could then declare independence, in early 2008, they did indeed declare independence.
Now those Serbians that are annoyed about this, then yeah, I’d be rather annoyed too, but at the end of the day, you’re getting abusive and violent. If you’re like this, is it any wonder they don’t want to be part of such a country?
Lets take Scotland for example. If Scotland were to get it’s own government that is not influenced by the rest of the UK and declared independence then I would personally think of it as a great shame, I’d be rather annoyed about it but would I be angry at the Scots? Not really, it’s their choice, it’s their freedom to do so. The world changes, nothing can stop that, it’s up to us to change with it and accept the changes. Fair enough if a certain change was absolutely outrageous but this isn’t. This is just a group of people wanting to call a place their home.
Kosovo is a country, it passed the technical definition of a country and as Serbia has little to no influence over that territory then I don’t see the point in not recognising it as a country. Think of it like a spot on your face, you can ignore it all you like, but it’s still there. Or think of it like your neighbours house, you can claim it’s yours all you like, it’s not going to make a difference.
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eRepublik is a place where we can re-write history. Perhaps we can have a world in which Serbia and Kosovo get along just fine.
If you keep fighting against Kosovo, they won’t vote for you in eurovision. 😛
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Just thought of Eurovision because Ireland and UK always vote each other.
Now, don’t get this article wrong. I’m not saying to vote for Kosovo as independent, that’s just my opinion. I’m saying, whatever you do vote, just make it your own choice and afterwards don’t fight, don’t be racist, how about we all just get along?
One thing that caught my attention was the thing about Turkey and how Serbia aren’t happy they voted for an independent Kosovo. Turkey used their own minds and voted for what they believed to be right, are you really going to abuse and entire country for having an opinion?
You’d look (and feel) a lot better if you just be nice, state your opinion in a calm and civil way instead of marking anyone who disagrees to be a traitor and inferior.
Thanks for reading, please don’t leave any hate in the comments, if you want to disagree then go ahead, just be civil about it.
countries that recognise Kosovo as a country for anyone that was unsure of where the majority of the people stand in each country.
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pertamaxx
DAMN LAMER! I bet he is drunk...
one of the few decent articles about kosovo, you got yourself a vote...
🙂 Thanks Squibeel.
Kosovo is a part of Serbia and it cant be independent cuz UN hasn't recognized it yet. And don't forget that UK is one of the main countries in the UN and which accepted the terms that country can't be independent until Russia, USA, UK, China and France don't recognize it.
And they have government only cuz NATO forced Serbia too let them have it. So don't write of something that you don't know, maybe you think that' right but you only know that what western propaganda tell you to know.
Although the article is quite coloured (Your opinion is all over it) - I appreciate that you are taking the time to write this, and staying civil while explaining your reasons for voting for an independent eKosovo.
I personally do not care about the real life situation, in my opinion eKosovo shouldn't have been added at all. especially since it's such a controversial issue.
HOWEVER, since they have decided to add Kosovo as a region we'd all be better off if the region were to be part of eSerbia. Simply put; the balkan is enough of a war region at the moment. I feel admin is just trying to leech more money out of this, another country is another war front - and another player base spending gold. Also; I understand voting for eKosovo as an independent region is a spit in the face to all eSerbians, since they are the rightful owners of the region. Since eSerbia is our ally currently, my decision was made rather quickly.
While all those IRL facts might be true Will of York. There's something in which the Serbians don't understand.
This is a game.
This is a game of possibilities, different paths and WHAT IFs.
If you guys can't understand that, please don't play it, you're missing the point.
Voted for one of the only rational articles on the subject.
Nazafyn makes some good points, and I know my opinion is all over it, but it's one of those discussions where you really can't hide your opinion. The aim of this article of course, was not to offend anyone.
Also, Will of York, just because the UN hasn't recognised it as a country does not make it not a country. Also USA and France have recognised it as a country.
I'll edit in a map of the countries that have recognised it. But as I said with my examples, just because you don't recognise it, it doesn't make it not so.
And as you said, NATO forced them to have a government. Perhaps they did, perhaps they didn't it's a very debatable topic. The fact is though that they DO have a government, therefore they are a country.
Now I'm not saying your point of view is wrong, I'm just saying we should look at the bottom line, and the bottom line is the fact Kosovo is a self-governed political entity that occupies a particular territory therefore is passed the definition of a country regardless of whether someone recognises it or not.
A reasonable article, not really gave much of the articles on this subject a vote but it was polite and deserved it.
I, however, like to play games on the internet. And welcome the introduction of another e-country to either fight with or against.
Or is someone going to start addressing the morality of the e-obesity problem of excessive bread eating?
Also Will of York, the UK government didn't recognize Ireland as an independent country at one point in history.
SEE HOW THAT WORKED OUT MOTHER FKER
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Scotland is not a good example. It doesn't have meaning and value for Englishmen as Kosovo and Metohija has for Serbs.
Also, Will of York made a good point. K and M has attributes of a country only because of a foreign force (NATO) providing it. This ,,country'' has no sovereignty and legitimate institutions. Its army, parliament, courts, government are installed by superior military force, not by own citizens.
"Or is someone going to start addressing the morality of the e-obesity problem of excessive bread eating?"
I'll get to work.
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voted, good article.
You know little about this issue, to write about it, and generally you are not informed correct. (My sub still stays)
voted, good article based on the sound reasoning
@atrej..your comment has no legal ground, because more then 90% of population of Kosovo supports its institutions, which makes them legitimate. Just because the Serbian minority choose to not actively participate in the parliament's elections of Kosovo, does not make the institutions of Kosovo not legitimate.
@gambit... even when you were pro-Serbian in this game (due to alliance relations of UK) I have always supported your articles and been one of your first subscribers (first 20 for sure).. wish you have the time to write more
@antwone
Once again, institutions I mentioned exist only because foreign military force behind it, so ''independant Kosovo'' is just a ''banana republic'', puppet state without self sovereignty. If so called institutions would determine states, then Palestine would be an independent state long time ago, Baskia, Kurdistan, Kashmir too, not to mention Republika Srpska Krajina or Republika Srpska.
Again, Scotland's independence wouldn't effect Welsh, Irish or English people at all 'cause Scotland's not culturally, historically, spiritually, religiously and ethnically homeland for those nations members, unlike Kosovo and Metohija is for Serbs.
And a question for author: Is the map in your article based on natural resources of Kosovo or on its occupation zones? Or maybe foreign troops ARE natural resources of Kosovo?
http://turkeymacedonia.files.wordpress.com/2010/07/kosovo-zones.jpg
Atrej, The UK's constituent nations are extremely inter-connected in terms of heritage, ancestry, bloodlines and culture. We are almost the same, except for lingering traditions.
I do, however, see the point that Kosovo's "legitimate" government is about as legitimate as Karzaid's in Afghanistan. But if Kosovo decided to be independent, would Serbia have let them have a choice?
As to eKosovo, I voted in favour of Serbia, as I want to crush the admin's fun and support our alliance.
"Also Will of York, the UK government didn't recognize Ireland as an independent country at one point in history."
>Culturally, economically and militarily dependent on the UK
>Good work
great article
Atrej, the map is of the regions of Kosovo. However there are different foreign troops located in the different regions. 🙂
Thanks again for anyone that took the time to read my article. And I have to disagree with anyone that says I don't know enough on the subject, when in fact I do, the only difference is, is the fact I haven't experienced the atmosphere first-hand, so in that sense I can't make an accurate judgement.
I based my opinion on facts, rather than experiences.
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"Things heated up and Serbians began to move out of Kosovo into pro-Serbian territory. So people who said the Albanians or generally Pro-Kosovo people kicked the Serbians out of the region are incorrect. The Serbian voluntarily left to be in a more comfortable environment. At the moment only 7% of the people in Kosovo are Serbian."
i wrote for almost an hour response on this article, and than i understood that there is no purpose to explain to someone, who never saw real war, what it means for a man, as human being, to leave his home and everything he posses, to leave graves of his ancestors in order to save his family. I really hope that you will never have to experiance it on your own akin.
"when things heated up" and albanians fleed kosovo, those poor people was rightfully called refugees and serbia was bombed by NATO to stop that madness. I, as a serb, am saying this without a moment of consideration or doubt. Serbia arrested and prosecuted complete milosevic's government and himself together with all war generals and other who comitted war crimes. We, who faught against milosevic, did best we could at that moment.
Sadly, comments like the one i quoted, hurts the most!
"when things heated up" and 150k serbian refugees fleed kosovo, in 21.century, in the middle of europe, people of civilised europe are saying, quote "The Serbian voluntarily left to be in a more comfortable environment". Belive me, no one leaves his whole life behind, voluntarily.
Did you know that in years 1998/1999, just before NATO bombing,albanian terorist groups killed over 1000 civilians, mainly peasants in isolated serbian villages in southern kosovo. Did you know that albanians torched over 200 medival churches mainly from 12-15 century in year 2004? Those are data confirmed by UNICEF. Did you know that serbs in kosovo, today, cant go even to supermarket without the escort of KFOR soldiers?
Concerning those 7% of serbs still living in kosovo, wait 2 more years and there will be 0%.
As I said, I haven't experienced it myself first-hand. But at the end of the day, you can't judge an entire country by a selected few.
I bet is a Kosovo-an lived in Serbia, you'd do exactly the same thing. Things have been tense between Kosovo and Serbia even before independence and everybody within each area has been taught to hate each other.
All the Serbian articles on this subject have been filled with racism. Do you really think racism is going to end a war?
In fact a couple of weeks ago, 4 NATO soldiers were hurt due to Serbians still living there decided to turn against them.
NATO were encouraging ethnic Serbs to take security jobs, in this case they were working at border control posts. This was a way of trying to keep the peace. The Serbs then turned against the NATO soldiers that are only there to keep the peace.
And unprovoked attack. In fact, these Serbs probably had no trouble from the Albanians as they were helping NATO, yet they still attacked.
Now stop trying to push all this onto Kosovo, you're both as bad as each other and you know it. The war used to have reason, but now it's just hate that drives such a war. If there was non of this racism and hate then the war would have been settles long ago because after this attack by the Serbs talks between Serbia and Kosovo were postponed... ...again. If each country would give each other a chance to negotiate something then things could turn out a lot better.