Is democracy dying?
Day 2,704, 00:53
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by Kordak
Being concerned about the current events in our democracy I decided to write an article. I did not write this article because I am a candidate for being dictator myself, but because I strongly disagree with the procedure.
When the dictator update came it was clear for us that it was necessary to have our own dictator for safety reasons. Garmr reacted fast and he became the dictator without being chosen, but nobody saw that as a bad move since it was good that he reacted so fast. The referendum started about how we should choose our dictator and it was decided that it should be someone that would not be the president, but someone that should take a neutral stance.
In the following weeks the debate started about who should be the candidate for the dictator position. Multiple candidates came forward that were willing to do the job and so it would be logic to vote on them like we do vote on our chairman of congress when there are multiple candidates.
One of the candidates is MaartenW, currently congress member in eBelgium and the president there just a month ago. He sometimes lived in the Netherlands and he fulfilled some keykeeper position. He is strongly supported by a group, including our previous president that already left our country to join the United States of America. I think that this position should be given to someone that stays longer in the country and that we should not be influenced by people that only go for their own winning. With the commune holders that is different, since they are bringing a sacrifice for the community, I think that for those people an expatriate is fair.
Now I will be explaining the headline of my article, why is democracy dying according to me? While there are multiple candidates there still was a discussion on how we should do the vote. However when being put under more pressure by both our current dictator that wants to leave to the USA and by some individuals, that are not congress members, there was a vote started including only one name: MaartenW.
Have we forgotten the reason we voted in a national referendum for a dictatorship? To protect the democracy and the way we do things. Since when is voting with only one candidate on the list, while there are multiple, true democratic? Why are we forgetting our values and the reason we have a dictator?
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Yep really strange that there is only one candidate.
I agree with you on the weird voting procedure. But this doesn't mean democracy is dying. There is a good chance the vote on Maarten as dictator will fail because people don't agree on the procedure.
I am not saying that democracy is dead, but small steps like this make it happen that we change more and more. And if that is in direction of a non-democracy it will be democracy dying slowly.
Yep but who decided Maarten should be the only candidate. Why did we not start with the Monkey or Kordak as the only candidate?
because the people that actually participated in the debate where massively behind Maarten's candidature.
But most of them arent Congress Members and cannot vote. See the problem.
well why did no other cm's voice their opinion? oh yeah that's right they are inactives....
6 people voiced their opinion against the voting procedure.
i voiced my opinion and ideas but they get ignored
Legendardisch, maybe create your own proposals instead of complaining your opinion is ignored.
En dit is nou het kutte aan deze hele zooi. Maar 1 persoon heeft aangegeven dat hij er moeite mee zou hebben als we op deze manier zouden stemmen. Nu we dan eindelijk een stem ronde starten gaat iedereen lopen janken. Lekker kinderachtig zeg! Laat je stem dan ook is van te voren horen dan kunnen we daarop de procedure aanpassen!!!
De hele voting procedure wordt op een belachelijke manier voltrokken. Dit gebeurt er als een stemming onder druk wordt uitgevoerd. Als we gewoon geduld hadden gehad was dit nooit zo gebeurt.
Niet mee eens, er is tijd zat geweest. Een enkel voorstel is gedaan m.b.t. de procedure, maar bijval, steun of een goeie uitwerking waren ver te zoeken.
En toch werd het uitgevoerd onder de druk dat het te lang duurde. Sommige processen komen vanzelf en kan je niet af dwingen. Misschien was het beter geweest als alle congresleden middels een in-game bericht werden verzocht om nadrukkelijk hun mening te uiten op het forum.
flikker toch op. ze zijn cm ze horen op het forum te komen. als ze dat niet willen moeten ze geen cm worden.
Er waren verschillende mensen met alternatieven. Die werden weliswaar eerder geopperd dan de huidige procedure, maar toch waren er andere geluiden. Dat daar dan overheen gekeken wordt en niet meer op terug gekomen wordt (op een paar mensen na) komt doordat er niet besloten is om één van die procedures te kiezen. Totdat de vote geopend werd en het duidelijk is dat er besloten is. Vandaar ook de tegenreactie op dit moment.
Dat de CoC een congreslid op deze manier aanspreekt valt mij vies tegen. Beleefdheid en fatsoen zouden je boodschap heus niet minder krachtig maken.
Daar moet ik Kordak ook gelijk in geven. Excuus zou op zn plaats zijn.
ik ben niet alleen CoC, maar ook een burger en cm. ik heb het recht om mijn mening te uiten. en als ik een uitspraak doe als CoC zal ik dat vermelden.
Even CoC has the right to his personal opinion on matters, I remember Kordak defending vS who was then MoFA under Kordak who made a comment said something about eBelgium and defending him saying it was his personal opinion and not of the MoFA. This is very similar if not the same thing.
Fheamita je moet echt eens stoppen met je framing en oude koeien uit de sloot halen. Aan dat soort opmerkingen hebben we als gemeenschap niks om onze problemen van nu op te lossen.
Als CoC weet je dat je een zekere vorm van verantwoordelijkheid en representativiteit uitdraagt naar de buitenwereld. Hoe moeilijk is het om zo'n onprofessionele reactie recht te zetten?
typisch elite gedrag
Je had 2 maanden de tijd man, ga weg met je geduld. Ik heb pas geduld, nu ik al bijna een maand lang smeek om een dictator te verkiezen..
only 1 person was against the vote on maarten alone. the rest of the cm's gov and normal citizens that participated in the debate supported a single person vote.
so because we have lazy uninterested cm's democracy is dying?
Uh, that sounds about right. Because some PPs mess up their parties, our democracy is dying.
I guess the people who voted for those inactive CMs were not realising they were basically throwing away their vote. So indeed it's not really a democracy anymore (where the whole population decides). Instead some PPs mess up big time, causing inactive CMs to be elected, and those parties to get less power, leading to a disproportional representation of our population.
Imho this started when the admins changed the congress elections. Although to be fair the old system also had its quirks. The RL system in NL is better. You can vote for active individuals who have your opinion, even if they are almost at the bottom of the candidate list of some party. And if that person is popular he will be elected. If he's not that popular the PPs order counts. Every party gets the number of seats proportional to their number of votes.
I don't understand you're saying only one was against. Yes only Kordak was actively giving his opinion against the current procedure before it was implemented but there were a lot of people who were in favor of a different procedure. Maybe some of those are fine with the current procedure, but at first they wanted another one. I don't get the implementation of this specific voting procedure. There were no more people in favor then for a different one.
As others said already, we should have a vote on the voting procedure itself.
6 people voiced their opinion against the voting procedure.
I voiced my opinions and concerns but they got ignored. so why should i continue to voice an opinion.
Because there are people that will resist against elitist behaviour. If you have a problem with others you should not stop, you should even do more your best to make sure that you will be heard. Shoulders up and continue to defend your rights and the rights of others.
You could have written your own proposal if you feel your opinion is shared by a majority in congress. There is no law that every single opinion should be included in a law.
it doesnt matter, nobody listen
1: Ik was vanaf het begin van mening dat we te snel waren, dat heeft ons 20 congresmedailles gekost. We hadden best een paar uur langer kunnen wachten.
2: MaartenW is een geschikte kandidaat, maar inderdaad niet de enige.
3: De stemwijze maakt niet uit. Ben je voorstander van een andere kandidaat, stem vooral "Nee" met deze vraagstelling. Het volgende voorstel dat ter stemming komt zal dan hopelijk wat meer opties geven.
4: Het is al bijna 2 maanden zo dat de enige macht die CMs hebben die op het forum is. En ze krijgen er niet eens een in-game medaille voor. Het moge duidelijk zijn dat de bedoeling is dat de kandidaten zich ook beseffen dat zodra ze zich verkiesbaar stellen ze ook actief moeten zijn op het forum. En dat de PPs forum activiteit zwaar meewegen in de volgorde van de kandidaten op hun lijst. Houdt men zich hier in jouw partij niet aan, dan adviseer ik om jezelf PP-kandidaat te stellen en orde op zaken te brengen binnen jouw partij.
goud. dat is wat ze niet meer krijgen.
Ah ja, ik zie inderdaad dat ze nog wel achievements krijgen... Ik had het nog niet echt nagekeken
ik stemde niet omdat ik ook nee voor de constitutie stemden omdat er details vergeten/genegeerd worden
Oh well, nothing new.
As for your description of a suitable dictator: I fully agree it has to be someone that is not running away to another country for personal gain. On the other hand; That makes the number of players to choose from more limited in amount as there are several that do not stick to eNL "door dik en dun" and therefore, in my book at least, don't fully act for the best of eNL.
To be clear (as I'm one of those few so some people will otherwise no doubt start pointing to it); I'm not applying for the job nor am I interested in the position.
" as there are several that do not stick to eNL "door dik en dun" and therefore, in my book at least, don't fully act for the best of eNL."
I fully agree. If you love the country, you should stay.
I don't understand how you keep insisting people 'run away' and do things for 'personal gain'.
Just because several are Garmr. Not all, but several are. Most of them originally to get more weapons due to membership of a different MU (for which you don't have to change CS nowadays) others because of production bonuses and there's also a whole bunch that didn't get things their way and therefore left.
All of those reasons don't qualify as support of eNL "door dik en dun" in my book.
You seem to know exactly why people leave and what the reasons of for people to leave. At least you think you do. People leave for a lot of different reasons those that you name are just a few of the possible reasons for leaving eNL. Some people play this game different than others, some stay in one country for their whole e-life and others stay somewhere for x amount of time and move to another country. I do not think there is need to be condescending about the way others play the game just because they choose not to stay in one country the whole time. Some people like diversity and like to meet other people, see how things are done in other countries that does not mean they are not loyal. I think there is no need to me that negative of disrespectful just because others play the game different than you.
Apparently you feel addressed Fhaemita?
Yes I do, but you are evading to answer my comment Weekstrom.
There is no question in it, so there is nothing to add. And perhaps its wise for you to read again what you commented on. As said; Apparently you feel addressed while I didn't address all players that left eNL.
Lol, I rea😛 "Is Kordak Crying?" when I clicked on the link.
In my eyes we should end even vote about this and just make a unanimous decision about this.
We don't need a democratic decision, we just need the most trustful and capable person over there.
And if you know some facts, this decision is easily made.
You're definitely a better soldier than a politician. Decisions are made by our congress, not just a small elite group of people. If we don't choose our dictator it will be a true dictatorship we're living in.
Nope, the DC will do whatever congress wants.
And indeed I'm not a politician, I'm just a man with rational thoughts who is hanging around here for more then 7 years.
You really expressed your rational thoughts in your first line of your comment. Good for you o/
Then I would have sai😛 This article should be named "Is Kordak Crying?"
Im not sure if i should speak up when this is a congressional matter, but i will anyway. It can not be that complicated to have all the candidates in a list and vote on them. If no majority is achieved there can always be a second round with the most voted candidates. I guess this will bring people more together and removes the sense that some people have that they are being played. (valid or no)
Pretty much like cp or coc elections. Because im convinced maartenw is a highly qualified candidate i feel somewhat uncomfortable with the idea that he was undemocratically put forward as the only candidate.