One group2 opinion about the wipe
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by JdlF
Hello everyone,
As asked by boer jan : Confusion Part 2 , I’ve written a small paper. Ideas are not fully expended or such. I let the interested reader thinking about the few point I developed a bit.
Group 2 represents eBE citizens who are against the ideas of the group 1. Group 1 representing citizens strongly against PTOers and requesting a permanant / long wipe.
This argumentation is mainly based on the fact: wipe is used in a way of dealing with the PTO threat in eBelgium.
1. Is the wipe effective?
Not really, as you can see, the supposed PTOers are still here. They even managed to block a governmental PTO attempt on their assumed main party (DEFIANCE) and stroke back on Res Belgica.
2. What do they want?
It is now clear that they don’t want to steal eBelgium golds (our treasury is empty and the remaining is still out of CP hands [or should be]). Neither they are here for medals or earning through taxes because we have seen they are able to pay multiple resistances wars meaning that they have some assets. The military unit where they are is functioning right. After few researches I (and certainly few others) concluded few months ago they are here either for power or changes. Which I believe is quite normal in such a world.
3. What do we risk if we are PTOed?
We risk a lack of freedom we already have lost during this wipe. Can they do more? Not really… They could get us into international troubles meaning that we would be wiped… we already are. Most of the treasury is already secured, same goes for public MU and the external forum. Therefore where is the real risk? Of course they could take control for years but what would we lose? The country would not be lost. It would be used by PTOers for fulfilling their goals. Again something quite normal in such a world. As pointed out by Tony Clifford, we might lose our orgs and official newspapers through them.
4. Risks of continuing the wipe
The loss of citizens is leading us to a negative snowball effect. With less citizens we are less actives, meaning that we retain less citizens… And so on. Our low activity and number makes us a perfect target from some foreign country as a country to be wiped or even a country to be PTOed. Because at the end of the day if there are only 100 active eBelgians, the PTO risk would be way higher than it is now. The reduction of PTOers would not compensate our weaker position.
5. To conclude
I do not believe the wipe is a success. I believe we have more to lose than to win. If PTOers take over eBelgium I don’t believe we would lose that much. If some PTO attempts happen once unwiped, eBelgians would be able to fight and fighting drives activity. Right now eBelgians are not fighting. During this wipe we are just sleeping.
Side notes:
This article has been viewed by few other citizens before being posted. One funny comment was the fact we'd better stay wipe to put the blame on the current government instead of trying to reverse the trend.
Another interesting comment pointed out the fact we are not working in a democratic way right now. That have been pointed out for few months in other articles. I do believe it has an impact on the overall activity. Some also wonder if it's right that we are governed by citizens from abroad.
Eventually the few persons sharing their ideas pointed out the fact we were all following state rules but that we have a different personal opinion from the government.
Regards,
JdlF
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You are right; and it is very reasonable what you are saying.
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You are against the wipe which means you are against the people who are in power which means you are a PTOer. It's simple as that. 😛
I must say that I agree with you, though they will probably try to use my approve to underestimate your words.
would not say that is so simple, a lot of the people who govern now are friends, and we are against PTO, but we see that the way that is followed goes nowhere and divide even more of those who rest, and that has to stop
It's not black or white, it's not "If you're with us you're against us". Just because they disagree with the government does *not* mean that they are PTO'ers. People like Boer Jan, jdlf and other mean well although in my opinion their logic and reason is misplaced. People like Boer Jan, jdlf and other mean well that is something that could not be said of the PTO'ers
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"They even managed to block a governmental PTO attempt on their assumed main party (DEFIANCE) and stroke back on Res Belgica."
Their Main party was Liberation Front not DEFIANCE, the got lucky one month and the month after that we took BOTH their party and we took RB back.
"Neither they are here for medals or earning through taxes because we have seen they are able to pay multiple resistances wars meaning that they have some assets. "
Another thing where you are wrong, I have screenshots and list of people who started the RW and almost all were foreigners who wanted a RW medal and FF medal.
I could go on but really I am too lazy and it wouldn't matter because you wouldn't belief me or want to believe me but your article is full of point where you are wrong or even lies. If you write such an article please sticks to facts and things that are true.
You use "lie" too much against those who don't agree with your opinion.
And the fact is, you are the only one here using lies and false propaganda.
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Based on personal opinion. Can't be lies. Can be based on fake things. I invite you to answer the same very questions in your newspaper instead of calling people liars.
Your comment could indeed use some argumentation. If you claim someone is lying, please point out the exact lies, and tell us what it should have been.
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No fake, no gay! VOTE
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I myself am a representative of the State in a way I guess, but my personal opinion is very close to the things said in this article.
I have agreed on and supported this article before it was published as did some other eBE citizens (they can say who they are if they want). We've agreed upon a lot of other things as well that we don't like in the practice of our Govt. but this article concentrates on the wipe solely.
Also, I see a lot of comments made by the PTOers - as they are labeled - that are supporting this article as well. The stuff said here are a sublimate of opinions of a group of eBE citizens that are in no way connected to them.
Power to Beavers!
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This article reflects more or less the way I feel.
many feel the same... 🙂
The bigest PTO in belgium that started all is CRISTIJAN XD watc out for him