Referendum - Why Staying In Sirius is a Must
Ayame Crocodile
Given the outcome of the Presidential Election it seems we will be having a referendum very shortly. One which will have a long lasting effect on the eUK’s prospects and it’s for that reason that I’m writing this to put forward the reasons why it is vital the eUK remains a member of Sirius.
I intend to keep this as matter of fact and waffle free as simple, And whilst this is an article with reason why voting to stay In Sirius is the best course of action, I will also try to publish another article with reasons as to why voting to leave Sirius is a bad (very very bad) idea.
You may think that the reasons will be the same but there are some that apply more to staying in as a positive and others that apply more to leaving being a negative.
Anyway onto the matter at hand.
#1 Demotion from a Privileged Position
This is an important fact that seems to be overlooked by many; The eUK isn’t as strong nor important as we as eUK’ers think. On the world stage we are merely a mid level nation, Only slightly bigger than our new trial member Ukraine, we offer less than half the damage output of the next smallest nation by damage in sirius, Turkey.
Now that it’s been made clear the point should hopefully be obvious to all. We are lucky to be a full fledged founding member of one of the two true alliances. Most nations around our size and ability are either ‘Pro’ or in the satellite mini me alliances built for the nations that are seen as not important enough to be full members of the true alliance but still important enough that their damage is wanted. Think Portugal or France.
It’s a sad state of affairs but the big nations survive by keeping their alliance doors closed to the majority so that the aims and interests don’t become too disparate.
Should the eUK leave Sirius we would no longer sit at the top table of either of the world alliances. It is inconceivable that we would ever get accepted into Asteria, even if we wanted to. We have nothing to offer them but trouble and they are heavily concentrated in one area.
So we would have a future out in the wilderness, with only the smaller alliances as a possibility, which I’ll discuss in the next article.
#2 Geographical Superiority of Sirius
Two things truly matter when choosing an alliance, First can the other nations involved be worked with and secondly are they in a position to actually help if it’s needed.
So lets take a look at the nations around us, the damage they deal and which alliance they are a member of:
When you factor in that Asgard and LETO are aligned with Asteria whilst Aurora, Pro Sirius and Sirius are aligned it becomes pretty clear that the eUK is surrounded by nearly entirely friendly nations whilst the alternate alliances are far far weaker in our region.
Equally obvious (except for Chile whilst they remain in Europe) is that Poland is by far and away the strongest nation in the region.
Now do we prefer to work with the strong nations around us which we already have good ties with and are happy to help us or to become the next eFrance and face a permanent wipe?
#3 What Goes Around, Comes Around
It’s often said that alliances come and go, And whilst that’s very true, what’s forgotten is the importance of being in the right place at the right time... or more truthfully being on the right terms with the right nations.
When things do change, and they will eventually, what matters is that the eUK is in a position to remain in the inner circle of powers no matter which alliance it ends up being.
However the eUK doesn’t hold the strategic nor military weight to do so, She does however have one very strong reason to get into the big alliances. Our close relationship with ePoland.
You see in the New World, Alliances always form around the powerful nations, Others gravitate towards them like celestial bodies. And one of those powerful nations that can build alliances and gets invited into the founding is ePoland.
Some may not like to hear it, But tagging along is in our best interest.
Whether one day the two current ‘big boys’ of ePoland and eSerbia patch things up and work together again or not, The fact of the matter is that ePoland will hold sway and by remaining loyal and close to them we may too.
Without this relationship we are a bit part at best and will be seen as ‘Pro’ whatever the future alliance is, as opposed to being a full member with all the rights and guarantees of support that such a position entails.
#4 History of Support
Whilst this point is similar to #2 it’s good to be reminded of. It’s nice to have big allies that have the right location to help but what is even nicer is knowing that they actually will.
In the last 2 years we have received direct support from ePoland on many many occasions, In fact in that time every wipe the eUK has faced ePoland has launched counter NE’s to come to our aid.
The crazy thing about this referendum is that at this very moment ePoland are fighting eArgentina to help us. That anyone should have the bare faced ingratitude to such a committed friend whilst they are in the very act of defending our nation is to me bewildering.
In closing
I hope that these simple points have shown at least a few of the many reasons as to why we should remain in Sirius. I’m glad this referendum has finally been called and I hope that the vast majority of the eUK recognises the superior position that our membership in Sirius brings and that we assert our commitment to the alliance and our allies.
Thus far there has been no reason given as to why we should even consider leaving and I hope that people will vote for what makes the most logical sense for the benefit of the eUK.
Right, well that’s article one done. Expect more.
Hail eUK!
Hail Sirius!
Comments
Great to see. Was planning my own but this is far better. BigAnt and co don't even have a plan for after they leave Sirius and if they do they haven't told us yet
Excellent article, very much echos my own thoughts.
"The crazy thing about this referendum is that at this very moment ePoland are fighting eArgentina to help us. That anyone should have the bare faced ingratitude to such a committed friend whilst they are in the very act of defending our nation is to me bewildering."
This!
Voted
I hope we stay in Sirius, as you've said Poland has bailed us out far to many times. Overall a good article.
Aye, you're right there.
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To be honest I'm in the camp that is should have been put to the public in the first place as it is a huge decision...that being said you leave Sirius and you leave the map. Simple as that.
So was I Hugh, But I am with others who said they would have liked it to have been a referendum but would've voted for it anyway.
So here is our chance.
double ditto
USA isn't proSirius they mind their own buissnes
France/Canada/Norway/Sweden attacked us in the past and were successfull at that
Ireland is totaly unimportant factor
Germany/Netherlands/Belgium are most of the time wiped so Poland can have bonuses
Chile will be driven out of Europe soon I think
Poland isn't that strong as you say and have nothing in UK they will gain that is usefull
'I respect the member countries of Sirius and hope that we can continue to have positive interactions and relationships with all of them on a by-country basis. The USA for its part will remain pro-Sirius and make every effort to honor the spirit of the alliance even if, in practice, we will no longer be fully participating.'
From the eUSA President when they left Sirius. They are still Pro Sirius.
Indeed our neighbours have attacked us in the past, And who may I ask came to save us?
Welp... It was ePoland again!
Germany/Netherlands and Belgium all work with Poland and are all our allies.
Chile leaving changes little as France will only be wiped by USA and Poland in combination again.
Poland is the strongest nation in the game and is right on our doorstep.
I beg to differ but that is your opinion and I respect that
Plus Poland isn't strongest country here 😛
You can't beg to differ with statistics.
http://prntscr.com/40ar3t
Read 'em and weep.
They win out with influence even with less fighters
Egov is broke, a lot of player accounts have been deleted, or at least aren't showing up. Here's a more accurate reflection of damage output: http://i.imgur.com/vwCr2Q8.png Serbs still no.1
USA is pro-Sirius, just pro-Sirius-minus-Spain 😛
I feel that, Spain are always an obstacle
They are the main reason we left
Just wanted to clarify: We (NL) are not wiped most of the time. We rent out two of our regions to Poland and we have the other two regions. We are, arguably, more stable than we have ever been and we have been on the map for one of the longest times in the history of eRepublik.
The same is true of Germark. Belgium is not wiped most of the time. When they were wiped by recent air strikes, they were soon freed by help from Sirius and friends. They were wiped longer term last year, but at the request of the government as an ATO measure, which unfortunately did not work because the people didn't have the will to wait it out. So you are wrong on each of these counts, just as lancer shows about the Netherlands.
No matter what is said, people will not change their views, they are too entrenched for any kind of information. A debate or any form of information won't change peoples minds, as great as that would be.
Very good points, personally, I would say that right now is bad timing on alliance discussions. A democratic decision has to be made but as pointed out our current allies are fighting to liberate us right now. Furthermore, as touched upon in the article, we are in a privileged position but we are not the only people who know it. I am surprised that Poland is fighting for us at all when we have elected an anti-Sirius CP who swears at the polish CP on IRC. At the least we should be grateful for that!
IMO, sirius, or pro-superpower neutrality. We should not join another alliance, because we will be a sirius target, and that will not work out well for us. !
If neutrality would be ever possible, that would be the best solution. Saves us a lot of cash.
When I pulled us out of Terra we were neutral for three or more months and it was p great
being pro-sirius is worse in my opinion. We'll still be a target but have far less/no support
That's why I said pro a super power!
ah yeah gotcha 😛
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Asteria wouldn't have us anyway and Sirius won't soon either. There's a much bigger problem at hand. The society is fundamentally broken here.
Chile would veto you for Aurora also...so LETO would be your possible next point of call. *waves hello*
Agreed on the first part, And the second will soon happen if we let those who have failed in diplomatic affairs in the past continue to affront our allies in such a way.
That's the biggest point about leaving Sirius being stupid, Asteria won't have us and neither would Leto, I highly doubt Aurora would as well... so what would be the point in leaving exactly?
I'm curious to see what the few pro leaving people will use as their arguments.
Dr Hugh, I'm fairly convinced that France, Canada and even you guys have enough reasons to veto us entering LETO as well... Not to mention the trouble all the LETO nations near us are always in.
What did we do to chile?
Kravenn insulted em I think...
Excellent article. Everything in it is common sense.
Great read, and well argued. But the eUK's membership of Sirius has been a disaster for the Brits imo, issues of your standing in any future alliance you might join really shouldn't cloud your judgement on that point. As someone who has fought against the eUK for years [due to alliance breakdown] so much of your strength always came from your close relationship with Serbia. Since that relationship was cancelled we've seen the eUK attacked/wiped countless times, the actual count is probably even higher than all the attacks the UK suffered over the entire duration of ONE/TWO. So I don't see how the UK getting founder status really gave you a privileged position in the alliance, if we base that on the lacklustre military support you's get.
Also the geographical superiority of Sirius isn't correct imo. I don't believe Sirius have any natural borders with the UK, outside of the US and Germark -- neither of whom are actual Sirius countries. Whereas LETO/Asgard have numerous borders with the UK. The Chileno issue is significant however, with them in Europe, and due to their relationship with Ireland through Aurora, the UK are probably best served remaining in Sirius. But that's only really due to that very exceptional circumstance.
Lrn2history - eUK was first wiped about 3 years ago 🙂
What has the eUK's "first" wipe got to do with anything?
you said
"so much of your strength always came from your close relationship with Serbia. Since that relationship was cancelled we've seen the eUK attacked/wiped countless times"
Just pointing out how long ago the first wipe was is all 🙂
Tbh honest about the situation, I can remember us getting wiped much more frequently and for much longer under ONE/TWO. Also, our alliance with Serbia broke down quite some time ago now. It's not particularly important who our strongest ally was 3 years ago. What is important is who has been our strongest and most faithful ally over the past year and who is our best ally right now. Whatever the merits of Serbia, (& they are many) Poland have been our strongest and closest ally for quite some time. Add in the fact that the eUK is in the midst of a hostile Serbian PTO... and that Poland is repelling an attempted wipe of the eUK by an enemy superpower, on our behalf... and any opposition to such an alliance becomes little more than semantics and empty rhetoric...
Afraid I have to disagree there as it's always been the Poles who have bailed us out whilst Serbia has concentrated soley on their own interests before helping out allies, a prime example was when the eUK faced battle on 3 fronts and it was Poland that helped while Serbia carried on with it's expansions
Have to disagree here, both in regards were the UK's help traditionally came from, and in the characterization of Serbia as being selfish. I'm not claiming the Poles weren't there for the UK, but as I recollect -- having had to fight against them -- it was in the main Serbs (of the UK's allies) we were fighting, that was always the case as I remember, especially during ONE. I'm not sure what these "expansions" of Serbia were, historically its Poland who've prioritized bonuses over everything else, not Serbia.
People so easily forget history in erep. Serbia are of course the country we have to thank the most over the longest, but I can see why people might prioritize poland from more recent history. Another angle is who is still around. Clueless, Kistru, Baltazar8, Unihorn, Coolinbun, all the pro UK Serb leaders are long gone, and a bunch much cooler towards us has long held sway.
I was never around for ONE, and can only comment on what has been visible to me during the short time I've been playing, and in that time it's been the Polish who have come to the rescue while the Serbians have concentrated on maintaining their empire first and foremost
Actually Talon, It's not that the main people in Serbia stopped liking you, it's that Keers betrayed and sold out Serbia. Sucking up to Poland since the end of ONE and always supporting them in all manners is why Serbia dislikes you now, simple.
The proUK Serbs hardly exist now, thank Keers and co. o7
Big v o/
Hail Sirius! \o/
MASSSIVE V!! Amazing article!!! really really really great!
I don't agree with the method with which we entered Sirius, but I do agree with the outcome. At any rate, should we for some daft reason decide to leave, I'll only be fighting for eUK cores and Pro-Sirius.
i'd go and do a Dapper special and issue orders to fight for the Poles against the Serbs, Dapper did the opposite in the Serbian v Croation conflict recently, as if it's okay for him to do it then it's okay for the rest of us also
I won't put myself at that level. I know where I believe our loyalties should lie but I think that shouting things like that just make us as a country look bad. I won't fight for what I don't agree with but I won't make things even more difficult for the eUK by pretending my opinion is anymore important than an elected one. I don't have a right to direct people's damage like that