[SFPOM] The Dis-United States of America
Max Tse Tung
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There will never be unity in our eRepublic.
To anyone who hasn't already noticed there are many vultures in disguise who attempt to make calls for unity, an absolutely futile endeavor.
Obviously these calls miss the reality of the state of our politics.
The rivalries run to deep. The grudges have been held for years. The fighting amongst our parties has always been rampant. To make a call for unity is to regurgitate the same tired old rhetoric many establishmentarians have espoused since before my time, and according to others, much longer than that.
Forget it.
WTP hates the FEDS, hates the SFP, Tolerates the USWP, and works with BSP when they consider them useful.
The FEDS engage in a transactional quid-pro-quo Coalition with the SFP only when we can be a useful voting bloc, In general works against and at best tolerates WTP, Loves the USWP, And pretty much disregards BSP.
BSP considers themselves some kind of oppressed outcast group and isn't really interested or capable of maintaining long term coalitions with any party but somewhat works with WTP. They consider the FEDS, USWP, and the SFP as establishment parties.
USWP flip flops constantly and is generally divided into a pro-FED-SFP coalition Bloc and a Pro-WTP bloc and as such is incapable of being an effective voting bloc for either side of that divide. Views on BSP in this party seems to be pretty divided as well.
And lastly the SFP lacks the activity and organization to be a meaningful voting bloc, capitulates to the FEDS anytime a candidate from the FEDS with even a chance of winning steps up, has for a long time forgotten it's attempt to work and unify with BSP, Hates WTP with a burning passion, and consistently fails to find ally ship with USWP for a multitude of reasons.
If you disagree with this analysis that's fine, tell me why. Unless of course you disagree with me that unity is impossible -Don't even try you just look foolish-
Accept the reality. Stop whining. Build something meaningful with what you got and recognize that the two largest parties were built on account-sharing and multi-usage.
Keep the rivalries, that's what makes this game fun. And absolutely mock, ridicule, and humiliate these right wing and centrist fools who consistently see you as a political convenience, and down right wish ill upon you in their eSmoke filled back rooms.
I said what I said and I'm not sorry.
And yes before you start pointing fingers I'm guilty of the same behavior I have just called out, and though that does make me a hypocrite I had my reasons for doing it that are not worth sharing at this time.
Anyway, stop being so afraid of division and embrace it. The Feds will never win another CP election as long as WTP runs viable candidates, neither will the SFP short of a miracle.
lastly, just try to have some damn fun please. Make of this game what you can but don't let anyone take the fun out of it because if you do that there's not even a point in playing.
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I think they are just way too stupid to get it. You GOT IT PERFECTLY!
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I love the SFP fwiw *shrug*
And I think your analysis is overfitting to the last 3 months
Well idk what any disaffected unity pusher can do with politics like this. I don't have solutions to the problem. Maybe we get like 100 certified therapists to join the game. hell if I know.
I think that unity is a matter of perspective. People are all separate from each other in many core, fundamental ways that make oneness impossible. But depending on the goal in which unity is ascertained in respect to, unity is possible. But I think the political issues you bring to attention are valid and important.
Honestly, I agree with much of what you said, it is a very accurate portrayal of many groups from what I have seen. Even BSP, some attitudes we have can very much be what you described and, at times, can be difficult to work with many of us because of it.
I also miss the days back when I was much more active on the forums and lead BSP and used to work with SFP on things. There were some great and kind members that aren't around anymore. Nowadays, not all, there seem to be some among the leading members that just look down on us and refuse to work with us. But, I understand there will always be some like that.
Last bit is what I disagree with. I think you're over pushing the 'there will never be unity' gambit. While I do know there will always be those that live off disunity and will always disagree with others and will always argue (each party has members like that), it doesn't mean the larger picture and larger majority of players can be more friendly than we have been. That we can cultivate a nicer culture amongst us. Hell, I do agree that it's fun to mess around sometimes and get into some spats. I do it. There are some players that I love to rag on and I love to troll and joke around sometimes, but there is a point where it's beyond civility and common decency, even on the internet. Some in the eUSA have ingrained a dislike for particular people and groups into their very being and well, that ain't very healthy.
BSP = Bull 💩 party
Pretty accurate.. surprisingly....
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Fully disagree
I call Democracy in USA with Peace !
"BSP considers themselves some kind of oppressed outcast group and isn't really interested or capable of maintaining long term coalitions with any party but somewhat works with WTP. "
If you mean anytime we worked with another party BSP held up our end then got screwed, so we couldn't maintain a long term coalition you are correct. In the beginning I was interested in trying to work with other parties with the exception of USWP because they were the most openly abuse toward us at the time. After trying to work with other parties only to find they just wanted our votes and never giving anything in return or finding ways to break deals I was discouraged from trying to work with them again.
Lately I have been trying to look past any old grudges. I would like to try to move forward to try to help create a stronger eUSA instead of focusing on the past which would get us nowhere.
As for the "we consider ourselves oppressed outcast group" eh guess that part is true we are outcasts that were oppressed lol. 😛
I think your analysis of the "right now" is correct. But your thesis that the current situation is inevitable is ignoring the history these parties and people have had before the right now. Alliances used to be different. Some of the big talking heads in some of these parties used to be different. A lot of the 'us vs. them' in the current parties is largely due to these big talking heads (or you could call them another body part, a bit further south....) and their incendiary grandstanding. Things will change, as they always have and always will. 'Unity' is not exactly a measurable state of being either, so some people will consider us closer to it than others at any given time...
I also love SFP but actually enjoyed them/the game more when there was a larger political player-base and SFP were a 6th party. They were more active internationally and more useful in their critiques
Truth.
Enjoyed the read and honestly within it. Takes a lot to be this level of honest, including accepting a role within it. o7
wtf are you talking about, 'this level of honest', do you lie with regularity like KrapGnil?
Yup, I would say that sums it up well. The issue of is rooted in those people and those people would have to change for there to be unity. Their inability or unwillingness to change, to stay in control have them keeping those who try to build, down and fighting each other.
Excellent article.
Brutally Honest and Truthful.
Required reading for all eUS citizens.
FIST
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Long Live Osmany Ramon!
For what it is worth, I do agree with the general message. The games ingrained history does offer some history in the form of rivalry. A purely unified country and electorate would get rather boring for those not at its top in the negotiation and dealings with loftier international intrigue.
I have been in the USWP for a long time (actively and not so actively), I think your criticism on the lack of a voting bloc is accurate mostly due to the nature of the party. We have some great voices in the party and a lot of folks with a long staying power who have their own ideas of each party, I am sure.
I myself have no outstanding issues with any party, I might as well list my personal views as someone who really doesn't look to the past too much:
WTP - WTP seems to me, to be the closer counterpart to IRL conservative movements, albeit the more aggressive ones. It has created around itself a cult of personality which is fun and intriguing for the game. Although to me the party sometimes comes of as bullheaded about some things. Big personalities often have big things to say, nothing wrong with that until there is.
FEDS - I find the Federalist Party to be the most aligned to myself, and my party. We seem to be able to reach across the table on a very many issues and ideas on the game. I very often find myself interacting with folks from the Feds because they are they outgoing in their attempts to make things more fun. I appreciate it. They seem to get that this is a game, it is meant to be fun.
BSP - BSP to me comes off as a bunch of angry boomers, I apologize about the characterization but to me that is how I see you guys. The unwillingness to engage over perceived slights years ago along with the general nastiness I have interacting with BSP folks is a huge turn off for me. Aesthetically, when I see BSP I picture folks with long grey beards, American flag bandanas and motorcycles. Not saying that is bad! Just what I see.
SFP - I don't mind SFP, much at all. I appreciate the amount of work the party does especially the work that goes into their writing. There is almost always a SFP related or adjacent article in the news listings and that is commendable. My own issues with SFP lie mostly with my own political opinions in the real world, which I leave at the virtual door when I come to the game as best I can. I cannot get behind radical leftism/anarchism, but I am more than willing to look past it especially in a browser based political simulator. Word of warning as well, nailing my irl political preferences may be more difficult than you assume, I have a lot of real life political opinions that fit no broader established category.
Well that is it, I thought about making my own article, but I don't see it as entirely necessary.
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I am close aren't I? Haha.
Not close at all Mal, but I can only speak for myself. I did find the comment funny tho. 😛
I don't really like any of you
i like you, tho!
you seem like an awesome person.
this is a very interesting and brutally honest article about the condition of the politics in e-USA.
now, regarding the state of alliances between political parties, i think that things should happen like this, as an outsiders opinion, ofcourse:
since the WTP hates both the FEDS and the SFP at the same time, then
the SFP and the FEDS should form a tight coalition together against the WTP at all times, in any occasion.
as for the other major parties in e-USA (apart from the WTP, the FEDS and the SFP),
i think that the BSP should remain either an independent political power (as they claim themselves to be), OR, to actually form a coalition with whoever they deem best as their allies : either the WTP party with whom they cooperate occasionally with,
or to cooperate with an actual independent (smaller) party such as the ''E plurimus unum party'' (EPU), the ''american freedom alliance'' (AFA) and/or with the ''american military party'' (AMP), to name a few of the smaller, but actually independent parties in e-USA's ranks.
as for the USWP, since it flip flops constantly between a pro-FED+SFP coaltion and a pro-WTP bloc, then they should decide, to either join a coalition with FEDS+SFP, or to assist the WTP party constantly and without any switches in their support base.
alternatively, one could say that the flip-flop, machiavelian tactics of the USWP could work towards their best interests, so it might be good for them in the long run, but its not looking good for their image, if i have to be honest.
lastly, the SFP needs to get more active and to become a driving force in e-USA, while it should also forge an active coalition along with the FEDS party, which is (either genuinely or not) its best/biggest ally at the moment.
as i personally like the SFP party with its good userbase and i've seen good results from the FEDS party, i am a bit prejudiced towards those 2 parties...
but i must say that chickensguys did a good work as a CP and on behalf of the WTP party, mostly in his affairs with the CODE alliance and in his work on keeping the government of e-USA organized and active for the most part.
i dont like how some of the members of the WTP party behave and how they treat their political opponents, but i could say that their rivals havent been kind to them either, so in times like these i always like the smaller, more independent parties of e-USA.
with that thought aside, i cant help but notice that you havent mentioned the new emerging power party in e-USA.
the ''506'' party!
this new party has an interesting story in it, and it acts as the political branch of the legendary american MU named as ''easy company''.
as that MU was already very old, well-established and with great victories under its belt, it was quite odd as to how they've never had a party earlier and they only did it nowadays...
i guess its better late than never, huh?
either way, its good to see a political party to be the new branch of the ''easy company'' MU, and it hope the best for them.
they have 36+ members in their ranks currently(mostly from their big MU), and they are one of the top 6th parties in the e-USA.
their upcoming path will be interesting to see in the future.
this is my political talk and i like observing e-USA's politics.
feel free to correct me or to discuss with me about this, but (i say this to all), do it in a polite and civilized manner.
thank you.
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lets get this MM medal...
yes
Ironic article considering you cursed me out via PM today.
I’m not calling for unity, so I fail to see the irony. You are one of those fools who should be mocked until you leave the game lol