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23:47 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] What about non CoT countries at war with TWO countries
23:47 akashapeke[SG] should we vote now?
23:47 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] or any oter alliance
23:47 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] for instance
23:47 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] other*
23:47 Hristodoulos cot is our enemy
23:47 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] everyone else is friend?
23:47 akashapeke[SG] i think our enemy is ourselves
23:47 Hristodoulos take a look topic on #two
23:47 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] Ocumo[VEN][MoFA]: we are in war with CoT now...if we find problems in MPPs with other countries we will see about that
23:47 hawkoulis[GR][vCP] it seems akashapeke[SG] solved any problems that we had
23:47 hawkoulis[GR][vCP] les go for sleep now
23:47 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] akashapeke[SG]: touche
23:47 hawkoulis[GR][vCP]
23:47 akashapeke[SG] when some countries prefers a non two country in front of a two country
23:48 akashapeke[SG] i think that sucks
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23:48 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] you hit right on the spot
23:48 akashapeke[SG] when some countries just tell what others want to listen
23:48 akashapeke[SG] just to become more friendly
23:48 Hristodoulos thats why we have COT , TWO, proCOT and proTWo countries why spain cant figure that???
23:48 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] akashapeke[SG]: So, just give my proposal on voting and let's end this sharade
23:48 akashapeke[SG] that has no benefit on the alliance
23:49 akashapeke[SG] ok lets vote
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23:49 akashapeke[SG] but this will be a circus
23:49 akashapeke[SG] its just my thoughts
23:49 Tim_Holtz[Aus][MoFA] i suggest we vote at another meeting, not enough people here atm
23:49 akashapeke[SG] the power game is not just in the hq
23:49 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] i agree Tim_Holtz[Aus][MoFA]
23:50 Mininuns[Latvia] akashapeke[SG], Spain's withdrawal from TWO is not only a matter of other TWO countries; it also includes Spain's congress
23:50 akashapeke[SG] yes it does
23:50 Mininuns[Latvia] and, I am not that sure that can be done, as Spain is a full member
23:50 Mininuns[Latvia] it makes no sense for me
23:50 akashapeke[SG] well it does for some people
23:50 Orinda[SLO][vCP] spain can put a public voting in their country any time
23:50 McAfee01[UK][MoFA] I would agree, but by the time we come to the next meeting we are going to be discussing this all over again
23:50 Orinda[SLO][vCP] governement can explain TWO thoughts to the public and they vote
23:50 akashapeke[SG] you are the first one that does not agree what spain is doing
23:51 Siddy[dSG] 2. Membership
23:51 Siddy[dSG] 2.2 can be terminated on
23:51 Siddy[dSG] 2.2.1 request of the Alliance Leadership
23:51 Siddy[dSG] 2.2.2 unanimous voting by the Country Presidents
23:51 Tim_Holtz[Aus][MoFA] i think Spain and Venezuela should hold off MPPing Chile until the vote is done too, just incase it passes
23:51 McAfee01[UK][MoFA] And we're going to be going around in circles again
23:51 Siddy[dSG] if Spain doesn't want to leave TWO
23:51 Siddy[dSG] it will take an unanimous voting by CPs
23:51 Orinda[SLO][vCP] unanimous?
23:51 Siddy[dSG] that's what the charter says
23:51 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] that includes spain vote
23:51 Thomas765 we'd reject it. Spain is, as much as what people claim, an integral part of the alliance
23:51 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] learn carefully
23:51 Thomas765 hell
23:51 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] read *
23:51 Thomas765 even our leadership is spanish
23:52 Orinda[SLO][vCP] i agree Thomas765
23:52 akashapeke[SG] well Thomas765 im talking about what i've seen as spanish cp
23:52 Orinda[SLO][vCP] but signing MPps with our enemy? c'mon
23:52 Rhual[R][HU][AL] akashapeke[SG] you represent now the alliance, dont let your feeling taken overwhelmed by your Spanish feelings and making premature decisions. Imo its not a topic about voting Spain out or not
23:52 akashapeke[SG] some countries prefering non two countries
23:52 akashapeke[SG] instead
23:52 Rhual[R][HU][AL] its started from some MPPs
23:52 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] Lets fix the MPP rules
23:52 Siddy[dSG] fact is
23:52 Thomas765 our enemy is Spain's ally.
23:52 Siddy[dSG] even if there was a MPP rulke
23:52 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] it would be easier
23:52 Thomas765 Argentina is not a member of the alliance
23:52 Siddy[dSG] what happens if spanish congress still signs MPPs with Chile?
23:52 akashapeke[SG] Rhual[R][HU][AL]: im just trying to make things easier
23:52 Thomas765 therefore we have no obligation to force Spain to do anything
23:53 McAfee01[UK][MoFA] Our position is clear. Spain has and always will remain an integral, important and a necessary component of the brotherhood of TWO.
23:53 Siddy[dSG] signing a MPP is not a matter of govt
23:53 akashapeke[SG] not just telling things on the back
23:53 McAfee01[UK][MoFA] Just as Thomas said
23:53 Siddy[dSG] if the spanish congres swants to sign that MPP, they'll sign it
23:53 akashapeke[SG] and having querys about it
23:53 akashapeke[SG] i want things clear
23:53 akashapeke[SG] thats all
23:53 Howly Spain shouldn't pretend its above TWO.
23:53 Thomas765 I'd have a problem with it if Argentina was a TWO member
23:53 Thomas765 but it's not
23:53 Tim_Holtz[Aus][MoFA] this problem can be solved easily, find a TWO member to attack chile
23:54 Thomas765 However
23:54 Thomas765 an issue had arisen last month
23:54 Thomas765 when RoC attacked Mexico
23:54 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] Siddy[dSG]: can you accept CUA? acan Spain officaly accept CUA..that can be your safety in case BR adn USA start making rpoblems
23:54 McAfee01[UK][MoFA] That doesn't solve the issue I'm afraid Tim, but rather bandage it up and kick it downfield
23:54 Siddy[dSG] HanibalLA{SRB][CP]:
23:54 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] Spain accpets CUA ?
23:55 Siddy[dSG] myself, I could (I'm half argentinean RL)
23:55 Tim_Holtz[Aus][MoFA] how so McAfee01[UK][MoFA] ? spain cannot ally with a country in a war with a TWO member
23:55 Siddy[dSG] Spanish population, would be like asking serbian population to accept Croatia
23:55 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] they were allies before the war though
23:55 Rhual[R][HU][AL] Two supports Argentina, a non TWO's country and Spanish enemy; Spain supports some CoT countries, TWO's enemy
23:55 Rhual[R][HU][AL] stalemate
23:55 Rhual[R][HU][AL] so
23:55 Rhual[R][HU][AL] go to sleep
23:55 Siddy[dSG] problem is
23:55 Siddy[dSG] even if Spanish Govt
23:55 McAfee01[UK][MoFA] Yes, but this isn't the issue itsef. Chile is just the catalyst
23:55 Siddy[dSG] agreed to cut it down
23:56 Siddy[dSG] spanish congress can just sign it
23:56 Siddy[dSG] and impeach Spanish govt, as the second placed candidate, Mininuns[Latvia], promised to sign MPP with Chile in his program
23:56 Rhual[R][HU][AL] 😁
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23:56 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] xD
23:56 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] Siddy[dSG]: I understand that...but now, whole TWO must go somewhere else jsut because of that...we all have to make some compromise for good of TWO, so, can you arange with your guys that this thing pass....
23:56 Mininuns[Latvia] we would get impeached if we did not
23:56 Mininuns[Latvia] that's something Siddy[dSG] said, and it is truth
23:56 Mininuns[Latvia] true* omg
23:57 Mininuns[Latvia] zZzZ
23:57 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] you said you personaly don't ahve anything against that...so, I think that should not be problem for ytou
23:57 Hristodoulos seems like that spain will be finaly part of COT
23:57 Hristodoulos
23:57 Hristodoulos very soon
23:57 Tim-Holtz so MPPing Chile is more important to spain than TWO?
23:57 Orinda[SLO][vCP] funny thing - before we started chatting about MPPs, I was warned - just wait when Spain will bring up again ''we can't controll congress''
23:57 Orinda[SLO][vCP] always the same reason
23:57 Hristodoulos that is reason for kidds
23:57 Hristodoulos we r not kidds
23:57 Hristodoulos and idiots
23:57 Hristodoulos we know what spain doing
23:57 Hristodoulos all time
23:57 Siddy[dSG] MPPing Chile doesn't risk TWO
23:58 McAfee01[UK][MoFA] Some nations have empowered congresses... its just the way their political culture is
23:58 Siddy[dSG] afaik
23:58 Orinda[SLO][vCP] ofc it does, Siddy[dSG]
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23:58 Hristodoulos siddy u fucking spain and fucking all alliance
23:58 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] So, why the hell we are talking about this crap, and whole time we have problem with one of Spain options want to sign MPP with Chile...
23:58 Siddy[dSG] Hristodoulos:
23:58 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] Let's end that now
23:58 Siddy[dSG] myself?
23:58 Hristodoulos yes
23:58 Siddy[dSG] I'm half argentinean RL
23:58 Siddy[dSG] I've been 3 times CP of Argentina
23:58 Tim-Holtz McAfee01[UK][MoFA] Australia has a strong congress, we would never MPP a nation enemy of our alliance though
23:58 Hristodoulos this is all ur master work
23:58 Thomas765 kick out Spain we lose Poland as well
23:58 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] let's firbid signing MPPs with CoT for all adn we won't have problems
23:58 hawkoulis[GR][vCP] Siddy[dSG] are you defending spain ?
23:58 Siddy[dSG] I'm not the most anti-argentinean guy out here
23:58 Siddy[dSG] tbh
23:58 Hristodoulos u want to destroy TWO and help COT and ROLA
23:58 Orinda[SLO][vCP] and? my mother is croat and my father is italian, and i'm fighting against them all the time
23:58 Hristodoulos i wont let ya
23:58 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] TWO doesnt need CUA my friend
23:59 Orinda[SLO][vCP] who the heck cares what you did in argentina
23:59 Orinda[SLO][vCP] it's what you are doing now
23:59 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] CUA needs TWO
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23:59 McAfee01[UK][MoFA] But that's Australia. Each congress is unique in both its strengths and weaknesses, sometimes even the orders of the cabinet can sometimes fall upon deaf ears
23:59 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA]
23:59 Siddy[dSG] it's what Spain does
23:59 McAfee01[UK][MoFA] Not all the times, but some
23:59 Hristodoulos i wont let ya siddy to destory alliance with 70 % overal damage
23:59 Hristodoulos so spain can go out
23:59 Hristodoulos argentina will take ur place
23:59 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] xD
23:59 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] you are a funny guy Hristodoulos
23:59 Hristodoulos if u say so
23:59 Rhual[R][HU][AL] okay guys, this meeting is nonesense anymore, so I suggest to continue it on another day
00:00 McAfee01[UK][MoFA] Hristodoulos: Please don't unnecessarily antagonise. It is not helpful
00:00 Siddy[dSG] Spain has no intent on leaving TWO
00:00 McAfee01[UK][MoFA]
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00:00 Hristodoulos u will be ejected
00:00 akashapeke[SG] yup
00:00 akashapeke[SG] end of this for today
00:00 Hristodoulos on voting
00:00 Siddy[dSG] propose it
00:00 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] You want ot make EDEN from TWO
00:00 McAfee01[UK][MoFA] Hristodoulos: Calm the rhetoric
00:00 Siddy[dSG] and try to get an unanimous vote
00:00 akashapeke[SG] if anyone wants a votation on that
00:00 Orinda[SLO][vCP] this is ridiciolus, Siddy[dSG]
00:00 akashapeke[SG] can propouse me on private
00:00 Siddy[dSG] this meeting will not advance anything
00:01 Orinda[SLO][vCP] 23:59 &Siddy[dSG] � and try to get an unanimous vote 00:01 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] Ocumo[VEN][MoFA]: the world was always bipolar..so now we have CoT adn on the other side us..call it whatever you want
00:01 Orinda[SLO][vCP] so stop using this advantage
00:01 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] I jsut want to Cot get fucked
00:01 Orinda[SLO][vCP] and stop signing MPPs with enemy alliance
00:01 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] adn we won't fuck them if we protect our asses and stop entire alliance in doing that
00:02 Siddy[dSG] if someone attacks Chile
00:02 Siddy[dSG] the MPP will be naturally broken
00:02 Siddy[dSG] so once that point is reached
00:02 Siddy[dSG] there will be no problem
00:02 Orinda[SLO][vCP] when someone attacks chile, you will be on other side
00:02 Orinda[SLO][vCP] if you have MPP signed with that 'someone'
00:02 hawkoulis[GR][vCP] lol
00:02 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] But if we want rules about MPP, lets put them on the alliance treaty
00:02 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] tSiddy[dSG]: hen you should attack them
00:03 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] end this sharade and prove you are willing to fight for TWO interests....
00:03 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] what happen is spain launches another AS to Argentina ?
00:03 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] if*
00:03 AntrikosA then they will lose most of their mpps
00:03 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] just a supposition
00:03 hawkoulis[GR][vCP] Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] plz
00:03 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] good but the question is
00:03 hawkoulis[GR][vCP] stop it
00:03 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] today we accepted proposal where is said...Howly: pls give us a part about members should declare they will gidht for TWO
00:03 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] who would you back up
00:04 hawkoulis[GR][vCP] Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] an AS without warning
00:04 hawkoulis[GR][vCP] ia action of madness
00:04 hawkoulis[GR][vCP] so plz
00:05 hawkoulis[GR][vCP] find something else if you want to play with "if"
00:05 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] guys, can I get a word about something else..I'll be as short as I can be..
00:05 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] guys, can I get a word about something else..I'll be as short as I can be..
00:05 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] guys, can I get a word about something else..I'll be as short as I can be..
00:05 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] guys, can I get a word about something else..I'll be as short as I can be..
00:05 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] and there are no rules about MPPs on the chart
00:05 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] why cant i sign with Chile then ?
00:05 Orinda[SLO][vCP] because it's the enemy
00:05 Orinda[SLO][vCP] for god sake
00:05 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] of who?
00:05 Orinda[SLO][vCP] wtf
00:05 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] did they attack SLo ?
00:06 AntrikosA Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] they are CoT, CoT isn't enemy? wtf?
00:06 Orinda[SLO][vCP] omfg
00:06 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] the chart rules are not clear about MPPs
00:06 hawkoulis[GR][vCP] Ocumo[VEN][MoFA]
00:06 Orinda[SLO][vCP] you are losing common sense Ocumo[VEN][MoFA]
00:06 Orinda[SLO][vCP] go to sleep please
00:06 HanibalLA{SRB][CP] Ocumo[VEN][MoFA]: then we will sign with other enemy and let them ruin you..is that ok? why the hell anybody wants to sign MPP with enemy
00:06 hawkoulis[GR][vCP] do you agree to help australia?
00:06 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] yes
00:06 Tim-Holtz Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] they occupied Australia for over a year
00:06 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] of course

00:06 Tim-Holtz Chile is an enemy of Australia
00:07 hawkoulis[GR][vCP] then how we ll manage to do it when chile ll fight against us?
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00:07 hawkoulis[GR][vCP] at a time zone that TWO is sleeping?
00:07 Ocumo[VEN][MoFA] Argentina is NZ friend then ?
00:07 Tim-Holtz NZ has no qualms with Argentina anymore










-Version en Español-
Después de la reunion, Chile manda un mpp a España y Siddy pide que se vote SI, sin haber tenido encuenta la opinion de TWO.

Parece ser que para España es mas importante algunos países que su propia alianza, esto es algo que por logica no deberia existir, si España no esta de acuerdo con TWO deberia ser honesta y decidir salirse de TWO y no ser un lastre para ellos.

Ahora se procedera hacer una votacion sobre si españa debe estar en TWO, para ello tienen que votar todo los paises que crearon la alianza y aceptar todos los países, la única amiga que le queda a España es UK.

Ya se ha pedido un impeach al SG de TWO akashapeke, estamos pendiente de la votacion.

... estara todo planeado por Siddy?


-English version-
After the meeting, Chile sent MPP to Spain and Siddy is asking the spanish congress to vote YES, without taking into consideration TWO's opinion

It seems Spain thinks that some countries are more important than its own alliance, this is something that logically should not be that way, if Spain does not agree with TWO, Spain should be honest and should decide to get out of TWO not being a burden for them.

It's going to be voted if Spain continues or not in TWO, it has to be voted by all the countries that created the alliance and accepted by all of them, the only friend left for Spain is UK

They already sent an impeachment against akashapeke, it's pending to be voted

... has it be all be planned by siddy?